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Ask the Dutch about the Dutch

Discussion in 'Football' started by joostebrood, 6 January 2006.

  1. joostebrood

    joostebrood Premiership

    4 March 2002
    I've noticed many of you are very interested in football outside the EPL. So for that reason I've started this thread. You can ask me any question about Dutch football and I'll answer it for you. Fire away my friends! I'm your information guru.
  2. Professor Nutmeg

    Professor Nutmeg ML Fanatic

    3 July 2002
    Master League
    Why do some of the smaller Dutch clubs not assign registered squad numbers for the season? Instead, they assign per match. These are the teams who don't have their player names on the back of their shirts. One match a player might be number 10, then the next match number 7 etc.
  3. joostebrood

    joostebrood Premiership

    4 March 2002
    I'm not sure, it could be because the rules are different in Holland. We have quite the strange assocation in the KNVB. Another reason could be that shirtnumbers are assigned for a position, not for a player. I know van Gaal did that in the past with Ajax. In Holland it's quite common to say 'that player is best suited for the 7' or 'this guy really played a nice game on 10'. 10 ofcourse is the position of the attacking midfielder. 7 is the right wing position.

    There you go, more questions?
  4. Milanista

    Milanista Mangiamoli! Staff

    19 December 2002
    London & Milan
    AC Milan
    Ive heard good things about PSV's Alex, and hes been linked with Milan, possibly a switch with Stam (I love this guy). Is Alex consistant and solid in defence?
  5. joostebrood

    joostebrood Premiership

    4 March 2002
    Alex is a top defender Milanista. Last year in the CL he was amazing. This year he's also proving to be up there with the best. He'd be a great replacement for Stam. His build-up play could be better, but his defending is world class, his heading is fantastic. Great player, but there will be quite a lot of teams wanting to buy him. I wonder why he isn't in the Brazilian team yet.
  6. Clockender

    Clockender is back...but for how long?

    27 November 2001
    East Lower, Block 13
    Arsenal FC
    I know this is going back a bit, but what actually happen to Robin Van Persie when he was beaten up by Ajax fans when at Feyenoord. Was he badly hurt? Also how is he perceived in Holland? Is he seen as regular international in the future? Or is he disliked?
    Last edited: 6 January 2006
  7. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Banned

    12 February 2005
    Steve Mokone (aka The Black Meteor) was the first black player to play in the Eredivisie. He played for Heracles Almelo.
  8. joostebrood

    joostebrood Premiership

    4 March 2002
    Stringer Bell, leave the wisdom up to me ok? I can't have that Black Panther shit in this thread, this is strictly about football.

    Clockender, van Persie got beaten up while playing with a youth team of Feijenoord. After troubles with his trainer van Marwijk, he was send back to a youth team. He had a few bruises, but nothing bad. It was the traditional useless hatred between Ajax and Feijenoord fans. The strange thing is, there was no police or security around, while Ajax should have known this could happen. Fortunately some of the Ajax players helped out the Feijenoord players (which also would have happened if it was the other way around).
    In Holland the popularity of van Persie is growing. Especially the media have changed their opinion on him and he's definately seen as one of our future stars. I want to see him played as one of our strikers in a 4-4-2, together with RVN up front. With Robben and van der Vaart close behind them.
  9. Milanista

    Milanista Mangiamoli! Staff

    19 December 2002
    London & Milan
    AC Milan
    Didnt Van Persie rape someone this summer?
  10. joostebrood

    joostebrood Premiership

    4 March 2002
    Is that a serious question? You probably heard already it was a false accusation. I actually had a pretty long chat with van Persie in a club in Rotterdam once, we were both drunk.
  11. rockykabir

    rockykabir hello

    30 March 2003
    London -> New York -> San Francisco
    Liverpool FC
    Hey Joost, good idea for a thread ;)

    Jan Kromkamp...do you reckon he'll fit in well and perhaps maintain a first team place in Anfield? There's all this talk about him not being able to settle in Spain - why was this?
  12. Metallica

    Metallica Whoosh... Bullshit!

    20 August 2003
    Pissed up in Sam Platt's
    Could you type in what will probably be the Holland starting line up for the World Cup please and formation

  13. joostebrood

    joostebrood Premiership

    4 March 2002
    I already posted this in the Liverpool thread. It's probably on the last page still. I don't know why he couldn't settle, I didn't hear anything about this myself. He had problems learning the language I heard, but that goes for most people who play in a different country.
  14. joostebrood

    joostebrood Premiership

    4 March 2002
    Goal: van der Sar
    RB: Lucius
    LC: van Bronckhorst
    CB: Boulahrouz
    CB: Mathijsen
    RM: Landzaat
    LM: van der Vaart
    CM: cocu
    RM: Kuijt
    CF: RVN
    LW: Robben
  15. PLF

    PLF Legend

    2 August 2004
    Indeed good idea for a thread Joostebrood. It's a good place for people to come and expand their Eredivisie knowledge like myself ;)
    He couldn't settle there mostly because of language but also he had some troubling dislodgin Javi Venta from the right back spot who is a veteran Spanish (key word here ;)) member of team.

    He's a good player though. He's got good physique, descent speed, gets forward but defends well too so not really just an attacking full back in fact he's quite balanced and good at both.

    And there is no reason why can't be a serious challenger for Steve Finnan's right back spot now and hopefully that should give Liverpool some depth as well as healthy competition so whoever is doing best in training can play the match.

    Overall I like him and since it didn't look like he was gonna settle well in spain (mainly due to language), I think it's a great move for him but not so much for Villarreal who apparently did a straight swap for a very avg player in Josemi :lol:

    He also like most other Dutchies can speak good enough English so that won't be a problem of fitting in like it was at Villarreal.
    Now a question for you Joostebrood, how is Ex- RKC Forward Iwan Redan gettin on in Eredivisie? He's at Willem II now isn't he? if so, how is he playing? how many goals has he got?

    Also I'm quite interested in the ethnicity discussions and usually know or like to know the player's 2nd nationality (other race as well) and do know for van Bronkhorst and many other players like De Ridder has Israeli as well as Dutch background as you probably know but what is Denny Landzaat's other nationality? I heard it's a small island near Indonesia? but I can't remember name.

    Anyways nice thread and see ya later.
  16. Stan

    Stan Allez les Lionceaux !!!

    12 September 2002
    Excellent idea Joost, this thread...is it World Cup fever ┬žoranje mayoniase, worsten, condooms, tampons,...). I will be a Dutch fan in June, although without the orange parafernalia...
    I really love Dutch football although i don't follow it anymore.
    Two questions:

    I really like Landzaat, what do you think about him???

    And then a chauvinistic one, there are quite a few Belgian players in the Eeredivisie could you give me your personal top five???
  17. RuneEdge

    RuneEdge Silent Assassin

    1 October 2003
    Turn around, I'm right behind you...
    Manchester United
    And to your first question, you answer...
  18. PLF

    PLF Legend

    2 August 2004
    At least he's honest. He didn't want to give bull$hit answer if he doesn't know. He is full of info but obviously can't know everything or be sure.
  19. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Banned

    12 February 2005

    That was a random statement, i was doing a bit of research on Almelo and read about that...so i thought i just post it, BOY.


    Have you ever been rushed by FC Utrecht fans, when going to their stadium? Do they fight dirty?
    Last edited: 6 January 2006
  20. whats the english meaning of eredivise?
  21. PLF

    PLF Legend

    2 August 2004
    lol I hope he hasn't and I guess the fact that he's okay and talking to us today means he hasn't probably as they are the most HARDCORE fans ever lol.. dangerous place to be if you're supporting a visiting fan.

    One more question I wanted to ask though Joosta,

    Is the Feyenoord and Sparta Rotterdan rivalry anything really serious? or is it not that bad? I mean I know Sparta is usually in 2nd division and sometimes gets promoted to first but is their rivalry anything like Man City/Man Utd or Liverpool/Everton or is it less intense?

    take care
  22. joostebrood

    joostebrood Premiership

    4 March 2002
    Redan was actually suspended from the first team and sent back to the second team, because of disciplinary problems. It seems the guy just isn't good enough to perform throughout a season. He has his games, but he's too inconsistent. He hasn't scored a goal so far this season for Willem II.
    I can't say where Landzaat is from, my guess would also be somewhere near Indonesia. Our old colonies have brought us great players throughout the year. Maybe Landzaat is from Ambon, I'm not sure though
  23. joostebrood

    joostebrood Premiership

    4 March 2002
    I also like Landzaat, he's a passing player, very intelligent. Scores quite a lot for a DM. I do think he isn't suited to play man to man during top games like the one against Argentina at the WC. His defence isn't good enough and on top of that he isn't a real killer, like van Bommel and Davids.

    My favorite Belgian players?
    I think Huysegems is the one I like the most. Martens of RKC is also a very good player. Timmy Simons as well, very important, just not my type of player. RKC also has De Ceulaer (who is on loan from Feijenoord). He should be good in the future. My last pick would be Vermaelen, great defender, he's getting better at Ajax.
    The worst of them all is Vreven, that's just a cunt.
    The best of all time was Nilis, true artist
  24. joostebrood

    joostebrood Premiership

    4 March 2002
    Utrecht fans are known for the English atmosphere in the stadium. They were "famous" for their hooligans, but the last few years you don't hear about hooliganism that much.
  25. joostebrood

    joostebrood Premiership

    4 March 2002
    Literally : Division of Honour
  26. joostebrood

    joostebrood Premiership

    4 March 2002
    Sparta actually only relegated a few years ago. That was the first time ever they relegated from the Eredivsie. Together with Ajax, Feijenoord and PSV they were the only one to have never relegated. Their coach then was Rijkaard. You all know where he's now...
    The rivalry is still quite serious, but not in a hateful way I think. You don't hear about riots in those games. You can't compare it to the derbies you mentioned. There's only 2 games in Holland that fit that description:
    Feijenoord - Ajax
    NEC - Vitesse
  27. Ch00ng

    Ch00ng | | CHAMP19NS | |

    4 August 2005
    M16 0RA
    Man Utd & England
    nice thread joostebrood. erm my question is could you compare & contrast Rosenberg & Huntelaar as i dont no a lot about them but i seem to hear great things about these two.
  28. Stan

    Stan Allez les Lionceaux !!!

    12 September 2002
    Thanks for the answers Joot.
    I actually heard a rumlour about De Ceulaer. Koeman considers him that good that he wants him back in Feyenoord.
    And do you know that Feyenoord has loaned a Brazilian forward to Belgian club Westerlo: Jay Jay (as for Jackson) Coelho. He is astonishing good and Celta de Vigo allegedly wants to buy him. Koeman and some other Feyenoord guy came to watch Coelho in a few big matches but the Westerlo coach put him in the team as SMF...in the match against Anderlecht 15 minutes before the end of the game theFeyenoord delegation quit the stadium and the coach put Coelho as forward and hescored two goals...
  29. PLF

    PLF Legend

    2 August 2004
    Cool thanks for answers Jooste. I didn't know NEC vs. Vitesse is a derby nor did I know Sparta only relegated for first time few years ago.

    Either way if its a rivalry but a healthy one then good for Feyenoord and Sparta :)
  30. pk9

    pk9 Did you Say BOOTS - Pk

    9 January 2004
    in the boots thread
    Lille, de oranje!
    superb indepth analysis joosterbrood!

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