Sony PlayStation 3

Also MGS and Final Fantasy to look forward to.

If Blu-Ray wins the battle, then Sony I think have really grabbed a winner.

Samsung Blu Ray player is launching in USA @ $999, but most will go with Sony which costs a little more. PS3 is $599 with Blu Ray so people will by that instead. With the HD push going on, we will see more people taking on HD video.
 
rockykabir said:
But do you not consider £550+ for a bundle to be an unprecedented issue? Did you get the impression that customers will be willing to spend so much on a console - or would they much prefer to spend that money on games itself?

I know most of my friends brought the PS2 because of GTA...but now that it is not an exclusive, that can make a huge difference. In fact, I will prob say that the GTA series is what made the PS2 so popular in the western market.
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I do find it to be an issue, but in all honesty I cant see it putting the fans off. And lets not forget the Sony fans outweigh the Nintendo and Microsoft fans. Ive found just as many people wanting to pre-order the console after the price announcement as there was before.

In terms of winning the nextgen war, it comes down to being successful in all the main territories. Thats why I believe Sony will walk it regardless of the price. Brand loyalty is very strong, and Sony still is seen as great quality.
If Microsoft had a better show in Japan it'd be totally different.
 
joystiq said:
PS3's rumored backcompat solution: a PS2 inside

"Sony guts!"

IGN has a story up citing Ultra One, a Japanese monthly tech magazine whose July issue reports that the PS3 will include the unified Emotion Engine/Graphic Synthesizer combo chip that currently resides in the slim-PS2 model, thus ensuring a high level of backwards compatibility. This is a change from their claim that the PS3 would use software to emulate older games, similar to the solution the Xbox 360 (still) employs. The key points of such a decision:

* It will increase the price of each unit; as the software solution approaches 100% compatibility, they will have the option of removing the hardware to cut costs.
* The PS3 could use a software / hardware combination to have even greater backwards compatibility than the PS2 slim currently enjoys.
* Will the system handle graphical upgrades -- similar to the 360's upsampling of older games -- if they use a hardware solution?

The good news is the system will support an incredible number of titles right out of the box; the bad news is this is just another component that may prohibit them from lowering the console's retail price quickly. Sony was awfully mum on the topic at E3, so this could explain why. Without a working emulator for launch, Sony may be presented with the unpalatable prospect of putting PlayStation 2s in their PlayStation 3s.
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source: http://www.joystiq.com/2006/06/05/ps3s-rumored-backcompat-solution-a-ps2-inside/
 
deftonesmx17 said:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32171
:lmao:
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After reading the article there alot of bs there. Not the figures, but the actual way the reporter has tried to talk about the figures.

No logic at all about the way he tries to explain stuff. The inquirer is getting bashed a lot lately, and I can see why. Also, isnt the slide from devstation back in March?
 
Adonis said:
After reading the article there alot of bs there. Not the figures, but the actual way the reporter has tried to talk about the figures.

No logic at all about the way he tries to explain stuff. The inquirer is getting bashed a lot lately, and I can see why. Also, isnt the slide from devstation back in March?
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Maybe I should have said to take it with a grain of salt considering who the source was, but that still doesnt excuse the numbers...........
 
deftonesmx17 said:
Maybe I should have said to take it with a grain of salt considering who the source was, but that still doesnt excuse the numbers...........
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but dont you think the numbers, even though correct, are very misleading by the way the comparison is done?

I wont get into a techno discussion as Im sure maybe a few of us would get it while others wouldnt understand.

But besides the comparison the so said quotes from developers is very much 'my mate said this' type of rubbish. I guess when the games come out we'll see if they had trouble.
 
Adonis said:
but dont you think the numbers, even though correct, are very misleading by the way the comparison is done?
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Yes, but I think even $ony is aware of the read rate mistake they have made. $ony are the ones who wrote (no this is not a typo...)

Had they left the ... off of the end it wouldnt seem like well, a big mistake.
 
Well stop it now Bumper, its not hard not to post, it takes physical excertion to post, so dont bother. Simple as. As I'm sure your Gran told you, if you cant say something good about someone, dont say anything at all.
 
ThomasGOAL said:
Very good news for the PS3, all Developers says the DVD is very very limited for next gen games.

French :
http://www.ps3-live.com/news-ps3/le...lent-des-differents-supports-de-stockage.html

Holland :
http://www.ps3focus.nl/sitee/nieuws/bekijk.php?id=1778&cat=catps3
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A little snipe at 360 there TG... I think thats BS to be honest, we arent getting anywhere near the size of Dual Layered DVD9's yet.... plus the 360 has a HD/DVD attachment so its all good....

Personally I think Blu Ray is to expensive and it will be too sensitive to accidental fingerprints and scratches...

DJ
 
djdoc360 said:
A little snipe at 360 there TG... I think thats BS to be honest, we arent getting anywhere near the size of Dual Layered DVD9's yet.... plus the 360 has a HD/DVD attachment so its all good....

Personally I think Blu Ray is to expensive and it will be too sensitive to accidental fingerprints and scratches...

DJ
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djdoc360, djdoc360, djdoc360...:roll:
i think you have a big problem with the PS3, try to listen why developers says about the DVD.
HD-DVD isn't for games ;)
for exemple Table Tennis = 7gb

PS: when i says a good news about PS3, i attack Xbox 360 ???
 
djdoc360 said:
A little snipe at 360 there TG... I think thats BS to be honest, we arent getting anywhere near the size of Dual Layered DVD9's yet.... plus the 360 has a HD/DVD attachment so its all good....

Personally I think Blu Ray is to expensive and it will be too sensitive to accidental fingerprints and scratches...

DJ
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ThomasGOAL said:
djdoc360, djdoc360, djdoc360...:roll:
i think you have a big problem with the PS3, try to listen why developers says about the DVD.
HD-DVD isn't for games ;)
for exemple Table Tennis = 7gb

PS: when i says a good news about PS3, i attack Xbox 360 ???
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Owned dj :lmao:
 
ThomasGOAL said:
djdoc360, djdoc360, djdoc360...:roll:
i think you have a big problem with the PS3, try to listen why developers says about the DVD.
HD-DVD isn't for games ;)
for exemple Table Tennis = 7gb

PS: when i says a good news about PS3, i attack Xbox 360 ???
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It's true though Thomas. You do love sniping at the 360. Anyhow if games become to big for DVD's then it's simple, put the games on 2 DVD's. Hardly detrimental is it.
 
Well its a problem when you open your disc tray and realise that only one dvd fits in at a time.
 
RuneEdge said:
Well its a problem when you open your disc tray and realise that only one dvd fits in at a time.
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:D

its true, but I actually agree with the 360 lovers regarding disc size. I cant see it being a problem, honestly. Sony percific games will definatly be awesome, but not that far from Microsofts best games.

It would be totally different if Konami made a PS3 percific version of PES/WE, maybe it would be the best version. But it wont happen.

One thing I'd like to know is what size MGS4 will be. If its not bigger than a dual layer dvd then you gotta start thinking about whether blu ray is really needed. By the time developers start to use blu ray fully I can imagine PS4 being ready, complete with digital distribution for its games.
 
Adonis said:
:D

its true, but I actually agree with the 360 lovers regarding disc size. I cant see it being a problem, honestly. Sony percific games will definatly be awesome, but not that far from Microsofts best games.

It would be totally different if Konami made a PS3 percific version of PES/WE, maybe it would be the best version. But it wont happen.

One thing I'd like to know is what size MGS4 will be. If its not bigger than a dual layer dvd then you gotta start thinking about whether blu ray is really needed. By the time developers start to use blu ray fully I can imagine PS4 being ready, complete with digital distribution for its games.
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I'm not a 360 lover. Just stating the obvious.
 
JayD said:
I'm not a 360 lover. Just stating the obvious.
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it was directed at you mate, and I used the term to give the group of people I was talking about a name. nothing offensive.

btw theres post on gamesindustry.biz regarding the inquirer's news post about how 'broken' the PS3 is:

GamesIndustryBiz said:
Senior developers working on PlayStation 3 titles have told GamesIndustry.biz that reports of serious problems with the system's Cell and RSX hardware are "misleading and uninformed."

Earlier this week, technology news site The Inquirer reported that the PS3 was "slow and broken", with a correspondent for the site claiming that massive flaws with the console's hardware mean that it is "hobbled" compared to Microsoft's Xbox 360.

The site based its assertions on a claim that the NVIDIA-designed RSX graphics unit has a slower triangle setup rate than the ATI-designed part in the Xbox 360, and on a slide from Sony's Devstation event a few months back showing the memory access speeds within the console.

However, speaking to GamesIndustry.biz this week, several developers who are familiar with the PS3 hardware have rubbished the claims made by The Inquirer - describing both sets of figures as "entirely meaningless."

Although our sources declined to be named due to the continuing secretive and NDA-laden nature of PlayStation 3 development, they were unanimous in claiming that the figures, while they may well be true, have been grossly misinterpreted.

The contentious triangle setup figure, which The Inquirer claims to be 270 million triangles per second, compared to around 500 million per second in the Xbox, came under fire first.

"It's just a pointless measurement," one programmer told us. "Where's the context? How were these numbers measured? There are loads of different ways you can measure tri performance, and just putting up headline figures like that tells you nothing."

"In fact, the PlayStation 2 had better tri performance than the Xbox, on paper," he continued. "Everyone knows that the Xbox was more powerful at running real games, but if you just wanted to fill a screen with 2D, flat colour, unlit triangles, then the PS2 was much better at that, so it looked great in benchmarks. That just shows how meaningless this measurement is - it's really pointless."

However, particular scorn was heaped upon the claim that the Cell is being "hobbled" by slow memory access - based on a Devstation slide which shows Cell having only 16Mb/s read access to "Local Memory", compared to the 10-25Gb/s access figures for other component and memory types in the PS3.

"They've got the wrong end of the stick grasped firmly in both hands," said another source regarding this claim. "I'm not even sure if they're holding the right stick."

Each developer concurred that the slide in question was referring to local memory on the RSX - the graphics memory, in other words, and not the local memory on the Cell processor which The Inquirer claimed was in question.

"I didn't see that slide at Devstation, but all the numbers add up," one coder said, "and it's a total non-issue. You never, ever need to access that memory from the Cell - I can think of some useful debugging things you might do with that access in the testing stage, but that's about it. In fact, on the PS2 you couldn't access that memory from the CPU at all, and it was never really a problem!"

"I can see a couple of reasons why you might want to use it," another developer told us, "but really, they're pretty obscure, and you could probably do them on the RSX anyway, since it's quite flexible. Besides, if you really need to access video memory from the Cell, you can use the RSX to copy it over into main memory really quickly - it's all there on the slide."

"I doubt a single person in the room batted an eyelid when they showed that slide," continued the first source. "It's exactly what we'd expect, and the bits that we actually need to use to make games are perfectly fast."

While dismissing The Inquirer's claims as entirely spurious - and pointing out that even if they were true, they would be flaws so serious that Sony would simply not be able to release the Cell chip in that state - at least one of our sources admitted that PS3 was taking some time to get used to, but perhaps not as much as some parts of the media have suggested.

"I'd say PS3 was a challenge to work on," he said, "but every new platform takes a while to get used to. Put it like this, I worked on early PS2 games, and those were a real nightmare - we're getting code up and running on PS3 much faster than we did last time around."

"Once people start doing really impressive stuff on PS3 and Xbox 360, they're both going to be much the same [in terms of difficulty]," he concluded. "Sony's giving us better tools this time around - they're still not great at communicating and there are some weird holes in their developer support, but they've learned a lot of lessons from PS2."
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Says what I wanted to explain in a very understandable way.
 
Blu-Ray does stop piracy for a few years until Blu-Ray wirters get cheap, and get hacked (if).

XBox360 is already hacked, you can play copied games, bad news for the industry.
 
ashmufc said:
Blu-Ray does stop piracy for a few years until Blu-Ray wirters get cheap, and get hacked (if).

XBox360 is already hacked, you can play copied games, bad news for the industry.
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Yes... but are you going to go to the great lengths to hack the 360? especially with the risk of bricking your DVD Drive and having a useless 360??

I dont think so. Owned ASHMUFC :):)

Also do you honestly believe the guff that the HD/DVD drive isnt going to be used for games? I dont they will use it for games im pretty sure of it! They would be rather stupid not to.

TG = The biggest PS3 Fanboy going so of course he snipes at 360 and takes the piss out of anyone who has a snipe at his beloved PS3. I get a feeling he works for Sony's Marketing Campaign.......

DJ
 
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djdoc360 said:
Also do you honestly believe the guff that the HD/DVD drive isnt going to be used for games? I dont they will use it for games im pretty sure of it! They would be rather stupid not to.
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Are you saying: "Do you honestly think that HD-DVD addon won't be used for games? I don't think they will use it."

Yeah and? contracdiction?

not having a go at you, jsut don't understand what you are saying.
 
What im saying is I think they WILL use it for games and would be stupid not to!!! if you read what I wrote with a bit of haste and less speed you would have understood it.....

DJ
 
MS will definitely not use the HD-DVD drive for games. End of. It will be a silly move to abandon the existing customer base - look at the Mega CD for example. MS had even suggested that they might release a Bluray drive if that succeeds in the Hidef battle....it's all about flexibility.

Jumbo is right....TGS Tokyo is gonna be interesting (although everyone was saying the same about E32006 coming upto May).

Betamax was miles better than VHS but for one reason or the other, it didn't do as well :eh:. Sony has to play this right if they want to succeed - however, they have gotten a huge advantage with many movie companies signing up.

During times of increasing personal debt and loan repayments, price is a huge factor to the average person - hence why it is a big issue. The UK government, for example, is trying to curb down on the number of credit cards people sign up to. Thankfully, people are beginning to go back to old ways on spending money that they have than what they don't have.

The PS3 may have the greatest graphics ever. It may be the most powerful machine (although I still think it wouldn't be amazingly significant over the 360) - but what matters most is whether people will buy it in the long run. And as we saw with Betamax, the best device doesn't always win.
 
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Adonis said:
Sony percific games will......

It would be totally different if Konami made a PS3 percific version.....
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:shock: :shock: :shock:

For all of our foreign friends on the forum trying to learn English, what Adonis is trying to say/spell is...

"Specific"

Class dismissed.
 
djdoc360 said:
Yes... but are you going to go to the great lengths to hack the 360? especially with the risk of bricking your DVD Drive and having a useless 360??

I dont think so. Owned ASHMUFC :):)

Also do you honestly believe the guff that the HD/DVD drive isnt going to be used for games? I dont they will use it for games im pretty sure of it! They would be rather stupid not to.

TG = The biggest PS3 Fanboy going so of course he snipes at 360 and takes the piss out of anyone who has a snipe at his beloved PS3. I get a feeling he works for Sony's Marketing Campaign.......

DJ
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"Great lengths?" Yeah, because flashing a DVD drive involves hours of work. :roll: It's not hard to do, and there will be plenty of folk willing to give it a shot. The Dashboard update hasn't stopped it either, unless there is some kind of waiting period before it's going to kick in. You can play backups on Live just now, and when they eventually stop that from happening, many will buy a second 360 for their Live play - loads of folk did this with the original Xbox.

As for TG he's excited about the PS3, what's the problem? No need for personal sniping on here.
 
djdoc360 said:
I dont think so. Owned ASHMUFC :):)
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djdoc360 said:
if you read what I wrote with a bit of haste and less speed you would have understood it.....
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The glasses that you're wearing in your avatar are giving you a serious ego-problem mate. Do us all a favour and take them off. This is a PS3 thread.
 
rockykabir said:
Betamax was miles better than VHS but for one reason or the other, it didn't do as well :eh:. Sony has to play this right if they want to succeed - however, they have gotten a huge advantage with many movie companies signing up.
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It was the porn industry, they choose vhs as it was cheaper, and because of that vhs won the battle. Read it somewhere regarding the upcoming hd/bd war compared to the vhs/beta one. If i remember correctly the porn industry has chosen bd as their new format.
 
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