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World Cup 2006 Draw/Groups

Discussion in 'Football' started by Professor Nutmeg, 6 December 2005.

  1. Professor Nutmeg

    Professor Nutmeg ML Fanatic

    3 July 2002
    Master League
    POT ONE
    Germany (hosts)
    Brazil (holders)
    Argentina
    England
    France
    Italy
    Mexico
    Spain

    POT TWO
    Australia
    Angola
    Ghana
    Ivory Coast
    Togo
    Tunisia
    Ecuador
    Paraguay

    POT THREE
    Croatia
    Czech Republic
    Netherlands
    Poland
    Portugal
    Sweden
    Switzerland
    Ukraine

    POT FOUR
    Iran
    Japan
    Saudi Arabia
    South Korea
    Costa Rica
    Trinidad & Tobago
    USA
    Special pot: Sebria & Montenegro
     
    Last edited: 9 December 2005
  2. Alien_

    Alien_ League 2

    31 July 2003
    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    "special pot" ? what's that about ?
     
  3. Professor Nutmeg

    Professor Nutmeg ML Fanatic

    3 July 2002
    Master League
    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    They're "special" :mrgreen:

    I'm betting England get Australia in their group. Just a feeling.
     
  4. joostebrood

    joostebrood Premiership

    4 March 2002
    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    Isn't it better to swap the pots 2 and 3? It doesn't seem logical to me.
     
  5. fd1972uk

    fd1972uk ---------------------

    9 January 2002
    Glasgow
    Celtic
    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    Yep, was confused there too. :shock: Does that mean that some group will have 5 teams?

    England's group will be as follows, guaranteed:-


    England
    Tunisia
    Poland (they seem to be joined at the hip, not sure if it's allowed tho, so if not the Swiss)
    Cost Rica.


    FD
     
  6. Cloud1863

    Cloud1863 Premiership

    10 December 2004
    Stoke City
    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    The pot I would hope for:
    England
    Angola
    Switzerland
    Trinidad & Tobago

    Our Group Of Death:
    England
    Australia
    Netherlands
    South Korea
     
  7. Professor Nutmeg

    Professor Nutmeg ML Fanatic

    3 July 2002
    Master League
    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    That doesn't matter here. What matters are the teams within the pots, if you know what i mean.

    Under the seeding system used by Fifa, England came out second to Brazil and Italy narrowly beat the US into eighth.
    Fifa's ranking co-efficient meant that performances at the 2002 World Cup, when England reached the quarter-finals, were given twice as much weight as at 1998.
    They also took into account a country's world ranking over the last three years.

    SEEDINGS TABLE
    Brazil 64
    England 51
    Spain 50
    Germany 48
    Mexico 47
    France 46
    Argentina 44
    Italy 44

    Friday's draw will work in the following way:
    The eight seeded teams will be drawn into eight different groups. Germany have already been allocated Group A and Brazil Group F.

    Eight unseeded European sides will be drawn into the eight different groups.

    The lowest-ranked European side Serbia and Montenegro will be allocated to one of the groups containing either Brazil, Argentina or Mexico to ensure there is no more than two European sides in any group.

    A pot of the five African countries, Australia and the two remaining South American sides drawn into eight different groups.

    A pot containing the four Asian countries, the USA, Costa Rica and Trinidad drawn into seven different groups.
     
  8. ThomasGOAL

    ThomasGOAL Retired Footballer

    15 March 2003
    France
    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    Cloudl1863 hope :
    Switzerland (not easy i think Poland more easy than Switzerland)

    Cloudl1863 Group Of Death :
    Australia (Ivory Coast better)
     
  9. joostebrood

    joostebrood Premiership

    4 March 2002
    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    I know it doesn't really matter indeed, it just is weird.

    Anyway, a shame we're not in pot 1, but I guess the country that will draw us from group 1 will also regret the fact we're in group 2 (I'm Dutch btw).
     
  10. ezio

    ezio League 2

    6 August 2003
    New Jersey
    AS Roma
    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    I think it is because Fifa changed things again and now it is by Geography instead of previous rankings for the rest of the pots.

    Ezio
     
  11. gerd

    gerd Retired Footballer

    8 January 2002
    Over the moon
    KRC Genk, Spurs
    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    Joost is right Holland deserve to be in pot 1 (more than Germany).
    Well that WC will be another disaster for favourites...that's one thing for sure...i hope for a final between Togo and Angola (which is rather impossible, but there will be surpises...).
     
  12. fd1972uk

    fd1972uk ---------------------

    9 January 2002
    Glasgow
    Celtic
    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    Disagree totally, although I was hoping England would be in Pot 2 :mrgreen: it was clear due to their record that they deserved to be there more than Holland, just as the others do, although Germany haven't been in the best of shape, they always seem to do well no matter what anyone says.


    FD
     
  13. Alien_

    Alien_ League 2

    31 July 2003
    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    well germany is the host nation so they don't have to deserve it :mrgreen: (and a world cup final in 2002 ain't enough for you ?, i'd say there's only one team that did better :D ), they could be the worst team in the world they'd still be seeded

    well anyway it's quite logical that teams that didn't even qualify in 2002 aren't seeded, but of course the 8 seeded will rarely be the 8 best teams
     
  14. pk9

    pk9 Did you Say BOOTS - Pk

    9 January 2004
    in the boots thread
    Lille, de oranje!
    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    wot happened to the oranje, pot 3 ahh welll bring em on anybody that is! apart from brazil in the semi's or quarters
     
  15. ghazi

    ghazi Guest

    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    It's frustrating seeing Mexico own a seed when the US has only lost to them once in the last 10 games, but the US kinda screwed itself with its '98 performance and by not accepting an invite to the Copa America.

    I can live with the seedings. I actually like the chances of playing v Germany, Italy, France or Spain.

    What i DO NOT like is this geographic sanitization occuring in the groupings. What the hell is that all about. Geography is catered to and addressed in the qualification process. After that, the groups should be drawn randomly without regard to geography.

    They shouldnt sacrifice the balance of the competition on something as random as a location.

    We'll see what happens on Friday.
     
  16. rexrex

    rexrex Conference

    17 June 2005
    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    I agree there, totally.
     
  17. Professor Nutmeg

    Professor Nutmeg ML Fanatic

    3 July 2002
    Master League
    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    Absolutely, Pot 3 has some tricky teams. Netherlands, Portugal, Czech Republic, Switzerland...
     
  18. JayM

    JayM International

    17 April 2004
    North Yorkshire
    Celtic
    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    I hate this seeding stuff, just draw the random names out of a hat, would be much better.

    This is just designed to ensure teams of a higher standard (in FIFA's opinion) get through to the final whatever it is.
     
  19. ghazi

    ghazi Guest

    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    But, really, they haven't done that.

    What they HAVE done is essentially favor the European countries by requiring them play TWO teams from weaker pots.

    Meanwhile, the US, who's ranked top 10 for years now and missed being a seed by one point, is forced to play TWO European teams and NO Asian teams. . . merely because of its geography.

    For a team ranked as high as the US, it seems rather unfair.
     
  20. ghazi

    ghazi Guest

    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    Yes. . i am American :mrgreen:
     
  21. Rentalkid

    Rentalkid Premiership

    5 August 2003
    Germany
    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    Absolutely wrong.
    They do this to ensure a successfull and highly attended world cup, from group stage to final.
    How would any nation (despite theirs of course) sell out any games in a group consitsting of Angola, Trinidad, South Korea and Iran for example?

    It's way better how it is considering even now there are already enough weak pairings in the World cup predestined.
    I agree that continental seeding stuff ist just plain stupid. The US and South Korea should be in Pot 3 with the remaining strong European sides, replacing Ukraine and Switzerland, both countries that don't even make it to the Cup regularly.
     
  22. ss4_goku

    ss4_goku Premiership

    26 May 2004
    Hong Kong / Toronto
    Man Utd
    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    FIFA wants to use this to ensure that every geographical location will be put apart and can play other teams from different continents....would suck totally if all the Asian teams are put into a pot...i mean, what's the point of the WORLD cup then? lolz

    But i definitly do agree that if they put the pots in order of seeding, and then after that, ensure that only one from each continent (with UEFA being exception), is in the group.....then that would be more "fair" in terms of standing and geography
     
  23. denirobob

    denirobob IBERIAN PRIMERA

    28 June 2002
    Henley, Oxfordshire
    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    Hello mate

    long time no speak!

    The geographical thing was in place in 2002 and as far as i can recall previous tournaments before that, although I agree with what youre saying.

    The weird thing in 2002 was that essentially the World Cup was two seperate 16 team tournaments with the final the only time the two sets of 16 sides mixed (due to two nation hosting) - I think it's diffrent this time although would need to check on fifa's site. They also scrapped the rule about teams who qualifiyed in same group being kept apart, and unless that's been changed back, then England could get Poland for instance which i dont really agree with.

    db

    ps - is that you and your bro in your avatar mate ?
     
  24. fd1972uk

    fd1972uk ---------------------

    9 January 2002
    Glasgow
    Celtic
    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    No, that's his pimp. :mrgreen:

    I do kinda agree, but as someone already said if a whole group of 1 continent or at least the majority came out together it would be pretty naff.

    Although I ain't overly clued up in the African teams, the tournament doesn't seem to have me thinking it's as glamorous with the like of Cameroon, S.Africa and Nigeria, even Senegal not being there and also the likes of Columbia and Uruguay not being there too. Obviously it's good to see some new names and no doubt they deserve to be there, but just have a feeling about the actual qualities of these teams.


    FD
     
  25. gerd

    gerd Retired Footballer

    8 January 2002
    Over the moon
    KRC Genk, Spurs
    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    If i could be garanteed a group with those teams i would buy tickets for all the matches...
    The remarks in this thread are very conservative...
    In 2O years countries like India, China, South Africa and The Unites States may well be the top nations...why wouldn't countries like Angola and Togo not increase the level of football???
    I'm old enough to remember the first time Cameroun played a WC finals (1982 in Spain) who would have thought then that they would become a team that is sorely missed in 2006...
    The first super power in football was Uruguay: were are they now...
    I'm delighted that there are loads of new countries and i would welcome first round groups consisting of Brazil, Engand, Italy and Portugal (for example)...
    Every sports need new stars and new heroes, but football and football fans don't get this and in the end it will mean the end of football...look how boring the "big" competitions are...
     
  26. Professor Nutmeg

    Professor Nutmeg ML Fanatic

    3 July 2002
    Master League
    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    Every country in the finals earned the right to be there. If some bigger names didn't make it, it's their own fault. I like to see a bit of change myself.
    I too remember watching the '82 World cup gerd :)
     
  27. cigol

    cigol League 1

    14 August 2003
    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    Think Gerd has a good point personally.
     
  28. fd1972uk

    fd1972uk ---------------------

    9 January 2002
    Glasgow
    Celtic
    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    Yep he does, although I still have my doubts for the upcoming tournie.

    Remember '82 myself, old Davie Narey annoying the Brazilians. :mrgreen: Boniek, Rossi, Armstrong, Robson.


    FD
     
  29. denirobob

    denirobob IBERIAN PRIMERA

    28 June 2002
    Henley, Oxfordshire
    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    Jeez you fellas make me feel young! 86 was my first WC - Negrete, Josimar, The Moroccan chap who burst the ball, Aztec Gold, humungous goalnets etc... great days {|=

    Anybody here used to buy or still got the official Fifa vids of each competition ? Hero the 86 one with Michael Caine doing the voiceovers is without doubt the finest piece of celulloid never to win an oscar!!

    [​IMG]


    db
     
  30. Cloud1863

    Cloud1863 Premiership

    10 December 2004
    Stoke City
    Re: World Cup 2006 Seeding

    We walked over Switzerland at Euro 2004 and Poland took points from us in the qualifiers tho I dont think there is much in the two sides. Ivory Coast are a decent side but for some reason with all the British based players in Austrailia i feels a bit more of a tougher game.
     

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