The Retro-PES Corner

Discussion in 'Pro Evolution Soccer' started by miguelfcp, 19 April 2018.

  1. miguelfcp

    miguelfcp Premiership

    27 June 2009
    Recently I got back to a ML save on PES2011 PSP that I've been playing on and off for more than a year now. I'm doing the Deplorables Challenge of our ML Scenario Vault...:

    The Deplorables Challenge: This is my favourite of them all. I’ve done countless Deplorables challenges in the past and every single one of those saves is among my all-time favourites.

    Step 1 – Go to Edit Mode and search every club in the database. Choose a max. of 3 players from each team that you believe are not essential to them. You have to step in the shoes of the “manager” of each team to weed out whoever is not necessary for the present and future of the squad.

    For example, Team A has 4 goalkeepers in their squad: two really good keepers, one decent and a 17-year old kid. You can’t pick any of the 2 best keepers (the supposedly first-choice and the second-choice for the role) but you also can’t pick the worst in the squad which is the young kid, because if you were manager of that team you wouldn’t want to give away your young players who’ll be good in the future. Therefore, you’ll pick the decent goalkeeper since he won’t be necessary to a team which already has two better choices and a prospect for the future.

    I never choose players from teams who only have 3 goalkeepers, 4 centre-backs and 4 side-backs, 7 midfielders or 5 strikers. It’s a standard I came up with to ensure that team won’t really notice if I take their 5th best side-back or 7th best striker.
    If a player fits these descriptions, add them to you list, your "pool" of prospects to choose from.

    Step 2 – Depending on which PES game you’re using, after scanning the entire database you’ll have many players on your list:
    EASY MODE: Pick whatever players you want for your created team. You’re bound to have a quality squad if you pay attention to “deplorables” from the best teams of the world, some of those clubs have a tendency to accumulate too many good players in their rosters.
    After you start your save, you're free to buy/sell players at your will.
    HARD MODE: Set limits of player attributes to your chosen players. I usually use a rule of not picking Centre-Backs nor Keepers with +75 defense attribute, also nor strikers with more than 75 attack stat. Make up your own rules, the stricter they are, the harder the setting you chose for this challenge.
    HARDEST MODE: My favourite. This is Kings Mode within the Deplorables Challenge: can’t buy or sell players ever, so you have to stick with your Deplorables from day one to the end. You can only renew or terminate/let expire contracts and loan-out players.

    Step 3 – Create your club and choose the players you’ll take on your journey. Depending on whether you’re on Easy, Hard or Hardest Mode you need to make some decisions: if you’re on Hardest, given you’ll keep your roster until the end of the save it’s wise to choose a lot of young players; but you’ll have to find some balance and choose some more experienced players too if you want to have short-term success as well (crucial to climb out of D2 quickly). That balance is going to be key to define the level of success of your team over the years, so I advise you to take some time to carefully analyze the problem.

    (I'm playing it on the Hardest Mode)

    Season 1
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    Season 2
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    Season 3
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    Season 4
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    Season 5
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    After a great first season in which we got promoted from the D2 rightaway, our life in the D1 league has been far from easy. We were able to escape the bottom of the league from the start and slowly managed to establish ourselves as a Top-4 team in this kind of european superleague; however, we're struggling to reach the necessary level of quality that would permit us to fight for the title. We've been improving every year points-wise and as our roster is plateauing, I haven't yet understood whether we'll be able to keep on improving and eventually reach the 80 league points that would certainly be enough to fight for the D1 title.

    Furthermore, we haven't yet conquered any silverware besides the D2 League, and the time is now to do it - or else, in just 2/3 years most of our players will be +30-years old and will stop improving their stats, hindering our chances at conquering anything really.

    I'm midway onto S6 right now and while our participation on the league has been a bit disappointing, we're still on the D1 Cup and have clinched a spot on the Round of 16 of the CL for the 2nd year in a row, in our only second participation in this competition.

    Miscellaneous

    • A 4-3 win over AEK Athens on Season 3 in which I finished the match with 4 red cards!
    • On Season 5 we got our first Champions League participation and qualified for the round of 16, but then we lost against Manchester United. In that year, our league's Shakhtar won the competition!
    • Only once (S5) we were able to win the first elimination round of our domestic Cup, but we haven't won it so far.
     
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  2. geeeeee

    geeeeee Console not PC! Mods & patches mean nothing to me!

    2 May 2010
    London
    Tottenham Hotspur
    @mattmid i don’t think it affects other nationalities and you know what...i’m not even gonna bother looking because that will just take up more time.

    I have decided that i will change all Japanese and South Korean players to No Nationality so that it will give them realistic salaries especially with players like Son. I can still have them play for their country in WC’s etc.

    Actually that has made me think of something else. Do ‘No Nationality’ players still get called up to play for their country during ML making them miss games? Hmm...

    Yes i was sad when Redknapp left and especially Bale, Modric, and van der Vaart. If Poch does leave i know Spurs will crumble. For me he is the best manager that Spurs have had in my lifetime. I know he hasnt won anything but the competition is so tough now.
     
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  3. geeeeee

    geeeeee Console not PC! Mods & patches mean nothing to me!

    2 May 2010
    London
    Tottenham Hotspur
    Good stuff @miguelfcp it looks like a good solid challenge. Well done for getting promotion straight away. All the best in CL.

    I’m guessing when the players retire you can buy new ones?
     
  4. miguelfcp

    miguelfcp Premiership

    27 June 2009
    @geeeeee: I decided not to replace a player when he retires, so eventually it's going to be Game Over for me when the majority of my players end their careers. I still have a few years left before that happens, my oldest is 31 years old and I don't think I have any other player aged +30 besides that one.
     
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  5. slamsoze

    slamsoze Championship

    28 September 2010
    Do you remember guys an urban legend, back then in pes 3-6, where some players stated that some games in PC were performing better when you had the consecutive versions installed. For example i remember reading if forums much, when pes 5 came out,that users who installed pes 5 had better performance to pes 4 or vice-versa, like animations, gameplay, physics, gamespeed, fluidity were implemented from one version to the other! :P
    I believe the core of this myth was the "awkward" possibility KONAMI was offering through settings to inherit your editing, logos,emblems etc from a previous version to the next one, but due to the well known database inconsistencies and the weird pes Option File structure it never worked as it meant to be. I tried once between from pes 4 to pes 5 and once from 5 to 6, with complete failure! :P :P
    But i remember a placebo i had in 2006 October-November when pes6 first came out, and i fell for this urban legend too, going between pes5 and pes6 and trying both games simultaneously or by uninstalling the first and trying solo the second, then removing the second and trying the first solo. For a period i started to believe also that one version is borrowing gameplay stuff from the other.In the end i realized that it was my placebo and nothing more but it was very fun!!! :P :P :D
     
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  6. Hoshii

    Hoshii Never give up

    26 September 2018
    @slamsoze Too bad i did ignore football games for a looong time, so i can't chip in to your post. But, i recognize a tinfoil hat when is see one... In fact, i'm wearing one right now my self !
    All this talk here bout changing stats or "fixing" various stuff in the game made me quiet paranoid to be honest.

    :LOL::SHOCK::SHOCK::LOL:

    I'm currently watching the fella "Retro Football" his old PES 5 Master League Series on youtube, and i swear I can't wrap my head around that he literally plays the CPU teams INTO THE GROUND.Like it's a walk in the park!
    I'm following it with full disbelieve:
    And hey, maybe he is.. (cause he never shows the tactical screen where you should see the player fatigue and the arrows etc). But then again he plays on 6* difficulty which i haven't tried yet and he also uses a quiet unusual formation which seems to work wonders!

    I guess if a human wants to see something - he will see something...at some point. If it's true that's an other question :KING:
     
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  7. Madmac79

    Madmac79 Premiership

    11 September 2006
    Man, it's incredible this theory never took foot in my country (Italy)! We believe and spread some of the worse possible bullshits ever, this isn't even so bad in regard. If somebody ever heard of that by chance, anyway, I'm sure forums in my mother language would have CRAWLED with people installing the various Pes in different orders and manners, convinced that stuff actually changes.. or elaborating on it, inventing and claiming that even renaming the game's folder do have an effect and similar stuff.. I can see it all unfold in front of me :LOL:

    p.s. sorry for my disappereance from the corner but as a matter of fact I just don't have much drive to play at all lately (lately=last months). This is still a wonderful place and I hope you guys can keep it going. Might come back to narrate something if I find motivation again!
     
  8. Topaz

    Topaz Programmer/TheAwesomeGem

    21 October 2011
    United States
    Chelsea, Spain
    For anyone playing on WE9LE, my radar seems to be gone and I cannot make it reappear at all anymore. Does anyone know how to fix that?
     
  9. slamsoze

    slamsoze Championship

    28 September 2010
    What patches are you using?
     
  10. ISS1970

    ISS1970 Conference

    20 September 2016
    Am i the only one who wished they would make old pes games for the switch? I really have little time for console gamings, switch being really the only thing i have been using lately. I wish they had a decent football game though.
     
  11. slamsoze

    slamsoze Championship

    28 September 2010
    Why only old?cant switch support the current or the most recent PES?
     
  12. ISS1970

    ISS1970 Conference

    20 September 2016
    i don't like recent pes games...i wouldn't buy them in any console :-) apparently i am not the only one, sales are so bad you do wonder if they can keep making the game. Old pes on the switch would cost little to make and have a great potential in revenues.
     
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  13. slamsoze

    slamsoze Championship

    28 September 2010
    Yeah u read after your post about new games.One good remastered version for switch would be the We online version which was the PES 6 engine with PS3 graphics and lighting and power gauge in passing.
     
  14. miguelfcp

    miguelfcp Premiership

    27 June 2009
    @geeeeee: A question mate: where did you get the tactics/formations for the teams in your PES08 OF?

    See you in 2019 folks!
     
  15. geeeeee

    geeeeee Console not PC! Mods & patches mean nothing to me!

    2 May 2010
    London
    Tottenham Hotspur
    @miguelfcp i just get them from sofifa. I havent tried to make the tactics realistic like @Chenghis.Khan has done in his excellent thread as it would take too much time and the players stats and registered position that i used are from PSD and i know that Chenghis changed his ones to fit the formation and to make them play how they should.

    Let me know if you would like me to upload it for you?

    This is a link to the results from my first season in my ML https://www.mediafire.com/file/by53dkilmy6p49y/Master_League_2018-19.pdf/file

    My team is Canvey Eagles. I also wrote down the scorers from the CPU games to add to the realism and i added some first names to the ML default squad. A really poor firsr season for me :(

    Please let me know if there are problems opening it?
     
    Last edited: 2 January 2019
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  16. mattmid

    mattmid Premiership

    15 December 2011
    @geeeeee Download was fine, good reading :) A tough first season as usual with the defaults! :)

    I was just wondering as you managed to convert the Amador file onto PS are you able to do it the other way as well - convert this PS option file of yours to PC? It looks really good and if you could get it converted to PC I could probably load it into the editor and do a csv export and then jiggle that around a bit and import into the pes6 editor (as the PC version of PES2008 is pants(!) unfortunately)
     
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  17. miguelfcp

    miguelfcp Premiership

    27 June 2009
    @geeeeee: Very interesting, enjoyed reading it mate. Glad that you put the CPU transfers there, and am surprised to see quite a few realistic deals there - Ospina to Benfica, for example, is a actually a great idea for them in real-life...

    I'm checking out sofifa and it seems to be a great resource, it even has the tactical tendencies/instructions for each club...thanks for the suggestion, this is indeed great for editing.
     
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  18. geeeeee

    geeeeee Console not PC! Mods & patches mean nothing to me!

    2 May 2010
    London
    Tottenham Hotspur
    @mattmid and @miguelfcp yes i can try to convert the one i am using over the weekend and i will upload both PC and PS2 versions. Bare in mind that it is not fully complete.

    I did enough teams to start a ML (72) and many extra players but i am still going through the ‘Non-Affiliated’ players using a second option file (so as not to interfere with my ML) and there are many made up players that i have not heard of and many that are not on PSD. These players I have renamed as ‘FREE’ and changed their age to 15. So far there are about 110 of them and I still have about 20 pages of NA players to search through. Eventually I will use them when editing the rest of the teams.

    Also i changed all Japanese and South Korean players to No Nationality this is so they have a ‘realistic’ price in ML otherwise they are all 350 points.

    My plan with my ML was to list my players and their positions and ages before i posted the results but i got carried away. I started off really well playing on Regular and I was thinking i needed to up the difficulty but then it became so much harder.

    Licerio Ordaz, :), started off so well scoring 3 in 3 but then he struggled. Guttierez didnt even score and i struggled to find his best position. But i know that in time with training the stats will improve and the game will get better.

    What adds to the excitement and the imagination is adding the scores and scorers for the other teams. For example Charlie Austin’s equaliser for Southampton against West Brom in the 85th minute of the final match meant that both West Brom and Southampton failed to get promotion as Cardiff sneeked into second with a win. I worked out who scored from the Team Info page and just used a random number generator to give the time of the goals.

    Zamenhof (still forget how to spell his name) also played (hurrah) against Stoke as we got a 0-0 draw as we were trying out new formations. Stoke only had 2 shots though and none were on target.

    In the second season now and Bournemouth and West Ham have joined us from the EPL. My team is still poor though and a couple of times i have been really really bad in getting 3 players sent off twice because of losing. Funny thing is that in one of the matches i was 3-1 down and came back to 3-3 with 8 men. I know it will click eventually.

    Oh yes, also we bought Ollie Watkins who had no club but plays for Brentford in real life. He is doing ok but i hope he will do better and form a partnership with Licerio.
     
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  19. slamsoze

    slamsoze Championship

    28 September 2010
    Happy new Year to all retro-players.As i said before, my gaming laptop is "kaputt" the last months so my retro gaming is close to zero point. I have my old desktop,WinXp OS,decent but aged ,but it cannot anymore run any game smoothly, neither the HD modded pes games nor good emulators.
    So i am basically trapped in playing PS4 only modern games (PES17-18 and 2019) beside with the respective FIFAs 17-18-19. Despite the modern graphics and rosters, the whole experience is painfull from time to time.
    So i started to clear the dust from my old PC and my old!!!(by now) N3DS handheld console. As i was searching possibilities i remembered these versions of PES 6 and PES 2008
    It is like a mix of ISS series from KCEO and old gameboy footy-gameplay mechanics.It is a special situation here, cause we speak about NINTENDO and KONAMI, two companies that do not loose any chance in money grabbing. Despite the gameplay of these two game ,maybe was bearable back then, but if you revisit it now from a Retro perspective, it seems that the two well-known companies just tried to manipulate the momentum of PES series back then and just grab some money from Nintendo handheld console owners. For sure it is not only KONAMI to blame ,as in that platform (NDS-N3DS), nintendo never tried to achieve the max potential of the consoles. Games like J-RPGs with older engines or old platform games ran very well and fluid but other games like FPS-action/adventure and sports were very bad implemented.

    Furthermore searching in wikipedia about the last version of PES in NDS i found this info about KONAMI's philosophy, which i copy-paste directly from wikipedia and spot them in BOLD font. It depicts pretty well what problems concern KONAMI and what are their priorities

    "Pro Evolution Soccer 2008[1] (PES 2008, known as World Soccer: Winning Eleven 2008 in Asia, sometimes called World Soccer: Winning Eleven 11 (PS2), only in North America) is an association football video game in Pro Evolution Soccer series by Konami. The game was announced on 18 June 2007. Its title is different from the other Pro Evolution Soccer games in that it is of a year and not a version; this was due to EA Sports' FIFA series naming their titles with two digit numbers (i.e. 07, 08) and in conclusion would seem that PES was a year behind FIFA (to non-fans which had no knowledge of the previous games of the franchise!!!!). It was released for Windows, Wii, Nintendo DS, PlayStation 3, PlayStation 2, PlayStation Portable, Xbox 360 and mobile phone. The game sold 6.37 million units worldwide"
     
  20. mattmid

    mattmid Premiership

    15 December 2011

    A clean sheet? I'm impressed! His dad will be proud (if anyone can get hold of him to tell him) Look forward to the option file and seeing if I can transfer it over to pes 6. Might even dust off the pc version of 2008 and... what am I saying!?

    This is a better example of Charlie Austin :LOL:

     
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  21. geeeeee

    geeeeee Console not PC! Mods & patches mean nothing to me!

    2 May 2010
    London
    Tottenham Hotspur
    :LOL:
     
  22. Titch

    Titch Premiership

    4 October 2004
    I had a dream about editing PES again which must be a sign :D
     
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  23. Hoshii

    Hoshii Never give up

    26 September 2018
    Hey if we post clipse i might as well post this. I came across Senderos in PES 5 and i remembered this.

    Cheers..... :LMAO:

     
  24. Madmac79

    Madmac79 Premiership

    11 September 2006
    @geeeeee would love for you to share your OF for the emulator as well, seems like a gigantic work. I tried many times to convert other OF for Pes 2008 myself but I was never able to.
     
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  25. geeeeee

    geeeeee Console not PC! Mods & patches mean nothing to me!

    2 May 2010
    London
    Tottenham Hotspur
    Hi guys, here is my PES2008 PS2 option file...

    http://www.mediafire.com/file/5qkua11c6x63h5g/54913_9370_NEW_FILE.max/file

    This one below may work for PC but i am not 100% sure...

    http://www.mediafire.com/file/u6pmzu9qs3d7usg/54913_9370_NEW_FILE.xps/file

    Remember this is not complete but it has enough teams and players for a good ML. Here is the list of the teams that i use and are complete...The Retro-PES Corner

    I have increased Stamina by 5 to players that are registered as SB’s.

    I have changed South Korean and Japanese players to No Nationality so that they have a realistic price in ML rather than 350.

    Let me know how you get on. If it works or not?
     
    Last edited: 8 January 2019
  26. geeeeee

    geeeeee Console not PC! Mods & patches mean nothing to me!

    2 May 2010
    London
    Tottenham Hotspur
    My team is finally starting to click in my ML. I have still only won 1 game in the league after about 12 matches but i can feel the team getting better as their stats improve.

    We knocked Bournemouth out of the Div 2 Cup. The first leg was 0-0 and in the 2nd leg a red arrow Castolo scored a header from a dropping ball that the GK 9.9 times out of 10 normally catches. Then they equalised and it looked like they were going through by the away goal rule until deep into injury time Guiterrez played a through ball into Castolo and he placed it past the keeper.

    We played Swansea in the league. When we first met they came back from 1-0 down to win 4-1. This time we were 2-0 up at half time with our record signing Ollie Watkins with a brace and finally starting to show us why we bought him. But at the start of the second half he was hacked down and injured and we had to replace him with Ordaz. Another reason why i love retro PES is that these sub plots appear in game courtesy of my imagination. It was as if Swansea were told to injure him because he played so well in the first half and Ordaz just didnt have the same impact. Suddenly it was 2-2 and the game was on a knife edge. Both teams having chances but not able to finish. Finished 2-2.

    Still bottom of the table but i feel the team is clicking.
     
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  27. miguelfcp

    miguelfcp Premiership

    27 June 2009
    @geeeeee: The session variance in PES08 is absolutely obvious, it's great. I can tell you that after 8 seasons of my ML save I still had no idea what kind of match I'd be playing next, it always gives you a fresh experience. If there's scripting, it's Hollywood-tier anyway...
     
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  28. geeeeee

    geeeeee Console not PC! Mods & patches mean nothing to me!

    2 May 2010
    London
    Tottenham Hotspur
    @miguelfcp yes i think scripting is there but it is very subtle and stat based. For example Ivarov last season was making some good saves but also not able to hold on to the ball which lead to goals which you could call scripting. This season he is holding on to the ball a lot more and i have more confidence in him.

    Also i played the semi final 1st leg against Southampton and they were 3-0 up in about 30 mins. I quit in a hissy fit (not something i would normally do but have been suffering from a cold and was a bit irritable). I started it up again and i concentrated more and the game finished 1-1. Feel bad about quitting if i am honest but at least i know that i was not destined to lose the match like on newer PES’
     
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  29. Madmac79

    Madmac79 Premiership

    11 September 2006
    @geeeeee unfortunately I can't download it from mediafire, been tryin' since days, don't know if it's my connection having problems with the site or what, since I already had problems in the recent past. If the link is fine for everybody else as I suspect I will ask a friend this evening to try and DL it for me :THINK:
     
  30. geeeeee

    geeeeee Console not PC! Mods & patches mean nothing to me!

    2 May 2010
    London
    Tottenham Hotspur
    @Madmac79 hmm... that’s strange what error message comes up?

    Does anybody else have this issue?
     

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