Ive never felt the need to add to any of the number of threads slagging off PES5 as i dont feel its a bad game but having just gone back to PES4 im sorry to say , Konami have bombed out big time in my opinion .The PES4 gameplay was a joy to behold , it was fast , slick , smooth but most of all FLUENT !!! There are many different improvements in PES5 that really enhance the game but gameplay has took a step backwards .Ive been playing PES5 since release day almost a month ago and have really been patient with it and tried to give it a fair crack but at the end of the day it comes in a poor second to PES4 . The biggest disappointments have to be the erratic shooting system where as you can tap the button 2 yards from an open goal and put the ball into row Z and the constant fouls throughout the game just to try and regain possession . I will continue to play both games in a vain attempt to try and get PES5 to grow on me . The message to Konami is simple , if it aint broke dont fix it !!! The bottom line is that the changes from PES2 to PES3 and from PES3 to PES4 were subtle and enhancing but this time Konami have changed too much too soon .