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VOTE to bring back "Shifting to attack" option and holding the defensive line

Discussion in 'Pro Evolution Soccer' started by Lami, 16 June 2017.

Bring back the "Shifting to attack" option and holding the defensive line

  1. Yes! Please put this back in! I want proper football! Let me have that option!

    101 vote(s)
    92.7%
  2. I like arcade football, but more options are better

    3 vote(s)
    2.8%
  3. I don't care either way

    5 vote(s)
    4.6%
  1. Lami

    Lami Niche Football Staff

    28 May 2007
    Sydney
    Man Utd, Vecchia Signora
    Hello everyone. I'm creating a poll about this on here and on Twitter after the many complaints so I can send it to the right people at Konami to hopefully be heard and help us make a difference. We are a very passionate PES community that has been around since 2001! Yes, we've been there from the start. Call us the OG PES community or whatever you want, but we've been here through thick and thin, and we're still here.

    We always want the best for our beloved PES. But here's the thing, we need to band together and make some noise. Individual tweets and the like won't make much of a difference. We need to show and prove we're a community wanting the same thing, not some random individual request. Same reason people create petitions on change.org to try make a difference and have their voice heard. This is why I'm creating this poll here.

    You want to be heard? Be serious about this and VOTE.

    Now that's out of the way, I've created this poll in response to the many complaints about end to end arcade football that's been in PES for a while now. There's nothing wrong about end to end football as it happens IRL, but it happens in context and due to certain tactics, and it doesn't happen constantly like it does in PES.

    In PES 2014, an option called "Shifting to attack" was introduced, and was a very good addition. It helped greatly halt/reduce the constant end to end games. It was a great option to have for those of us who were after a sim approach. See this video here made by @Matt10. It shows what a difference one option can do.



    This video is 4 years old, but is still very relevant today. That option you see in the video was taken out since. Watching this and watching the new PES 2018 videos, we can see the stark contrast in transitions from defense to attack in both games, because one had the "shifting to attack" option, and the other doesn't.

    Another one that we want to see fixed is the defensive line. That line has been broken for so many years now. I think it started when player tracking was introduced and wasn't properly implemented since. Defenders would track back their mark on the expense of holding a defensive line intact. Something should be done about the tracking mechanic that would let the AI know when to stop tracking a player once they see or "reach" their defensive line to hold it. Possibly add a team defensive line stat that would be properly or improperly held based on defensive teamwork. All teams try holding a good defensive line but not all of them succeed at it always, which sometimes lead to opposition break throughs as we see IRL that may lead to goals.

    We ask, as a community, to have these in for the sim-head fans that many of us are. So make sure you VOTE here and on Twitter (click the LIKE button) if you want to be heard and hopefully make this happen. Send to and share it with as many people as you can. If they can't vote here, they can do so on Twitter. I will leave a link to my twitter post below.

    P.S. This will not affect the arcade approach that some like. It is just an option that we can use to adjust the game the way we want it. It isn't enforced and won't hamper your arcade experience. One extra option that we had before definitely is good thing as seen above. The more options the better. So please vote for us as well for an additional option ;)

    Twitter link https://twitter.com/Lami_Z/status/875554644621230080

    Looks like I can't have the poll option there because I used twitlong. So please use the LIKE button!

    And please, don't tell me it's too late now and yada yada yada. I did the hard part writing this up (and obviously @Matt10 the most with his awesome video) and all you have to do is click a button. Let Konami decide.
     
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  2. Matt10

    Matt10 Champions League

    5 February 2004
    Thanks for this, Lami. I completely agree with everything you've said, and you have said it in such a manner, it would make no sense not to vote for the inclusion of this tactical feature. I can make a more updated video to compliment as well, if needed. Just say the word!
     
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  3. Lami

    Lami Niche Football Staff

    28 May 2007
    Sydney
    Man Utd, Vecchia Signora
    Thanks man.

    If it's not a hassle, and if it proves your point further, please do!

    Also if I've missed anything, please add more stuff about the defensive line and tracking if you can.
     
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  4. Matt10

    Matt10 Champions League

    5 February 2004
    Yes, I'll get a video out. I have one that details the positioning that I tweeted about, and is currently being edited, and will be uploaded shortly. The shift to attack would solve so much because it was my hope for the Att/Def levels to have a transition value (green) so positioning could regain it's composure for a split second.
     
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  5. MadbaLL

    MadbaLL Interista per sempre!

    11 February 2008
    "Curva Nord"
    Inter Milan
    pes 2014... such a pitty people gave up on this game so early... i liked this game more than pes 2015 and 2016.
     
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  6. aliheidari2520

    aliheidari2520 Championship

    25 July 2015
    Tehran, Iran
    barcelona
    great effort !
    hope it work and we can give useful suggestions step by step and year by year.
    I have many suggestion that can be made by dev team so easily, but have a sensible influence.
    but I keep them and concentrate on this first step this time.
     
  7. vialli82

    vialli82 League 1

    4 September 2005
    Juventus
    One question about this: does we need to select "shifting to attack" at every match for not having end-to-end games or the contrary?
    Because if we need to select this for every teams by default (including CPU) for not having "arcade" (don't think the word is well chosen) game, it will be real pain in the ass.

    The positionning should be strict and balanced att/mid/def by default.
     
  8. Panthera1

    Panthera1 League 1

    4 February 2004
    It would be a welcome addition if done right. The problem is the laser passing of the ai team. I think it was that game or maybe it's a few where the lower teams would pass the ball in there own half like barca and were a bitch to get the ball back off which lead to very boring unrealistic games. Its not that there aren't teams that play like that in real life but they really need to balance it. For it to be done properly you would need to be able to properly pressurise the ai team into making mistakes Anything for a more real experience
     
  9. Lami

    Lami Niche Football Staff

    28 May 2007
    Sydney
    Man Utd, Vecchia Signora
    It'll be just like it is in PES 2014, an option in the tactics menu or something. Yea we'll have to go into edit mode and do it for every team you want it done to. Well just like we're currently doing anyway editing all the teams to get the best out of the game.

    If it's up to me, I'd rather they gave us sliders to global-edit everything. But it doesn't look like they're doing that. But I'll add it as an "easier" suggestion when submitting this.

    I hope we get a lot of votes so I can send this poll with great confidence.

    Keep it up guys! VOTE.
     
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  10. Chris Davies

    Chris Davies At least, I think I am Staff

    14 May 2003
    Tranmere Rovers
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  11. Ameppe

    Ameppe SSC Napoli

    23 December 2007
    It was in Pes 2015.
     
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  12. GiogiPogi

    GiogiPogi Non-League

    1 September 2016
    Great work Lami and Matt, thanks for the hard work!
     
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  13. ianni

    ianni League 1

    16 September 2015
    Spain
    Real Madrid
    Great work, mates. I voted YES, of course. I play PES over FIFA because of gameplay. And thus, I want the most realistic gameplay we can get. And I think this is easy to implement. So, again, thank you for your work and let's try to do get this.
     
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  14. Ameppe

    Ameppe SSC Napoli

    23 December 2007
    Who is the guy who loves arcade football? For shame! :P
     
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  15. Chuny

    Chuny Misdirection Master

    If you really want this to be out there and payed attention to, you all must start tweeting @officialpes and @adam_bhatti (both) about this. Maybe link them here but in the body of the Tweet you should definetely say something as well to summarize what the link is about. You need to start a Twitter campaign. That's what they care about.
    Even create a HashTag maybe. If they see 50 people using that Hashtag, definetely they will pay attention to because it might hurt their sales.

    Edit: I saw the Tweet above now. I strongly believe we should get a Hashtag to use in every tweet related to this (even when tweeting THEM about it).
     
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  16. gabe.paul.logan

    gabe.paul.logan Data Collection

    7 January 2007
    Budapest
    Hungary
    voted!
     
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  17. gabe.paul.logan

    gabe.paul.logan Data Collection

    7 January 2007
    Budapest
    Hungary
    Okay indeed hacked this in the online tool. Found examples for almost all cases which still apply in PES 2017 too so i could tested it safely (well one extreme example i wasnt able to find but its pretty obvious what would be that like)and im very confident that this could be easily solved. Prepared an excel file and now im about to present it to the others. Fingers crossed.

    Btw MANY MANY teams are set up tactically to end to end. Im pretty sure most of the editors are unaware of the effect of the values.

    This pic i can share as it doesnt give any feature of the tool away...

    [​IMG]
     
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  18. Topaz

    Topaz Programmer/TheAwesomeGem

    21 October 2011
    United States
    Chelsea, Spain
    If we could have a global editor that could change the values of attack level/defense level of every team, that would be great!
     
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  19. Lami

    Lami Niche Football Staff

    28 May 2007
    Sydney
    Man Utd, Vecchia Signora
    Good idea. What do you have in mind? I don't want to use #FIXPES as I don't want it to sound like the whole thing is broken even though it looks like the most obvious one and easiest to use. Any good ideas? #MakePESBetter? #SimPES?
     
  20. Lami

    Lami Niche Football Staff

    28 May 2007
    Sydney
    Man Utd, Vecchia Signora
    Thanks gabe. I wish they just gave us these tools in game and get it done with. The casuals won't bother with it anyway and it's only the sim-headed guys who'll be ecstatic about it.
     
  21. Chuny

    Chuny Misdirection Master

    I actually tweeted them this link and used #PES2018SIM but #TacticsMatterToo or something like that. Needs to be catchy I think. Also, it's important to prevent them to use time as an excuse. There's plenty of time for developers to fix such an easy issue. They shouldn't leave it for next year. There are 4 months. Are devs on vacations already?
     
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  22. Chuny

    Chuny Misdirection Master

    I might have gone a little overboard?
     
  23. Chuny

    Chuny Misdirection Master

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  24. Lami

    Lami Niche Football Staff

    28 May 2007
    Sydney
    Man Utd, Vecchia Signora
    Haha is that you? Good on you. I guess pes2018sim sounds ok.
     
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  25. ianni

    ianni League 1

    16 September 2015
    Spain
    Real Madrid
    Bhatti will block us all.

    It's worth.

    EDIT: [​IMG]
     
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  26. Topaz

    Topaz Programmer/TheAwesomeGem

    21 October 2011
    United States
    Chelsea, Spain
    I forwarded this issue to Bhatti and this happened. That dude can't handle proper constructive criticism so I doubt this issue is going to be fixed. I guess he enjoys end-to-end basketball matches in football.

    [​IMG]
     
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  27. pacpes

    pacpes PES ♥

    5 August 2015
    Romania
    Chelsea FC
    Took you a while to get blocked! :LMAO:
     
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  28. ianni

    ianni League 1

    16 September 2015
    Spain
    Real Madrid
    Guys, we need to use the #PES2018SIM hashtag. C'mon!
     
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  29. kilay

    kilay International

    11 November 2016
    Great, that is really to fix.. the ugiest things are RED and PURPLE (purple less) but also others setup (that we can fix in hex)...

    check here and here

    of course , voted
     
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  30. Lami

    Lami Niche Football Staff

    28 May 2007
    Sydney
    Man Utd, Vecchia Signora
    Why? What did you say?
     

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