Spursfan07
International
- 10 February 2019
Yeah, it's often they give a link which results in error page. No announcements on the website either so far on licensing
eFootball PES 2020 Demo Discussion Thread (PS4/Xbox)
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Yeah, it's often they give a link which results in error page. No announcements on the website either so far on licensing
NIK778899
Premiership
- 30 August 2013
Maybe Monday once its the 1st?
PES have announced Liverpool are out but FIFA won't be able to announce their (almost certain) exclusive partnership with them until the 1st after the PES contract expires.
Same as teams with new kit makers/sponsors can't show new kits until the end of the current deal.
orangebard
League 1
- 9 August 2004
For me and many others, gaming is not only exciting when playing real people.
Spursfan07
International
- 10 February 2019
Yeah, but Konami really needs to do something about their communication. 28th of June is not the same as 1st of July ofcourse. Anyway, will definitely look out for more news on licensing in the next days
JohnnyRainbow
Non-League
- 15 September 2016
Is it just me or did someone else realized, that playing those PES-League games, where the players of the teams will be brought to a similar level, is an example, how PES plays without momentum? and I don't like it. I think you need that momentum, to create those football-moments, when a team that seemed like a certain winner plays a few bad passes, the opponent scores a goal and complety looses its self-esteem. I mean the momentum recreates that important psychological part of football, when the direction a game is going can change within minutes.
somebody here plays NBA2k19? Momentum in basketball is a similar thing and its written deep in the DNA of the videogame as well. as its is in PES. players should play better passes and be more responsive, when you pull the game on your side.
but it should be more subtle, I give you that. the momentum should be recreated with players being on fire suddenly, but not with stupid clipping errors.
somebody here plays NBA2k19? Momentum in basketball is a similar thing and its written deep in the DNA of the videogame as well. as its is in PES. players should play better passes and be more responsive, when you pull the game on your side.
but it should be more subtle, I give you that. the momentum should be recreated with players being on fire suddenly, but not with stupid clipping errors.
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NFS_FM
Premiership
Has anyone seen this?
Spursfan07
International
- 10 February 2019
Something that they cut out was the ability of creating yourself as a manager, because now the site states this:
"PES 2020 offers you a greater variety of Manager models to choose from thanks to the use of high performance 3D scanning technology to capture images of individuals of varying body shapes and sizes.
Additionally, you’ll now be able to play through Master League using one of several world-renowned managers as your avatar, including Zico, Cruyff and Maradona."
- Staff
- #1,929
Just unbelievable.
It's unbelievable, how they give their PR guys and social media guys such poorly translated dregs of information to publish, which then turns out to be wrong, which then gets blamed on the PR/social end. The communication is mental for a billion-dollar company.
It just beggars belief how amateur it all is, from the live stream being an hour late (and then not even being able to get the match they were playing onto the screen), to last year's "dynamic lighting" not being dynamic at all (which lead to a similar desperate edit), and the ML screenshots - remember that? "Transfers are more realistic now", oh look there's Salah Mané and Firmino all playing for different clubs in season one, that's bad isn't it? "Oh wait we gave you the wrong screenshot, here's one where they're all still at Liverpool but otherwise is identical"...
Come *on* guys, you're supposed to be professionals.
Chuny
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- 11 December 2007
Smell like Indie spirit...
Spursfan07
International
- 10 February 2019
Found another one about the sponsor logos:
"Create and customize your own sponsor logos, which will be displayed on the media backdrop during interviews as well as on the Master League main menu screen."
If that's gonna be the big menu change for PES 2020 Master League, I can see the disappointment coming already...
"Create and customize your own sponsor logos, which will be displayed on the media backdrop during interviews as well as on the Master League main menu screen."
If that's gonna be the big menu change for PES 2020 Master League, I can see the disappointment coming already...
gabe.paul.logan
Retired Footballer
I was kinda not expecting the earlier version, i mean thats a HUGE DEAL if you can scan your whole body in the game, gamechanger...i mean how at all? I even wonder no one was giving a fuss about this feature here.
Spursfan07
International
- 10 February 2019
I read it on the site the day it launched, but now you can't derive it from the current information on the ML website section if it still gonna be a feature
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PRO_TOO
Team Heffernan
I was happy that some edit stuff is coming back. Now the Konami-turn...
it just fits. ^^ Sad.
it just fits. ^^ Sad.
Jeez, they're really taking the FIFA route.
Schwarzenbeck
Premiership
its999maggle
Custom Title:
Lmao I had it saved in my clipboard. I didn't know it was already posted here. Thanks for the heads up.You stole that from @loco
PESBUL
Championship
- 11 June 2016
Come on.. still nothing about PES 2020? I'm watching this horrible, painful eSports or eLeagues or eFootball boring as hell event ... waiting for almost 6 hours and nothing... I give up... I start to not care anymore.
HEY KONAMI ............ NOBODY CARES ABOUT eFOOTBALL AND PES LEAGUE!
PESBUL
Championship
- 11 June 2016
So? Looks like will be tomorrow after all or.. who knows... this is Konami.
Schwarzenbeck
Premiership
It's all good. Barthes would have loved the "appropriation". Or was that Baudrillard? In any case, one of these poststructuralist french guys.
opovo.com.br/jornal/esportes/2…starao-em-fifa-e-pes.html
Ceara will be full licence in PES2020 with Stadion.
Ceara will be full licence in PES2020 with Stadion.
Ameppe
International
- 23 December 2007
- SSC Napoli
It's Konami's bad marketing as usual. During E3 they said so many times it was going to be June 28th, now we discover it's not.
An interview with a data editor:
https://webcache.googleusercontent....who-sets-the-stats/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
https://webcache.googleusercontent....who-sets-the-stats/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
Gives me an error.
The post has already been deleted on the website, therefore I linked the Google cache version.
Here is the text:
Before the eternal debate of Cristiano Ronaldo or Lionel Messi, there was an argument that drew the dividing lines just as deep: FIFA or Pro Evolution Soccer. Pro Evo, or PES, was permissible to the aficionados, always having the authenticity, they claimed, that FIFA lacked. FIFA looked pretty and had the licenses, but PES played better; Konami’s offering had the feel of a simulation and EA’s had an arcade appeal.
A compromise was made: FIFA fans could revel in their out-of-the-box picture perfect game and Pro Evo’s could pride themselves on more challenging gameplay and, most importantly, the iconic Master League.
Castolo, Jaric, Minanda – who could forget them? The ragtag bunch were the very essence of the early years of the series, borne out of International Superstar Soccer, so when I spoke to Gavin Shales, a senior data editor for PES, I was delighted to hear how cherished old Dodo and co are by the makers themselves. “My favourite player from the Master League Defaults was Espimas,” the Salisbury-based analyst told me. “The French winger had decent pace that I used over and over again to advance up the pitch. He also had a bit of a rocket on him if you were brave enough to trust him from range. He was always the last player I replaced.”
Back when Ivarov was between the sticks, Gavin had a lot of spare time on his hands and believes it was time well spent, which is something many of us cannot say about our Career Modes and Master Leagues. “I believe my passion, history playing PES, and sensible, unbiased mind was enough to qualify me for a data editor role,” he admitted. “PES 6 is probably my all-time favourite. It’s always a tough call out of PES 5 and PES 6 but I give it the nod due to the sheer amount of fun I had with the game. My mates and I played an awful lot, regularly organising big tournaments that would take us all day to finish. Great days.”
Eleven years later, the likes of Iouga and Stremer were no longer with us – replaced by players such as L. Giorza and J. Rice – and Gavin was no longer just a fan of the series. “I applied for a role when Konami were advertising. I have been working on PES since 2016, so 2020 will be the fourth game that I have worked on.”
Since then, he’s worked on Southampton for three editions, and for the upcoming release was responsible for Burnley, Blackburn, Millwall and Stoke. He tells me that each team has just one editor but conferring with colleagues is vital in producing a balanced division and a stable Master League as youth players mature. “We’ve seen inflated or inconsistent ratings in past iterations of PES and I’d like to think that those days are well and truly in the past now,” he answered when I asked him what he’s most proud of achieving in his time with Konami. “By ensuring all team and player data is correct and accurate for each one I am allocated, I’ve helped to create a balanced and unbiased set of teams within Divisions 1 and 2.” That’s the Premier League and Championship to those blessed with official licensing.
If you grew up making your own players and teams in the game’s expansive Edit Mode, you’ll be warmed by the fact that’s pretty much Gavin’s job. “We are given full control over player stats but at the same time we can’t just set all stats to 99.” As if anyone would ever do that, would they? “All players get reviewed and anything crazy will get rejected, but yes, absolutely, I have full control over individual attributes, and it is one of our primary responsibilities.”
In recent years, nextgen consoles and 4KTVs have lent themselves to virtually faultless player likeness in-game, where once upon a time only a distinctive haircut, a particular freekick run-up, or running style would allow a gamer to tell the difference between Roberto Larcos and Von Mistelroum. “I’d certainly say PES’s strong point has always been reflecting a player’s individuality – PlayerID, as it is known in-game. We focus quite a lot on ensuring the correct motions are selected for all players. Each year there are usually new attributes, player traits and player motions added as the game advances, so there is more to consider. I personally think the games improve each year; sometimes not as much as people would like but there is always progress.”
With the main European footballing calendar over for a couple of brief months, the new releases are just around the corner, and although Gavin wasn’t able to reveal anything – I did ask – his optimism should give fans a reason to feel the same way. “I am excited about 2020 and the updates to Master League sound incredible,” he said, sounding every inch the doting devotee and not just an employee. “The new features are the sorts of things that fans have been requesting for many years now and I am intrigued to see how the ‘Real World Data’ is used and how the ‘Interactive Dialogue System’ plays out.”
The Master League Remastered announcement on Konami’s website acknowledged what every PES player has known for years and promises change: “Your imagination will no longer be tasked with filling in the blanks when navigating the player transfer system. Enhanced integration of real-world data has now been incorporated to bridge the gap between game and reality.”
“Konami have certainly injected fresh life into the mode, and I hope this is just the beginning,” Gavin enthused. Master League had become stagnant in recent editions but hopefully the element of personal creativity and storytelling required that has always been part and parcel of its appeal doesn’t get entirely eradicated. “Master League is my favourite,” Gavin unequivocally stated, “I’ve been playing each year since its introduction in ISS Pro Evolution on PS1. I get lost in the mode due to my imaginative mind. I find myself picturing the newspaper headlines following a big result and running my own commentary in my head. I hope everyone else does this too.” We do, Gavin, we do.
Along with the improved transfer system and the dialogue, which will allow your manager avatar to react in a manner of ways to results, transfers and news pieces, the game also provides you with an opportunity to start your Master League as Johan Cruyff, Diego Maradona or Zico.
It’s quirks such as this that have always marked PES as different. Who can forget playing as an ostrich or penguin back in the day, or buying a rainbow action replay streak to follow the ball around? “I’d love to see the return of the PES Shop,” Gavin concedes. “I used to enjoy the process of generating PES Points and then unlocking extra content and features. It used to take a while but slowly I’d unlock all the Classic Teams, Players, Stadiums.” And, of course, the dinosaurs.
It is this yearning for the nostalgia that keeps many fans returning year after year, staving off the relentless progression of its rival ever moving forward in the world of online gaming. For many, offline play has firmly remained in the domain of Konami, but over the past few years, the very visible switch of focus to their own online mode – myClub – and to evermore finer recreation of player likeness, has seen their bread and butter go stale.
“Master League was probably technically at its best during the latter period of the PS3/Xbox360 era. I’d say PES 2013 to be precise as the gameplay was at its peak for that generation. The most fun I’ve had, though, has to be on PES 6 on PS2. I still have great memories of having a young strike force consisting of Rooney and Podolski. The damage those two done …
“Whereas in the current generation, I have only used the new players a couple of times. It’s just not the same. They were once named so oddly that I couldn’t actually pronounce them. There was no way that I could feel connected to them in the way we all could with the old defaults. That’s why I continue to recreate them each year. That’s just how Master League should be played in my opinion.”
In recent years, you could be forgiven for believing that PES has been trading off of its fans’ loyalty while chasing a quick buck in the online gaming market, but it very much feels that this year’s pre-release information has reasserted Konami’s intentions to care for its beloved offline mode once more. For many, PES is Master League and Master League is PES. It seems that its makers have finally taken note.
“I’m very proud to be able to contribute to the PES series which has given me so much joy over the years,” Gavin ended our conversation by saying. “It’s still a bit surreal to see my name on the credits each year. I have been playing these games for around 25 years and wouldn’t dare to even estimate how many hours that would equate to. I am very much looking forward to the new release.”
By Jordan Florit @thefalselibero
A compromise was made: FIFA fans could revel in their out-of-the-box picture perfect game and Pro Evo’s could pride themselves on more challenging gameplay and, most importantly, the iconic Master League.
Castolo, Jaric, Minanda – who could forget them? The ragtag bunch were the very essence of the early years of the series, borne out of International Superstar Soccer, so when I spoke to Gavin Shales, a senior data editor for PES, I was delighted to hear how cherished old Dodo and co are by the makers themselves. “My favourite player from the Master League Defaults was Espimas,” the Salisbury-based analyst told me. “The French winger had decent pace that I used over and over again to advance up the pitch. He also had a bit of a rocket on him if you were brave enough to trust him from range. He was always the last player I replaced.”
Back when Ivarov was between the sticks, Gavin had a lot of spare time on his hands and believes it was time well spent, which is something many of us cannot say about our Career Modes and Master Leagues. “I believe my passion, history playing PES, and sensible, unbiased mind was enough to qualify me for a data editor role,” he admitted. “PES 6 is probably my all-time favourite. It’s always a tough call out of PES 5 and PES 6 but I give it the nod due to the sheer amount of fun I had with the game. My mates and I played an awful lot, regularly organising big tournaments that would take us all day to finish. Great days.”
Eleven years later, the likes of Iouga and Stremer were no longer with us – replaced by players such as L. Giorza and J. Rice – and Gavin was no longer just a fan of the series. “I applied for a role when Konami were advertising. I have been working on PES since 2016, so 2020 will be the fourth game that I have worked on.”
Since then, he’s worked on Southampton for three editions, and for the upcoming release was responsible for Burnley, Blackburn, Millwall and Stoke. He tells me that each team has just one editor but conferring with colleagues is vital in producing a balanced division and a stable Master League as youth players mature. “We’ve seen inflated or inconsistent ratings in past iterations of PES and I’d like to think that those days are well and truly in the past now,” he answered when I asked him what he’s most proud of achieving in his time with Konami. “By ensuring all team and player data is correct and accurate for each one I am allocated, I’ve helped to create a balanced and unbiased set of teams within Divisions 1 and 2.” That’s the Premier League and Championship to those blessed with official licensing.
If you grew up making your own players and teams in the game’s expansive Edit Mode, you’ll be warmed by the fact that’s pretty much Gavin’s job. “We are given full control over player stats but at the same time we can’t just set all stats to 99.” As if anyone would ever do that, would they? “All players get reviewed and anything crazy will get rejected, but yes, absolutely, I have full control over individual attributes, and it is one of our primary responsibilities.”
In recent years, nextgen consoles and 4KTVs have lent themselves to virtually faultless player likeness in-game, where once upon a time only a distinctive haircut, a particular freekick run-up, or running style would allow a gamer to tell the difference between Roberto Larcos and Von Mistelroum. “I’d certainly say PES’s strong point has always been reflecting a player’s individuality – PlayerID, as it is known in-game. We focus quite a lot on ensuring the correct motions are selected for all players. Each year there are usually new attributes, player traits and player motions added as the game advances, so there is more to consider. I personally think the games improve each year; sometimes not as much as people would like but there is always progress.”
With the main European footballing calendar over for a couple of brief months, the new releases are just around the corner, and although Gavin wasn’t able to reveal anything – I did ask – his optimism should give fans a reason to feel the same way. “I am excited about 2020 and the updates to Master League sound incredible,” he said, sounding every inch the doting devotee and not just an employee. “The new features are the sorts of things that fans have been requesting for many years now and I am intrigued to see how the ‘Real World Data’ is used and how the ‘Interactive Dialogue System’ plays out.”
The Master League Remastered announcement on Konami’s website acknowledged what every PES player has known for years and promises change: “Your imagination will no longer be tasked with filling in the blanks when navigating the player transfer system. Enhanced integration of real-world data has now been incorporated to bridge the gap between game and reality.”
“Konami have certainly injected fresh life into the mode, and I hope this is just the beginning,” Gavin enthused. Master League had become stagnant in recent editions but hopefully the element of personal creativity and storytelling required that has always been part and parcel of its appeal doesn’t get entirely eradicated. “Master League is my favourite,” Gavin unequivocally stated, “I’ve been playing each year since its introduction in ISS Pro Evolution on PS1. I get lost in the mode due to my imaginative mind. I find myself picturing the newspaper headlines following a big result and running my own commentary in my head. I hope everyone else does this too.” We do, Gavin, we do.
Along with the improved transfer system and the dialogue, which will allow your manager avatar to react in a manner of ways to results, transfers and news pieces, the game also provides you with an opportunity to start your Master League as Johan Cruyff, Diego Maradona or Zico.
It’s quirks such as this that have always marked PES as different. Who can forget playing as an ostrich or penguin back in the day, or buying a rainbow action replay streak to follow the ball around? “I’d love to see the return of the PES Shop,” Gavin concedes. “I used to enjoy the process of generating PES Points and then unlocking extra content and features. It used to take a while but slowly I’d unlock all the Classic Teams, Players, Stadiums.” And, of course, the dinosaurs.
It is this yearning for the nostalgia that keeps many fans returning year after year, staving off the relentless progression of its rival ever moving forward in the world of online gaming. For many, offline play has firmly remained in the domain of Konami, but over the past few years, the very visible switch of focus to their own online mode – myClub – and to evermore finer recreation of player likeness, has seen their bread and butter go stale.
“Master League was probably technically at its best during the latter period of the PS3/Xbox360 era. I’d say PES 2013 to be precise as the gameplay was at its peak for that generation. The most fun I’ve had, though, has to be on PES 6 on PS2. I still have great memories of having a young strike force consisting of Rooney and Podolski. The damage those two done …
“Whereas in the current generation, I have only used the new players a couple of times. It’s just not the same. They were once named so oddly that I couldn’t actually pronounce them. There was no way that I could feel connected to them in the way we all could with the old defaults. That’s why I continue to recreate them each year. That’s just how Master League should be played in my opinion.”
In recent years, you could be forgiven for believing that PES has been trading off of its fans’ loyalty while chasing a quick buck in the online gaming market, but it very much feels that this year’s pre-release information has reasserted Konami’s intentions to care for its beloved offline mode once more. For many, PES is Master League and Master League is PES. It seems that its makers have finally taken note.
“I’m very proud to be able to contribute to the PES series which has given me so much joy over the years,” Gavin ended our conversation by saying. “It’s still a bit surreal to see my name on the credits each year. I have been playing these games for around 25 years and wouldn’t dare to even estimate how many hours that would equate to. I am very much looking forward to the new release.”
By Jordan Florit @thefalselibero
PRO_TOO
Team Heffernan
hear hear...
not picking here... but lets see when the full game is released! he said it!!
when i look at how the "customize manager" part on their website vanished a few hours ago... i sense worse!
but hey, lets see!
edit:
man, that sounds to good to be true... (let me get lost in imagination)
and AMEN to that!
lets have a little prayer! 
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Ameppe
International
- 23 December 2007
- SSC Napoli
The article about the editor talking about database was removed very probably because Konami asked them to.
As soon as the article went up one of the Pes editing guys contacted the author via twitter saying it was an urgent matter. After that it was removed.
Konami is so hopeless about communication it's unreal.
As soon as the article went up one of the Pes editing guys contacted the author via twitter saying it was an urgent matter. After that it was removed.
Konami is so hopeless about communication it's unreal.
Spursfan07
International
- 10 February 2019
Yeah considering all this, hopes to have a good PES 2020 are already down the drain for me...
They do realize people preorder the game based on the information they spread out to the public, do they???
So did I, and I already start to regret that I preordered it...
They do realize people preorder the game based on the information they spread out to the public, do they???
So did I, and I already start to regret that I preordered it...
Ameppe
International
- 23 December 2007
- SSC Napoli
Never preorder, and especially never preorder Pes.
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