The PC Building Thread

Discussion in 'Other Games' started by Scutch, 8 October 2011.

  1. spektarm

    spektarm Premier League

    6 October 2006
    Manchester United
    Unless you're going to be doing heavy overclocking, the stock cooler (Wraith Prism) that comes with the 2700x is actually really good, dare I say fantastic if you don't OC.

    If you do intend to overclock, the best of the best air coolers would fit into your budget - Noctua NH-D15 is renowned for its superb cooling efficiency and silent operation, only downside is that it looks horrendous imo. :D The be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 is basically the same, only it looks way better.

    At about half the price I've heard really good things about the Thermalright Macho (Rev. B) and the Scythe Mugen 5 (Rev. B).
     
  2. Placebo

    Placebo Ԁlɐɔǝqo

    3 May 2003
    La Manga Del Mar Menor, Spain.
    Sheffield Wednesday
    I probably will OC at some point but not right away, and yeah that's the decision I pretty much reached the the Noctua's seem to be about the best option but for now I'll stick with the stock cooler until I know what clearance etc I have in my case for a better cooler.
     
  3. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
    The best air coolers are Noctua or Be Quiet

    Air coolers are silent and now produce temperatures that are nearly identical to water coolers, and after owning a water cooler I really can't recommend due to the noise they produce.
     
  4. Placebo

    Placebo Ԁlɐɔǝqo

    3 May 2003
    La Manga Del Mar Menor, Spain.
    Sheffield Wednesday
    The CPU/RAM/Mobo all arrived today and the good news is it all installed perfectly, booted first time, cloned my OS to the new NVME which also booted perfectly, bad news is I later realised Amazon sent the wrong RAM, they send me F4-2400 not F4-3200, so have a replacement order arrive on Tuesday and for now will use this RAM then return it when the new RAM is installed, that's why I only buy from Amazon, any other store would take forever to resolve such a problem and probably insist I return the RAM first before they send a replacement.
     
  5. Is OC really necessary? Does it get you that much of an advantage even though you're pushing it to the edge?
     
  6. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
    Never overclocked a GPU personally, as seen it brick a couple of cards in the past.

    I overclock my CPU though and always have done, you don't really notice it till you got back to stock clocks and notice that everything takes longer to load.

    I have a i7 7700K, it has a turbo clock of 4.5Ghz - Mine runs at 5Ghz that is per core effectively giving the CPU a 2Ghz overclock.
    If you overclock your system now use it for a week and then go back to stock clocks you will instantly notice a difference.
     
  7. spektarm

    spektarm Premier League

    6 October 2006
    Manchester United
    Looking at your signature, you've gone for the K version of your CPU and the Z version of your motherboard - buying those basically means you'll be overclocking, that's why they're available. If you're using the K version without overclocking, you've theoretically wasted some money because you could have gone for the cheaper non-K version and had the same performance as you currently do.

    Quite similar is the case with the Strix as well (although it can't be said about every card), they tend to have good cooling and are generally overclock-able.
     
  8. I didn't really know what I was getting.
    I just knew the Kaby Lake was the Intel's lastest processor (at the time) and that Motherboard was a good one too.
    But I have never overclocked anything. I wouldn't even know where to start tbh.
     
  9. Placebo

    Placebo Ԁlɐɔǝqo

    3 May 2003
    La Manga Del Mar Menor, Spain.
    Sheffield Wednesday
    Correct RAM just arrived and I slapped that sucker in!

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  10. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
    I done a benchmark on my machine and got the following results:-

    Novabench Score: 2679
    26/11/2018 18:46
    OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro
    CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K running at 5GHz
    GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti

    CPU Score
    1110

    Float Ops: 211924857
    Integer Ops: 1754782568
    Hash Ops: 1771991

    RAM Score - 16GB (Corsair Vengence 3200 RAM 2x8GB)
    284

    RAM Speed: 30605 MB/s

    GPU Score
    1061

    Direct3D11: 177 FPS
    OpenCL: 12585 GFLOPS
    Disk Score
    224

    Write Speed: 1522 MB/s
    Read Speed: 2156 MB/s

    I am a little surprised mainly by your SSD being faster than mine considering they are the same.
    The CPU score is clearly defined by number of cores and shows the poor performance of Intel chips using multi-core programs.
    Would be interesting to see how the new Intel chips perform, given they are now have 8 cores.

    The results clearly show though it is probably about time I upgraded my processor - The CPU score would be in the low 1000 if it wasn't overclocked (Might even be under 1000)
     
    Last edited: 26 November 2018
  11. Placebo

    Placebo Ԁlɐɔǝqo

    3 May 2003
    La Manga Del Mar Menor, Spain.
    Sheffield Wednesday
    I'm sure Novabench isn't the best benchmarking app I just don't really hold much stock in benchmarking so did a google and grabbed this one! At least it shows I've doubled the performance of my 8350 system which is what I was really aiming for with the upgrade, interesting that the same GPU scores better, not sure if the PCI-E slot is faster in this new motherboard or simply that the mobo/cpu/ram combo just utilises it much better but I'm certainly not complaining!
     
  12. PRO_TOO

    PRO_TOO Team Heffernan

    25 May 2003
    Rego Park, Germany
    Team Heffernan
    alright. can someone please help me on that one!?
    500 euro budget for a computer only, capable of playing PES2019 in 4k/60fps

    my question, as i am not up to date with these days hardware, what CPU and what GPU are best for the money. 16GB of RAM ill get myself, HDD aint a problem too, mainboard advice could also be helpfull, and a case incl. cooling i can get myself.
    so all i need is advice on a good processor and gfx card that lasts for at least the next 3 PES! :)
    if there is a super duper offer for a fuly configured computer that fits my demand, please tell me!

    thx in advance!

    ps: i got a little bit hungry for @Chuny's gfx mod and the other editing stuff that is available. :D
     
  13. rivaldinho

    rivaldinho League 1

    9 September 2003
    Real Madrid
    I'd be interested in this info too but a small form factor as would like it to take up less space
     
  14. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
    TBH I have not played PES on PC for years, so don't know how graphically intense it is but will judge it by FIFA.

    I think for a 500E budget it is potentially going to be a struggle at 4K, so what most likely need to get a GTX 1060 or AMD equivalent to get 4K @60FPS..

    Processor wise, going down the AMD route is best and the 2600X is probably more in the available budget and provides best performance.
    Motherboards I would stick with ASUS, MSI are also meant to be pretty good, but in my time of building PC's for a living always had no end of trouble with Gigabyte boards - Although this was years ago, I still don't trust them and would never buy one personally.

    The ASUS Prime boards are normally the high end boards before getting to the ROG boards, and normally have the same important features, like same power phasing - Japanese/Korean resisters and not cheap Chinese ones which are on most boards under £100.
     
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  15. Shooto

    Shooto Champions League

    16 April 2002
    Paisley
    Anyone recommend a site that I can put in a budget and it tells me all the parts to buy?

    I'm too lazy to read up on all the various parts.
     
  16. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
    Just state your budget Shooto and let me know what you want it to do?
    And what you currently have, as you will probably be able to re-use the same products.
     
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  17. *aLe

    *aLe International

    30 August 2005
    Lombardia
    Emilia-Romagna
    I'd also be interested in what you come up with.

    I've been slowly expanding my PC over the years: I've added SSD storage and currently I have two Crucial MX500 SSDs running together in an IcyDock module (which I bought for cable management purposes) which provide more than enough storage space, I proceeded to add more RAM (currently 12 GB of triple-channel DDR3 RAM), and to upgrade the video card (that R9 270X deal was too good to pass on)... But the "heart" of it is still that old i7 920 CPU I bought in late 2009 with an ASUS P6T motherboard, so I thought I would start considering an upgrade of everything (apart from the storage maybe: I could easily move my IcyDock with the disks to the new cabinet, but I must admit I'm pretty tempted by NVMe storage at the moment).
     
  18. Shooto

    Shooto Champions League

    16 April 2002
    Paisley
    Bsmaff, That would be awesome!

    I am giving my current Pc to my son who has just started college, so pretty much starting afresh.

    Budget of £1.5 - £2k but that will need to include OS & Monitor too. Keyboard and mouse I can pick up.

    Been looking at gtx 1080 bundles but I'm a software guy rather than knowing the ins and outs of all the components.
     
  19. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
    Well if anyone is interested, I have a 7700K and Asus Prime motherboard I am willing to sell for £300.

    It is all overclocked to 5Ghz, so if you have a decent cooler you would be able to keep the overclock.
     
  20. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City

    I will have a look at stuff but given the very large budget, you would have no problems getting a 1080ti machine with an i7.
     
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  21. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
    Changed my order..

    Ended up with an i7-9700K and a Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO.

    Went against everything I believe in when it comes to motherboards, but every review site stated it is the best board under $300.
    The other boards I was looking at were the ASUS Z390 Prime-A and ASUS ROG Hero.
    My heart wanted the ASUS Hero, but didn't want to go against the reviews of multiple websites, so listened to my head.

    Being Gigabyte I hope it lasts longer than my previous ones.
     
    Last edited: 3 December 2018
  22. Placebo

    Placebo Ԁlɐɔǝqo

    3 May 2003
    La Manga Del Mar Menor, Spain.
    Sheffield Wednesday
    Asus 3 year warranty, Gigabyte 1 year warranty, MSI 1 year warranty, that for me is the most crucial part of choosing a motherboard these days.
     
  23. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
    Well I didn't really look into the warranty, but most Gigabytes die before a year is out and the ASUS boards didn't review very well.

    Every site I visited said the Gigabyte is by far the best board and purchased from Amazon, so should get decent warranty through them if it does fail.
     
  24. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
    First Gigabyte motherboard, I have bought for about 10 years this week.

    I would never buy again, yes they review quite well and give out of the box performance.

    But the BIOS is a complete mess, it is really difficult to find the correct overclocking settings.

    Asus boards are so much better in terms of BIOS and being able to configure them better.

    Really regret buying the Gigabyte and knew from the start I should of stuck with what my head was saying and get the ASUS Prime or Hero XI
     
  25. Placebo

    Placebo Ԁlɐɔǝqo

    3 May 2003
    La Manga Del Mar Menor, Spain.
    Sheffield Wednesday
    As a budget board for someone that never wants to touch the bios they're kinda ok but that's about it.
     
  26. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
    The thing is the Gigabyte boards aren't budget..

    But there BIOS is a mess, I will be looking to see if I can send mine back as faulty as bought from Amazon and then buy either the ASUS Prime or Hero XI
     
  27. Placebo

    Placebo Ԁlɐɔǝqo

    3 May 2003
    La Manga Del Mar Menor, Spain.
    Sheffield Wednesday
    I'd be shocked if Amazon don't let you return it even without prime their customer support is second to none IMO.
     
  28. spektarm

    spektarm Premier League

    6 October 2006
    Manchester United
    Your post where you said you'd be ordering it, is from December 3 2018. Amazon has a 30-day return policy which is even extended to January 31 2019 around Christmas time. You can return it without there being any defects or malfunctions (i.e. without a serious reason) within that window.
     
  29. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
    That is why I bought it from Amazon.

    Just a pain that I will have to rebuild the system again, although only take 20-30 mins.

    My old motherboard and processor end on eBay tonight, so depending on how much that sells for will decide if I get the Hero XI or the Prime.

    But ASUS are still the way forward, and will never buy a Gigabyte again, no matter how good the reviews.
     
  30. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
    Done it bought the ASUS ROG Hero XI Wifi board as only 1p more to get the Wifi over the other board.

    Will now very happily send the board back to Amazon and get a refund on it.

    NEVER BUY GIGABYTE!!
     
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