UEFA Champions League 05/06 Thread

Discussion in 'Football' started by Professor Nutmeg, 12 July 2004.

  1. Professor Nutmeg

    Professor Nutmeg ML Fanatic

    3 July 2002
    Master League
    Uefa seedings for the Champions League:

    1. Real Madrid
    2. Valencia
    3. Barcelona
    4. Manchester United
    5. Bayern Munich
    6. Deportivo La Coruna
    7. Arsenal
    8. Porto
    9. AC Milan
    10. Liverpool
    11. Juventus
    12. Internazionale
    13. Roma
    14. Lyon
    15. Chelsea
    16. PSV Eindhoven

    19. Celtic
    25. Rangers

    Arsenal and Manchester United have retained their place among the group of top seeds in the Champions League.

    But Liverpool and Chelsea will be in the pot of second seeds with the likes of AC Milan, Juventus, Roma and Inter.

    The seeding means Arsenal and United, if they qualify, will avoid holders Porto and Spanish sides Real Madrid, Valencia, Barcelona and Deportivo.

    Uefa changed their seedings to give more weight to how an individual club has performed in Europe in the past.

    Bayern Munich, Deportivo La Coruna, Porto join the Spanish trio, Arsenal and United in the top group of seeds.

    This means when the draw is made in Monaco on 26 August they cannot be drawn in the same group.

    But Real Madrid, Sir Alex Ferguson's team and Deportivo still have to win a two-legged qualifier first.

    Rangers, who also need to qualify, and Celtic are likely to be among the third pot of seeds.

    Uefa also revealed the draw for the third qualifying round of the tournament will see seeded sides drawn against unseeded teams.

    This means United and Liverpool will avoid major European rivals such as Real or Juventus as they seek to reach the final 32 teams.
    Last edited: 14 April 2006
  2. Vannizzlefashizzal

    Vannizzlefashizzal TWENTYTIMES!!!!

    31 October 2002
    Hmm interesting, we still have to qualify but we rank higher than any other english team so apart from having to qualify (which im not arsed about some of our best european seasons have come of the back of us having to qualify, including the season we won it.) finishing above us meant feck all ;) :D
  3. Professor Nutmeg

    Professor Nutmeg ML Fanatic

    3 July 2002
    Master League
    As last year's CL and this years Euro 2004 proved, seeding doesn't appear to mean much anymore. However, I do reckon the big guns will be back this time round. They're all bolstering their squads. Looking forward to it myself. Roll on the draw. :D
  4. loz

    loz Guest

    yeah i cant wait for the CL to start. I really hope ALL the British teams do a lot better than last year . . .
  5. ghazi

    ghazi Guest

    Are they borrowing a page of logic from FIFA? I dont agree with seeding based on past performance. This really screws with suprise teams that make a good run and dont have a grand history to fall back on.

    ManU getting top seed over Chelsea and Real being ranked #1 despite finishing 4th in La Liga. :l

    Seems fishy to me.
  6. Vannizzlefashizzal

    Vannizzlefashizzal TWENTYTIMES!!!!

    31 October 2002
    nah nothing fishy about it, its nothing to do with league placing its how well you've done in europe over a period of time, chelsea barely figure in europe so why should they rank higher than a team who are consistently in europe at that level.

    prof made a good point, look at all the semi finalists from last year, all no-hopers but still made it, so maybe the same will happen this year.
  7. biggertam

    biggertam Winning means Everything

    17 January 2003
    Dumbarton -Scotland
    typical uefa :roll: they should get rid of seedings it protects the big teams it would be much more entertaining.
  8. Gazz22

    Gazz22 League 1

    6 August 2003

    It didn't protect the big teams last season. :mrgreen:
  9. biggertam

    biggertam Winning means Everything

    17 January 2003
    Dumbarton -Scotland
    very true but the vast majority of the time it dose it would be better without seedings

    Man U
    AC Milan
    B. Munich.................................now that would be better.
  10. RuneEdge

    RuneEdge Silent Assassin

    1 October 2003
    Manchester United
    Yeah, That would be much better cuz then we have the overall best team from the past few years of each league.
  11. Dominic

    Dominic Serie A Staff

    19 August 2003
    Juventus, were overall better than AC Milan in serie A over the last couple of years(last 3-4 years).
  12. Vannizzlefashizzal

    Vannizzlefashizzal TWENTYTIMES!!!!

    31 October 2002
    your missing the point, it has nothing to do with the domestic leagues its based on European performances.
  13. hutch

    hutch Beaten by Chris Wright

    5 January 2003
    I don't see why it matters to be honest. If you want to win it, you're going to have to play the best teams at some point in the competition. If you're good enough to win it, you shouldn't really be bothered about who's in your group or whatever.
  14. ghazi

    ghazi Guest

    HAvent they just made it harder for little fish to succeed and easier for big teams to advance despite the fact they have come off disappointing seasons? :l
  15. Vannizzlefashizzal

    Vannizzlefashizzal TWENTYTIMES!!!!

    31 October 2002
    I see what your saying but how else could you do it, the little teams know their place in the scheme of things, thats what makes it so much better when they do well...
  16. Stasman

    Stasman League 2

    17 May 2003
    Yeah, but then you'd also get:

    Partizan Belgrade
    Club Brugge
    Lokomotiv Moskov

    Who on earth would watch that? We'd have 2 great groups, and 6 shit groups.
  17. Dominic

    Dominic Serie A Staff

    19 August 2003

  18. Rentalkid

    Rentalkid Premiership

    5 August 2003
    hutch already said it all. If you wanna win it, you have to compete against every team in your way, like Porto or Monaco did last season.
    And the system is optimized for ALL clubs. Ask the likes of Moscow, Kiev, Brugge and what else you consider "weaker" teams who they want to have in their groups? They WANT to play Madrid, ManU, Bayern a million times more than other B-rated sides, simply because it means full stadiums and way more money and prestige.
    What would the benefit of a group consisting of 4 top teams be? Nobody could guarantee thrilling matches and you'll have 3 or 4 crap groups as well.
  19. Vannizzlefashizzal

    Vannizzlefashizzal TWENTYTIMES!!!!

    31 October 2002
    why so cryptic, whats your point?
  20. biggertam

    biggertam Winning means Everything

    17 January 2003
    Dumbarton -Scotland
    a lot of ppl would....... that and the group i came up with are more open groups than say this.............

    Man U
    Real Madrid
    Club Brugge
    Partizan Belgrade
    .......i wonder who will get through from this group 99% of the time .........i wonder??????
  21. Stasman

    Stasman League 2

    17 May 2003
    But in the end you'll end up with weaker teams going really far, and only a couple of strong teams going through to the knockouts. Would make the knockout stages less exciting. The current system is fine, if the 'weaker' teams are good enough, they should be able to progress.
  22. Pistiuk

    Pistiuk Non-League

    16 May 2003
    Do you remember Old Trafford? :D
  23. Dominic

    Dominic Serie A Staff

    19 August 2003
    This is what you told me.

    But I reacted to this.


  24. fd1972uk

    fd1972uk ---------------------

    9 January 2002
    What a farce, what are Barca doing there, compared to teams who could embarass them with their recent Euro records.

  25. tupax

    tupax Konami Employee

    14 September 2003
    crap seeding... how the hell did AC milan manage to get all the way down there?? and barca up there?? depor dhould also be dropped a couple of places...
    seeding is a good concept but only if u do it right god damnit!
  26. RuneEdge

    RuneEdge Silent Assassin

    1 October 2003
    Manchester United
    You didn't get what I mean. I meant one team from each league that had the most success in europe compared to its rivals. Which means teams like Man Utd who had more european success than any other english team and Bayern Munich cuz they've had more success in Europe than the other german teams.
  27. Professor Nutmeg

    Professor Nutmeg ML Fanatic

    3 July 2002
    Master League
    First qualifying round - Second leg

    Match kick-offs are listed in local time


    Bohemians 19:45 Lev. Tallinn


    Shakhtyor 17:30 Nistru

    Ventspils 18:00 B68

    Dudelange 18:00 Ekranas

    Željeznicar 18:00 Pennarossa

    Shamkir 18:00 Tbilisi

    TVMK 18:00 ÍA

    Etzella 18:00 Haka

    Modrica 18:00 Santa Coloma

    Allianssi 19:00 Glentoran

    Karabakh 19:00 Banská Bystrica

    Žalgiris 19:00 Portadown

    Primorje 19:00 Marsaxlokk

    Dinamo Tirana 19:00 Otelul

    Longford 19:00 Vaduz

    Hafnarfjördur 19:15 Haverfordwest

    TNS 19:30 Öster

    Honvéd 20:00 MIKA

    Metalurgs 20:00 B36

    Sloga 20:00 Omonia

    Birkirkara 20:00 Partizani

    Banants 20:00 Illichivets

    Maribor 20:00 Sileks

    Dinamo Tbilisi 20:00 BATE

    Tiraspol 20:00 Shirak
  28. Professor Nutmeg

    Professor Nutmeg ML Fanatic

    3 July 2002
    Master League
    Wisla Krakow are in a commanding position in their UEFA Champions League second qualifying round tie against WIT Georgia Tbilisi after an 8-2 victory away from home.

    The Polish side are virtually in the third round of qualifying after the stunning first leg triumph, the foundations of which were provided by Tomasz Frankowski's four goals.

    Frankowski scored twice inside the opening five minutes to put Wisla in firm control before Tengiz Kobiashvili pulled one back for WIT.

    Damian Gorawski extended the advantage again on 25 minutes and Frankowski completed his hat-trick before the half hour mark.

    His fourth goal arrived on 55 minutes, after Georgi Adamia had pounced for WIT, and a double from Maciej Zurawski and one from Marcin Kuzba wrapped up the scoring.

    Shakhtar Donetsk are also in pole position to progress after the Ukrainian side won 3-1 away from home in their meeting with Punik Yerevan.

    Ciprian Marica put the visitors in to a first half advantage, prior to Rafael Nazaryan levelled matters on the hour.

    Marica's second on 75 minutes put Shakhtar back in front before Julius Aghahowa secured the success ten minutes from time.

    Danish outfit FC Copenhagen were another team to taste success on their travels as they ground out a 2-1 win over Nova Gorica.

    Alvaro Santos put FCK in front just before the interval, only for Alexander Rodic to equalise on 57 minutes. The crucial goal arrived on 69 minutes as Peter Moller gave the visitors the upper hand in the tie.

    Ferencvaros produced a roaring late comeback to snatch a 3-2 advantage from their trip to Albania to face SK Tirana.

    Szabolcs Huszti's penalty three minutes before the break for the visitors was cancelled out by a double from Devi Muka in the second half for Tirana.

    But with a minute remaining, Gentian Hajdari put through his own net to help Ferencvaros level and Huszti netted again in injury time to give the Hungarians the victory.

    HJK Helsinki failed to make home advantage count as they were held to a 0-0 draw by Maccabi Tel Aviv.

    CSKA Moscow will be confident of advancing to the next round after a 0-0 stalemate in Neftchi gave the Russians the slight edge.
  29. cfdh_edmundo

    cfdh_edmundo Maverick

    30 December 2002
    3rd round draw - 30.07.2004 - 12:00CET, think it might be on SkySportsTV or eurosports.

    It the draw Real Madrid, Man Utd, Rangers, Liverpool, Juventus, Benfica, Inter(?) Leverkusen(?) etc are in.

    Draw for the group stage proper is about a month away - 26.08.2004 - 16:00CET, in Monaco around the time of the super cup.
  30. foxtrot

    foxtrot Shoe bomber

    24 December 2002
    Glasgow, Scotland
    Rangers FC
    I'm still hoping Rangers draw Red Star. We've just bought their best midfielder.

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