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What difficulty do you play on?

Discussion in 'Pro Evolution Soccer' started by Benni, 3 October 2012.

  1. Benni

    Benni Banned

    7 May 2012
    I've been playing Superstar and can't win a match. I am thoroughly enjoying myself and playing some really nice posession football but cant win.

    Should I drop it down to Top Player or persist with it?

    What do you play on?
     
  2. _anderson

    _anderson Retired Fanboy

    31 May 2007
    Porto, Portugal
    F.C.Porto
    I think we reached a state where there should be just two difficulty levels, Amateur and Pro, and then realistic "layers" of difficulty depending of the team you're playing against and other conditions.

    Superstar and Top Player have a bipolar disorder, sometimes you can dominate matches completely, other times they'll rape you in every imaginable way possible.

    I have no doubt in my mind that there are scripts in the game that change the natural outcome of rebounds, and even if you'll win an interception or will magically "freeze" and let it go through you. If I wasn't so lazy I would show you a replay where two of my players, one after the other, with the ball going their way confortably, a couple of meters in front of the CPU player, magically let it slip past them.
     
    Last edited: 3 October 2012
  3. ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue

    ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue Banned

    9 October 2010
    tbh i cant decide yet
    feels all about the same
    from 4 to 6*

    i need some input from outside
    i want the cpu play more possession and less lethal in striking
     
  4. Benni

    Benni Banned

    7 May 2012
    I am gonna drop down to Top Player I think. Superstar isn't realistic - I played Braga in a friendly and they were too dominant (I was Juventus).
     
  5. Rantboy

    Rantboy International

    27 December 2002
    Fluminense FC / Arsenal
    There was a time in the series when the 6 star level (Superstar) was only available by unlocking in the PES Shop. That tells you a lot.

    I'm convinced that the AI isn't as sophisticated as we would think before. The behaviour of the CPU won't be too different on Professional, Top Player and Superstar. I think the difference will be down to how much cheating, scripting and stat boosting you want in the mix. Let's not forget this is a video game, so it will be more like a challenge to beat the game, more than anything else.

    I've been playing Top Player lately. I still didn't see it on competitions. But what I could witness so far, even in exhibition games, is some serious stat boosting in favour of the CPU team.
    I had Alexis Sanchez chased down the wing by a CPU-controlled Pirlo as if he had his Top Speed in the 90's or something.

    So it's all down to tastes and what sort of results you are achieving on Top Player. If it becomes easy, switch to Superstar - but beware, you're gonna smash a few controllers on the ground :D
     
  6. fd1972uk

    fd1972uk ---------------------

    9 January 2002
    Glasgow
    Celtic
    Yep I'm trying not to come off the Top Player, but I'm on the verge of either smashing up my controller, the PS3 itself, the game or just going to trade it in as it's doing my box in.

    The weird shit your players do on this level is just absurd. Also the computers through-balls are a joke, never offside, unlike your own team who constantly go off.

    I was getting pumped silly with Portugal against Bosnia and some nobody Mesudja or some shit outpaced Ronaldo every single time.

    It's actually not even enjoyable anymore, you have to play the perfect game and every perfect pass, no skill involved really. Also I think you have to buy free-kicks from the PSN store as the CPU never seems to give them away, but if you do, oh feck, be prepared if by some miracle your drawing near the end of the game be prepared for some nobody curling a free-kick into the top corner.


    FD
     
  7. Wilko22

    Wilko22 Confusions Familiar

    19 March 2003
    Manchester United
    Must admit I'm tempted to drop down to Professional at the moment, Master League on Top Player is feeling like an absolute grind, any good football I was playing has gone entirely out the window and been replaced by direct football in an attempt to outscore the opponent who inevitably will score at some point, somehow.
     
  8. fideco

    fideco League 1

    15 October 2005
    Italy
    Udinese Calcio (1896)
    Professional, here.
    I feel it well balanced and i'm able to build up my gameplay.
    Full manual passes is giving me a lot of freedom and raise up the challenge.
     
  9. gunneryank

    gunneryank Naptown Gooner

    14 October 2012
    Indianapolis, IN, USA
    Arsenal
    Top Player. Superstar seems to make the CPU error-free.
     
  10. Barca_Fan13

    Barca_Fan13 League 1

    1 December 2007
    F.C. Barcelona
    Professional, since the patch. Feels much more balanced with the AI actually making mistakes.
     
  11. CalcioCalabrese

    CalcioCalabrese Weekend warrior

    29 November 2010
    Australia
    Adelaide United
    Yeah I've gone back to Professional. Feels really nice for my level and I still managed to get destroyed in one game lol. Posession stats and build up play was fine from the AI and I had just enough time on the ball in certain areas without too much or too little.
     
  12. Rydo2.0

    Rydo2.0 Non-League

    12 October 2012
    Sydney, Australia
    Celtic/Man Utd
    I'm playing on Professional. My attempts at playing Top Player nearly resulted in a hernia. As everyone else has pointed out, it just isn't realistic when some nobody is outpacing C. Ronaldo!

    Full manual controls on Pro are enough of a challenge for me.
     
  13. Jimmy G-Force

    Jimmy G-Force Resident PES Fanman

    13 April 2003
    Darlington
    Middlesbrough F.C.
    I played both Professional and Top Player with the same teams last night, and although the scores were the same 2-1 to me, I enjoyed Professional more. There was only a 2% difference in Possession as well, which was less than I'd have previously thought.

    It just feels more natural and balanced on Professional, and it works very well with Zero Assistance. The perfect marriage for me personally.
     
  14. pes4lyfe

    pes4lyfe Champions League

    4 July 2011
    Not about difficulty but sorta related when u play crap teams with low rated keepers are they shcoking on pro?
    I was playing copa america troruney thing and was playing some unkown team to me I ws flumimese...Everytime i shot even from 30-35 yrds my shots would go straight at the ekeeper but still went in...not played many game so hope it was result of a crap keeper not me being ace at shooting as the shots werent een in the corners....was shocking tbh
     
  15. Benni

    Benni Banned

    7 May 2012
    I have fall in love with Top Player and will stay on this difficulty. Pro a little too easy, Superstar unrealistic and CPU makes no errors.

    I played all other PES games on Top Player (or the old FIVE STAR difficulty as it was then IIRC)
     
  16. Rantboy

    Rantboy International

    27 December 2002
    Fluminense FC / Arsenal
    This illustrates what I said before: AI sophistication stops at Professional. From there on, it's a question of how much cheating you want to make it more of a challenge to you.

    The problem for me is that it feels a bit easy on Professional and Top Player is unreasonably difficult because of blatant cheating. Plus, it seems that Top Player can be divided in two levels: Exhibitions/group stages of competitions or Knockout stages of competitions, where the CPU transforms itself completely.

    I'm kinda on a limbo :(
    I played a Copa Libertadores with Fluminense and topped my group with ease, not exactly destroying anybody, but winning 5 and drawing 1. It was fairly easy, as I felt I kept opposition at arms length and defended a lead quite comfortably.
    But when I hit the group stages, the CPU was a beast on beserk mode. And I gotta tell you, this felt exactly the same as PES2012. I got defeated 3 or 4 times and if I insist it just feels like I'm trying to beat an arcade game, which is not the feeling one looks for in PES.
     
  17. Jimmy G-Force

    Jimmy G-Force Resident PES Fanman

    13 April 2003
    Darlington
    Middlesbrough F.C.
    I think it also depends what level of teams your playing with. Using a lesser team on Pro and Zero, against the better sides, certainly feels the most realistic to me so far.

    I also prefer the word bias to scripting or cheating. I don't ever feel 'cheated' because by definition, that is suggesting the results of the matches are already preordained. Which I certainly don't believe to be the case. As for 'scripting', the game is designed around that, and that isn't a bad thing, as it's what determines the relevance of players stats. Getting the fundamentals in place and smashing one in the top corner from 30 yards with a player like Rooney is what seperates him from a player like Schmooney. If you get my drift. Artisitic license, a means to an end.

    It's the same as defenders missing the path of the ball so the strikers gain an advantage. It's scripted to ensure either the passers stats are relevant or the strikers movement stats come to the fore. It really is no different to seeing a defender misjudge an interception in real-life and the striker getting in behind him. It's what happens. The problem is we dont like it as video game players because we feel like we are being cheated. I don't, that's how football works. And I personally feel Konami do a great job of replicating statistics, no matter which way they pull it off.
     
    Last edited: 19 October 2012
  18. CalcioCalabrese

    CalcioCalabrese Weekend warrior

    29 November 2010
    Australia
    Adelaide United
    One thing they need to fix though is the clipping. I used supercancel to move my defender side by side with the striker who was just approaching the 18 yard box. Instead of making him stumble - the defender passed through his body. I checked the replay and it wasn't pretty lol.
     
  19. DuduBR9

    DuduBR9 Champions League

    25 July 2010
    I've been playing in Professional level, 0 bar and 20 min with Barcelona and so far it has been quie easy, I won all matchs in group stage and the match after the group stage against Undinese, in the first leg, I won by 5x0. But I'm playing with Barça tho.

    I think playing with lesser teams like Valencia must be fun in professional.
     
  20. amier

    amier The Great One

    9 August 2004
    xXx
    Ajax
    Professional, on 0 Assist, 10 min games, -1 Speed.
    It's slower but the players feel so free, stats matter and the games flow so much better. I think/feel the CPU also plays differently on -1 speed, it's all less tedious and more random with the CPU making mistakes. I enjoy every game.

    On higher difficulties i feel you're forced to play the game in a certain way.. which i don't like and don't really care for anymore.

    *Default speed isn't fast or anything btw, but as you gain speed in ML you'll see the game change drastically for the worse imo. -1 Speed balances the gameplay out at all times even with 95+ speed stats.
     
    Last edited: 19 October 2012
  21. Stoyancho

    Stoyancho League 2

    29 October 2005
    Bulgaria
    Brazil & Barcelona
    It's very interesting, because camera options also make impact on game speed , in other words i like more wide camera, which is slower pace than long and pitch side. Game speed -1 make some moves slugish and ball speed is not so real. Professional is better somehow, gameplay seems more real, with CPU mistakes, not so fast play. But top player is not too bad also. :)
     

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