The Retro-PES Corner

Discussion in 'Pro Evolution Soccer' started by miguelfcp, 19 April 2018.

  1. WhoAteMeDinner

    WhoAteMeDinner PES Puritan

    28 April 2018
    Gents, can PSP PES games really be as good as PlayStation Two original versions ? Given it the PS2 game engine ? Maybe the pick up and play nature of the portable game just is a nice pace change ?

    Oh and way back, @MafiaMurderBag , Soccer America International looks amazing for that time, as dynamic as PES 3. Only almost too much movement, the camera seems to jerk around each time a player receives a pass. You would be puking up after a couple of hours play for sure.
     
  2. goalgerd

    goalgerd File Maker

    30 July 2006
    dublin, eire
    Ringsend Rovers


    im playing pes2013 psp on my phone and it works really well as a quick game to pick up and play
     
  3. jajabinx35

    jajabinx35 Non-League

    21 October 2018
    Why not pes 2014? (I know it's not much of a difference), but that's the last release of the classic pes games.

    @WhoAteMeDinner

    Pes PSP is pretty much the same apart from the graphics as it's downscaled (e.g. The crowd sprites are static). And I think it runs on 30fps, but is playable.

    I've moved on from playing it on the psp to my android phone (I have the Asus ROG phone, which makes it very playable with the l and r triggers it offers). Through emulation, the graphics are very sharpened.

    Also here's a latest update to my 1989 mod:

    In total 44 teams out of 128 have been retro'd....that doesn't include the international teams (what do you guys say, should I include international kits from the 80's?)

    The other day I was considering maybe to find someone to do the commentary for the game as I have managed to rip the audio file, this makes it possible to attempt making realistic commentary over the Oxford English jon champion provides but this itself would be a big project (not to mention Jim beglin also has lines in the game) and there are countless audio files to go through. There's two ways of doing, it can be possible to only record the main commentary. Or record the main commentary and the player names (which will have to be players from the 80's and this is where it would be a massive project)

    Anyhoo, am keeping a pace of doing one team per day and on the weekends trying to do at least 6. If I keep up with this pattern, I expect the kits to be done by 15 weeks (have added in contingencies). After this, the next steps would be to edit the rosters (through a hex hack)...then it will be ready for beta testing.
     
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  4. WhoAteMeDinner

    WhoAteMeDinner PES Puritan

    28 April 2018
    @jajabinx35 , after you have completed that little bit of foofery and faffery.
    I hear a cathedral in Paris needs a bit of roofing done or maybe outdo that bloke who played Civ II for a teeny ten years to see a global environmental hell take shape.

    :SHOCK::)):SHOCK:
     
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  5. Titch

    Titch Premiership

    4 October 2004
    @jajabinx35 That would be so much work. If you can do an impression of Motty you're good to go :)
     
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  6. mattmid

    mattmid Champions League

    15 December 2011
    Yes and just record some snoring over Beglin's comments as that'll be less repetitive!
     
  7. jajabinx35

    jajabinx35 Non-League

    21 October 2018
    Lol that made me laugh
     
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  8. Titch

    Titch Premiership

    4 October 2004
    You could even ditch the co-commentator in favour of more comments by the main commentator.
    Don't think I've ever heard commentary in a football game that sounded like actual commentary in a real game.
     
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  9. WhoAteMeDinner

    WhoAteMeDinner PES Puritan

    28 April 2018
    I really think that Kelsen (aka the poor man's panther), would have saved that Kompany shot last night.

    :CONFUSE::CONFUSE::CONFUSE:
     
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  10. jajabinx35

    jajabinx35 Non-League

    21 October 2018
    Anyone want to take a chance with the commentary? I'll post back soon to really find out the number of audio files involved.

    I hate the sound of my own voice lol. Might even come back in the future to work on the commentary
     
  11. mattmid

    mattmid Champions League

    15 December 2011
    If it's anything like the regular pes's there'll be thousands. I've looked through pes6 before and for most things there's 5 different variations of the same thing, such as hits in a low cross, sends it in low, crosses on the floor, a low cross, drives it in low - all variatiosn for a low cross, and so on. I guess as it's a handheld there would be less though?

    There's a couple of good computer voices online but the trouble is there's no context to their speech, it's just a normal spoken word. It would probably work fine for player names but anything where there's a bit of excitement in the voice in the real commentary would sound flat and lifeless.

    @WhoAteMeDinner I know Zamenhof wouldn't have :LOL: That's if he was even available to play. Really pleased it was Kompany that got it, seems a real nice bloke and deserves that moment.
     
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  12. WhoAteMeDinner

    WhoAteMeDinner PES Puritan

    28 April 2018
    @mattmid , yeh Kompany is a real leader and an old shool pro. Like a Paul McGrath or a Steve Bruce.
     
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  13. miguelfcp

    miguelfcp WYL | Porto

    27 June 2009
    @WhoAteMeDinner: I know I can't pull you away from your dear PS2, but if you set up a PC PSP emulator and play a PSP PES game, you'll see why I always say it's one of the best retro-PES experiences - you could try it on an actual PSP, but both the smaller screen and the dreadful "analog" "stick" (more like, sliding thingy that's as unergonomic as it gets) could hinder your experience with it.

    Oh, and Ivarov would totally save Kompany's shot, but on the next play he'd let in a much simpler shot. :DD

    @jajabinx35: I have thought about undertaking such a project, despite how much work it'd take. I can't help you with english commentary as my spoken english isn't quite as good as that (yet), but one day I'll certainly come up with my portuguese commentary for a PES game.
     
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  14. jajabinx35

    jajabinx35 Non-League

    21 October 2018
    Well, there is a Portuguese commentary in the version I'm modifying lol. Will look back on this as the mod progresses
     
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  15. amartingil

    amartingil League 1

    20 September 2016
    Hi everyone! After reading @miguelfcp articles in retropes website, and after viewing some @MafiaMurderBag videos.
    I decided go back to PES 6 and start a ML a few months ago. Nice choice after being annoyed with PES 2019 this season. I've had really exciting retro moments. I will share a goal compilation soon.
    Go on with RetroPes, guys!
     
  16. jajabinx35

    jajabinx35 Non-League

    21 October 2018
    Aaaand yep, it's a huge project. - There are just over 6000 audio files. Sadly, they are all mixed (so I can't really locate the main commentary and leave out the players name).

    Still might look into this though in the future. - Would be fun to do.
     
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  17. Titch

    Titch Premiership

    4 October 2004
    There are actually lines in the game I've never heard before. I'm sure I remember reading about one where Brackley and Brooking start arguing or something.
     
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  18. Madmac79

    Madmac79 Premiership

    11 September 2006
    Liverpool's victory does have a taste of retro-Pes.. doesn't it? Back in the days, big comebacks didn't feel scripted!
     
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  19. mattmid

    mattmid Champions League

    15 December 2011
    @Titch I'm convinced I still occasionally hear a line I haven't heard before.
     
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  20. loco

    loco Schaduwspits

    12 December 2002
    Dreamland
    I thoroughly enjoyed the beating Suarez took today.
     
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  21. WhoAteMeDinner

    WhoAteMeDinner PES Puritan

    28 April 2018
    It sure did @Madmac79 , PES 3 again was legendary for completely random comebacks and you could never anticipate whether any ML league game would be scoreless draw slug out or a crazy goal bonanza.

    And btw, has anyone ever got one of their centre-backs in PES-retro games
    to blast in an outside the box screamer like Vincent Kompany did ?

    That is what makes the old PES games so great, they were often even tougher than reality in terms of difficulty.

    Oh and using Der Kaiser as a central defender does not count.....

    :NONO::NONO::NONO:
     
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  22. WhoAteMeDinner

    WhoAteMeDinner PES Puritan

    28 April 2018

    Thanks miggy mate.
     
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  23. WhoAteMeDinner

    WhoAteMeDinner PES Puritan

    28 April 2018
    :OT:

    Guys, have a thought for our British Retro-PES comrades this week. In particular poor old @mattmid .
    How is his mattness expected to fuel up the Matt Maserati for an epic five and a half our journey to Sunderland (at max speed), when yet another royal baby has appeared on the blue blood welfare benefits scene ? The British public financial burden is massive as all these royal types live to about 120 these days.

    Poor guys, they could at least call the baby Wayne.

    :SHOCK::SHOCK::SHOCK:
     
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  24. MafiaMurderBag

    MafiaMurderBag Purist

    3 November 2009
    England
    Liverpool FC
    Welcome to The Retro Corner! Always nice to have another fellow gamer recognize that games don't have expiry dates and that great games are timeless.
     
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  25. mattmid

    mattmid Champions League

    15 December 2011
    :SHHH::SHHH:
    He's going to be watching it on Sky instead! Heresy perhaps but needs must.:SHHH:
     
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  26. miguelfcp

    miguelfcp WYL | Porto

    27 June 2009
  27. amartingil

    amartingil League 1

    20 September 2016
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  28. WhoAteMeDinner

    WhoAteMeDinner PES Puritan

    28 April 2018
  29. WhoAteMeDinner

    WhoAteMeDinner PES Puritan

    28 April 2018
    @mattmid, mate, you would almost think that was the plan with scheduling all the EFL playoffs at "telly time" in the late evening instead of football fan time in the afternoon.

    But surely not, I mean it's not like Sky have ever done anything underhand before like say, hacking a broadcast competitors set-top box and publishing the hacked access codes on the web.

    Get ready for the EFL playoffs next season taking place in Qatar.

    :shiver::shiver::shiver:
     
  30. MafiaMurderBag

    MafiaMurderBag Purist

    3 November 2009
    England
    Liverpool FC
    Some more fantastic articles Miguel. I must've missed Matt's post about the form arrows, it's a novel concept and can't believe i never thought of doing it myself and i may do so on my next session. I would usually pick players based on their stats even if i knew they were on blue or grey, and take them off if they were truly struggling or fatiguing rapidly during a game.

    As from my logic, sometimes you've just got to give a star player the preferential treatment as even if their on a grey arrow, it's still counterbalanced by being a phenomenal & influential player generally.

    It's like sending a still pissed from the night before George Best onto or shoving a coked up Maradonna out the player tunnel. Even when it's immoral and their inebriated, They're still from another planet and it's the best hope you've got.

    How many goals can we submit? We need some ground rules!

    Oh and 50c for PES 3? Staggering value, It's the incredible win-win incentive of retro gaming, not only retro football. Fantastic experiences, incredible games that stand the test of time and will go down in history as the mediums greatest pieces of art, at an arguably unreasonable cheap price. Even the PS3, the previous generations mainstream platform which would be considered "old" by the contemporary snobs and spoiled brats has some titles with a legendary legacy yet because "no one" plays with it anymore, the games are cheaper than a pint of beer.

    Yet people feel obligated to hand over £100 for a deluxe version of a game or you're at a handicap online on launch day and still complain their game is a piece of shit...
     
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