I have decided that realism is not good for football games. Excitement is good. Realism in some aspects of the gameplay is good but remember a 90minute football match is often 80mins filler 10mins highlights. What a footy video game needs to be is like a highlights show. Especially for the casual gamer who plays 10minute games. End to end stuff with many chances. This is what made PES great back in the day.

I experimented a bunch of old footy games up til now. ANd what stood out to me that made games exciting was.

1. Ability to create chances somewhat easily but with variety and not always in same manner, though not always score, preferablly keeper punches out or goes for corner rather than catch
2. Time it takes to create chances i.e. how often and how quick you can get up pitch via dribbling or passing
3. Various methods that work in attacking build up either fast dribblers, pinpoint long balls, through balls or short fast 1-2s etc.
4. The number of chances you can create per game (many chances but great gk is more fun than low chances and poor gks)
5. The ability to score various kind off goals, from various angles and distances
6. The goals scored per game. Obviosuly high scoring can be more exciting but also well created goals and amazing shots etc..sometimes a touch of OTT is good in this regard.
7. Being able to beat players. It causes exictement when you beat opponents by dribbling.
8. Ability to pass and open space. Pass ball around and gaps appear or long ball swithc wings and player is lots of space on that side of pitch..this is exciting.

I know this is a ps3/xbox360 section but if everyone is like myself they read this one more than the pc as there seems to be more of you discussing pes2012 on here.

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Hey Guys

Been playing pes 2012 since xmas and i just cant get a formation sorted. MY players are always way to far apart and i cant string passes together or tackle anybody! Shooting wise ive sort of got it cracked but headers just confuse me, the amount of times ive sent a ball into the box and had an unmarked player just totally miss the ball is unreal! Can people please give me a hand with a decent formation and tactical set up to get me on my way. Any help will be greatly appriciated!

Thanks

I was playing with my mate the other day PES 2012 in my place, as usual.. and well I can't say it is perfect, but it's quite good..

It happens to me that everytime when I get the newest version i completely abandon the previous one, I bet I'm not the only one who does this, right?

Well, for the ps3 I still have PES 2009 to 2012, and we tried to played the older games, Jesus.. that was something else.
Here is my review:

PES 2009:
*Absolute horrid graphics, players look like they were made of wax.
*Stadium atmosphere is really crappy.
*Player movement feels so.. stiff? you can barely move with them, let's not even talk about dribbling.
*Shooting is relatively good, passes are good, as long as they're are not through passes.. they seem to be even shorter than regular passes (wtf)
*The rosters for that season it's what we loved the most, as Barca had Etoo, Henry, Marquez, etc; Madrid had Raul, Robben, RVN, etc. well, you know..
*I just can´t understand how was i having fun with this game 3 years ago..
*I can remember I played several BAL & ML seasons.. i even checked my saved games! was I that simple back then?
*We couldnt even bother playing more than 2 matches, actually we were suffering in the process.
*And the menus, oh the menus.. they are really unfriendly and plain lazy from Konami

PES 2010:
*from the moment the main screen comes out, made me remember how excited I was when I first downloaded the 2010 demo, you know.. the one with Torres & Messi on it.
*In this game the crappyness of the menus is legenday, absolute rubish.
*The lighnig in the pitch looks really strange and players kinda look like zombies.
*It definitely plays better than 2009, but it's not a masterpiece.
*I did also checked my ML & BAL saves.. haha i was weird back then, my player had really weird hair and had been a Vieri-like mercenary.
*The soundtrack on this game is really really good tho.

PES 2011:
*I know i stopped playing recently (november?), but when i saw the menu (which looks pretty much like 2012's), good times came to my mind.
*we played a libertadores match on a sunny day and the atmosphere was just amazing. we even changed the camera to broadcast view and admire every play we did playig 2vs cpu.
*this is what a football game should be.
*we loaded my ML save and played a couple of games.. eventho my ML team was able to destroy every competition by then.
*and we got online to see my MLO team.. and then i remembered why did I spent that much time playing it: absolutely wonderful!
*I know there are some lag issues and most of the people are Speed Merchant bitches online, but the player maneuverability is superb. With Pastore, Mata and Eding being my attacking trio, i can cause madness in any defense.
*Defending is quite easier compared to 2012, but it feels strong in that department.
*Shots can be placed pretty much anywhere you intend to, of course depending of your player capabilities, momentum, position, etc.
*Well this was a solid solid game, sure there are minor flaws but I really loved it.

So, even if 2012 looks amazing, plays really well, has a lot more stuff in it, etc.. i still think it's broken but it's not unplayable.
What i dislike about it is the CPU ability to dribble like if every attacker was Messi and defend like if they were 1-0 up in the last 10 minutes of a WC final.
for me, it just lost that randomness that made 2011 (and PS2 versions) better.

well, this is not a pes2012 rant.
I'll just suggest you to play pes2011 if you've still got it over there and fall in love again with beautiful football


it would be nice to read your reviews of the older PS3 PES games..


well pals, sorry for my bad english!
cheers!

For some reason my formations keep changing during matches. At the bottom left buttons are popping up. But im not activating these. Itd doing it all by it self. It only happens in masterleague.

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