What are you listening to?

System F used to produce some good tunes, as far as I remember..
Especially I must mention "Cry" and "Out of the blue", two tracks that I loved: despite being a little too "commercial" they're still great..

but my favourite trance one ever is this:
Blank & Jones - Mind of the wonderful

what a tune..
 
Cry was more commercial than Out Of The Blue was. Yeah both classic tunes and I love them both a lot.

Its such a big shame that these days Trance is NOT proper Trance! its all cheesy bullshit like Baywatch Theme Tune Remakes etc... That turned me to listen to Rock/Indie music that I once dismissed. I blame the likes of Ian Van Dahl and Flip & Fill which made it all cheesy back in 2001 the year Proper Trance took a dive!

Ministry of Sound also have a huge part to play in that too... a quick history Lesson:

The Annual I - The 1st one and it was a classic! good tunes and 2 decent mixes from Tongy and Boy George
The Annual II - Better than the 1st one! brilliant! Tongy did try to be too clever with some mixes and bodged them up!
The Annual III - Continued to be good
The Annual IV - Judge Jules comes in and mixes up a storm! it started to commercialise a lot at this point.
The Annual Millennium Edition (1999) - Tall Paul comes in and the album is good. Some tracks are cut hurrendously short and the commercialisation continues.
The Annual 2000 - The last good one done by PROPER DJ's Commercialism rises again!
Clubbers Guide To 2001 - Last Ministry CD mixed by a decent DJ... Tall Paul. Mix Editing was diabolical (done by the guy who mixes the next CD in the series!)
Annual 2002 (2001) - what the fuck is with this shit? 3 cd's? Garage and who the fuck mixed this? Commercialism at its maximum and that has continued to this day...
 
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yes dj, the style of Ian Van Dahl changed a lot over the last 3 or 4 years.. Listening to "Castles in the sky" and then to "Just a girl" shows all the difference.
They dropped the trance style they had until "Reason" to start producing commercial stuff.. Just a girl, though being a good song in his genre, is everything but trance with that distorted guitar and that bass..

Blank and Jones seem th ones that improved over the last years instead of becoming commercial.. Cream was a good one, I didn't like After love that much for being a little too commercial. DFF actually was good, but as I said, for me they reached the top with "Mind of the wonderful".
Also, Catch is not a bad one, but it can't be compared to Mind of the wonderful.

well, I think this has more likely to be discussed in the proper trance/dance/house thread :P

Back in topic:
Alanis Morissette - Ironic
 
Barbatuques - Baião Destemperado

(you know...the song that's in the Ronaldinho Joga Bonito commercial)
 
Oh you didn't need to mention the Ronaldinho thing, I think we're all massive fans of The Barbatuques work. I especially like that one that goes "Hey Hey we're The Barbatuques! People say we Barbatuque around..."
 
Don't think much of the album (which is disappointing), but currently listening to White Stripes - Icky Thump. If the whole album was like this one song instead of being a bit too weird, I would lap it up.
 
Breaking Benjamin - So Cold

and after that:

Foo Fighters - Best of You...

The best act at Live Earth yesterday :)
 
JayM said:
Stronger by Kanye West
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More like BY Daft Punk?

What i don't like is that he jacked dthe beat way too early. he raps all over the vocoding etc and it's annoying.


i am even more surprised by daft punk as they are in his video?! so they must condone it but still i just can't feel that song with it still being sorta new?

hate to say it but i HATE the song and hate Kayne now because of it. he had a good thing goin til i heard this i think he got real lazy and just popped this thuing togtehr it shows no artistry whatsoever
 
Ever heard of the word "sampling"? :roll:
He can do whatever he wants with it, it dont matter how he uses it cuz thats besides the point.
 
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RuneEdge said:
Ever heard of the word "sampling"? :roll:
He can do whatever he wants with it, it dont matter how he uses it cuz thats besides the point.
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NO NO No Of course I've heard of sampling but that not sampling in the true hip Hop fashion thats jacking completely and just taking the whole thing as his own song to rap on kinda like what puffy did and quickly grew out of thankfully
 
Whats a good example of sampling then?
The way I see it, sampling is just sampling. The way you use it is a totally different matter.
 
If you've got the license you can do whatever you want with any of it, so he's well within his rights to do what he likes. But I think most artists seem a bit more "respectful" - not to the artist, who I'm sure is best mates with the guy for wanting to use his song, but "respectful" to the art itself. You would normally use small sections of a song, or the track of a single instrument (Madonna - Hung Up On You, or whatever it was called, used four bars of one instrument in an Abba song). Not the entire thing with your one thing added over the top. If you or I did that, it would be karaoke, nothing more.

I'm all for doing things in different ways and not doing the same thing forever, but if I bought the rights to a Beatles song, and then copied the original track onto a CD but spoke the words "Beatles are insects" at the end of every line, it would be massively disrespectful to the original song, whether you've got the permission of the artist(s) or not. You're putting in no artistic effort, someone else (with talent) has written and performed the song, mixed it in a studio, added their own touches onto it, took weeks, possibly months over its perfection. And then you take sixty seconds on a Saturday to record "Beatles are insects" and stick it onto the end. You're legally covered, but hopefully, you'd get a complete panning from all of the music magazines etc... Although if Kanye West did it, I'm sure he'd get a couple of awards.

It's not a cover, it's not a remix, it's not a lot of effort really. It's cheap. Fair enough, he wrote some lyrics, but everything else was already done for him. I find it really repulsive; but then I never liked the guy anyway, nor 90% of the other artists out there at the moment, so, oh well.
 
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This.. is a proper remix / sampling / rerub of a tune, Mr Kanye Westside Rapping Bollocks.

Daft Punk - Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger (Heatbeat Rip)
 
proxi said:
This.. is a proper remix / sampling / rerub of a tune, Mr Kanye Westside Rapping Bollocks.

Daft Punk - Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger (Heatbeat Rip)
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Thats a remix, not a totally different song that sampled something else. Another example of sampling would be "Izzo" from Jay-Z which samples "I Want You Back" from the Jackson 5. Both songs might have sampled another song but its still new and different because it has its own style and lyrics. Just cuz the new one is not your type of music, you want to shit all over it. The really ironic thing is that Daft Punk sampled another song to create "Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger" in the first place. :roll:

"Cola Bottle Baby" by Edwin Birdsong
http://www.stylehiphop.com/funk/house27.mp3
 
I must have got my definitions for "sample" (literally meaning a small taste of something) and "copy the entire song" (meaning I can't be arsed making a song, just stick these lyrics on-top of something that's cheap to borrow) mixed up somewhere.
 
Jack Bauer said:
I must have got my definitions for "sample" (literally meaning a small taste of something) and "copy the entire song" (meaning I can't be arsed making a song, just stick these lyrics on-top of something that's cheap to borrow) mixed up somewhere.
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Well in case you didnt notice, Kanye's song only samples about 5 seconds of the Daft Punk song and repeats it through the whole song.
 
Man, you guys are full of shit if you actually feel the way you do about this song. I cant be arsed with this debate anymore so I'm gonna stop before it gets too far. Artists do this all the time and Kanye West only did what Daft Punk did to create that song in the first place. Just cuz you might like the original and not Kanye's one, it doesnt make it wrong. What if you had heard "Cola Bottle Baby" by Edwin Birdsong that I posted above long before Daft Punk? Would that have made his song cheap? Of course not.
 
When I heard it during Live Earth or the Diana thing, whichever one it was, it was exactly the same song note for note, except for 4/8 bars where it was slowed down.

And by the way, if you think I don't like it, you're wrong - the original could have done with lyrics like that. But the fact that it's entirely the same apart from the fact that he's using it like a karaoke song is just utterly wrong, in my view.

Music is art - if I photocopied a Da Vinci and then drew a few stick men on the top of the page, then... Well, I couldn't, it's graffiti. What he's done, to me, is audio graffiti. But never mind, I'm sure he won't be the last.
 
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Listen to the original here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ2ktH-iSxg
He only samples from the 1.59sec point to 2.07sec mark.
And its not like he's disrespecting Daft Punk. He even said himself that he prefers Daft Punk's original song and if you hadnt noticed, Daft Punk is in Kanye's video too.

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They're on the cover too.
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Of course they are, they'll be getting a fortune thanks to him!!

As I said above, to me, it's not about disrespecting the artist, but disrespecting the art. I'm sure if they're going to make a few million dollars from it, then they'll be fine with whatever he wants to do to the song. But it's desecration, to me.

But I won't pursue this because everyone has the right to buy whatever they want. If Pro Evo can be the same game for ten years then there's no harm in songs being the same for ten years as well. ;)
 
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