The PC Building Thread

Discussion in 'Other Games' started by Scutch, 8 October 2011.

  1. Coopz

    Coopz Retired Footballer

    27 April 2002
    Thanks mate. I'll get it then :)
     
  2. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
    I would get it at £265, can't really argue at that price.
     
  3. Coopz

    Coopz Retired Footballer

    27 April 2002
    Cheers for the advice lads.

    I got it today and am very happy with it :)
     
  4. Coopz

    Coopz Retired Footballer

    27 April 2002
    Guys i need more help lol

    When I upgraded earlier this year I went cheap so have older tech. I've got an i5 3570k and need to OC it so I need a motherboard capable of doing it.

    I have found someone selling a Gigabyte Z68X-UD5-B3 and someone may be selling a Asus P8Z77VLX2.

    The price normally for these are ridiculous for their age at £120+ but I may be able to get one at half that. It's looking more likely that it will be the Gigabyte I may be getting but is it worth getting a Z68 chipset or should I hold out and wait for a Z77 chipset?
     
  5. Thespeedster84

    Thespeedster84 Champions League

    4 October 2010
    Jakarta City
    The asus one has better review at newegg.. That's my easy reference when i need quick insight on some pc peripheral :PP
     
  6. Coopz

    Coopz Retired Footballer

    27 April 2002
    Thanks ill try and get hold of the Asus one :)
     
  7. Coopz

    Coopz Retired Footballer

    27 April 2002
    Do all you guys overclock your GPU?

    I just wondered how much of an increase in FPS you see if you do.
     
  8. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
    Never done GPU overclock, due to issues in the past with pixilation and other issues. But GPU's might be a lot better at overclocking compared to the last time I tried.

    It is apparently incredibly easy to do though.

    However if you do decide to overclock, you will see an increase of 10-15% on FPS if you overclock a 1070/1080, but it all depends if you think the extra boost is worthwhile.
     
  9. Coopz

    Coopz Retired Footballer

    27 April 2002
    From what I have been reading they say it's kind of a waste not to overclock as its a free performance boost with no ill effects when its set up properly.

    If you push it too far you will get crashes and pixelation like you mention but you just back it off a little until that stops and that's your OC.

    It is really easy to do as well, I've been playing about with it. You can just add 100-150mhz to the core clock without doing anything else if you want and get a little boost without even touching the power limit or voltage.

    So far I have upped the power limit by 10% and put 150mhz on the core clock and 500mhz on the memory clock and am getting an extra 5 FPS on the Valley benchmark. I'm gonna have more of a play and see what I can get out of it adding a bit of voltage, the good thing is that MSI afterburner has a limit to what you can do so you should have no fears of damaging your card.

    I'd give it a go if I were you, you might get lucky and get a great boost out of it.

    Edit: Put the wrong settings i have at present
     
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  10. Coopz

    Coopz Retired Footballer

    27 April 2002
    So the max i can get is +155 mhz on the core clock and +520 mhz on the memory clock and that gets me 6.4 extra FPS, a 11% boost.

    It'll do for free.

    I guess I was an unlucky one in the "silicon lottery" as I've seen banded about lol as it's quite low.
     
  11. Sami 1999

    Sami 1999 Noob

    28 June 2015

    Maybe its a waste to not overclock. But only if you plan to keep your GPU for 4 years.

    If you plan to keep the GPU for the entire console generation [like 7-10 years] then its better to stay at stock clocks. Less chance of killing the GPU faster.
     
  12. Coopz

    Coopz Retired Footballer

    27 April 2002
    I ended up just keeping mine at stock anyway in the end lol
     
  13. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
    Well least you know you can do it and get a nice boost when you need it, but my 1070 runs every game I play fine.

    I won't overclock mine and will just upgrade as soon as the GTX 270 comes out, which should be next year sometime.
     
  14. Chris Davies

    Chris Davies Chief PESsimist Staff

    14 May 2003
    Tranmere Rovers
    Looking for a bit of PC advice please chaps!

    I finished Divinity Original Sin on the PS4 only to discover that the sequel is PC-exclusive (at the time of writing). I had an ancient PC in the loft so I thought, it's not doing anything, why not get it down for a laugh.

    When I say "ancient", it's seven years old... It's an ASRock P45TS motherboard with one of the highest processor specs it will support (quad core but I can't remember specifics*) with 4GB of DDR3 and a Radeon HD5770. I believe the PSU is a Corsair 550W.

    *EDIT: It might be the Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650.

    Anyway, to my absolute shock, it runs Football Manager 2018 beautifully at 1080p, and it runs Divinity Original Sin 2 at something like 1366x768.

    The hard drive died after a couple of months so I got myself a teeny tiny 100gb SSD for £50, and that made a huge difference to loading times etc... But now I'm starting to play more often, and I'd love to up the resolution.

    What are the chances of a video card upgrade being enough to let me run a game like Divinity Original Sin 2 at 1080p at 30fps?

    I'm never going to play blockbusters on the PC - only stuff like Football Manager, Jack Nicklaus Perfect Golf and Divinity Original Sin 2. It's not worth building a new PC for, and I haven't got that money to drop anyway (and I doubt I'd get much money if I sold my current setup).

    I'm just looking at the GTX 750, GTX 760 and the GTX 1050, which I'm reading are good budget buys (with the 1050 being the "1080p standard" but I think that's just begging for a bottleneck). I don't want to run everything on "high", let alone "ultra" - I just wanted to get to 1080p with a solid frame-rate.

    Also, where's the best place to buy from?

    Thanks guys!
     
    Last edited: 26 February 2018
  15. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
    Looking at the CPU it is near the equivalent of a 2nd Gen i3, so although not great with a decent GPU it will run games in 1080p - Probably feels a struggle playing FM on it compared to more modern CPU's.. My laptop takes an additional 2-4 hours to complete a season compared to my main PC as the CPU takes so much longer to process in-between fixtures.

    A 1050 gets a lot of different opinions from people - They are pretty much capable of running most games at 1080p on MED/HIGH settings, which is pretty much what you want.

    For half the money you could purchase a 960 GTX on eBay - Looking around you can pick one up for around £50 - £60 and they perform on average 15% faster than a 1050 and about 2-3% faster than a 1050TI.
     
  16. Chris Davies

    Chris Davies Chief PESsimist Staff

    14 May 2003
    Tranmere Rovers
    The 760/960 has become my focus after realising this, but preferably the 960 given they're less power-hungry.

    Where are you seeing them for £50-£60 though?! I'm trying on eBay but not getting close to that, I saw a 760 go for £70 last night and was sort-of kicking myself.
     
  17. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
  18. gabe.paul.logan

    gabe.paul.logan Golden Boot Winner

    7 January 2007
    Budapest
    Hungary
    [​IMG]

    Im investing in a new PC. What do you think?
     
  19. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
    I see your purchasing an ITX motherboard for a Mid tower case..
    Is there any reason for that? As ITX boards are normally a lot more expensive than other boards.

    Without checking prices of latest processor prices at the moment, I would probably consider getting a new 8th Generation Coffee Lake CPU, rather than an old Skylake CPU - performance wise your looking at an increase of 10-20% difference in CPU performance.

    After buying one recently I would also ditch the old style SSD, and get a Western Digital Black NVMe SSD.
    I recently bought the 970 EVO M2 NVMe SSD, my computer is booted before the screen is even turned on, and I have noticed a slight improvement in Windows too. - Statistically they are 5x faster than normal SSD's, although this isn't the reality.
     
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  20. gabe.paul.logan

    gabe.paul.logan Golden Boot Winner

    7 January 2007
    Budapest
    Hungary
    Thanks for the tip.
    Got my new PC for a litte bit more than 800EURs yeserday. Spared no expenses. It runs Wildlands on ultra butter smooth, also it works perfectly for 3d rendering.
    It is here in its box ready to go i just have to fire it up when i have some time.

    Also i have to find some place for it as i cant keep it on the floor as it will suck in all the dust.
     
  21. Placebo

    Placebo Ԁlɐɔǝqo

    3 May 2003
    La Manga Del Mar Menor, Spain.
    Sheffield Wednesday
    Howdy Folks, Folkettes and Folkx's!

    Don't think I mentioned it on here but I'm planning a Ryzen Black Friday upgrade (my long beloved AMD FX 8350 is finally being retired). My current Amazon cart:

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    The RAM is a placeholder, I'll finalise the specific make/model during Black Friday (my only criteria is 16/32gb 3200+ Samsung B-die). I don't want to spend more than around 800 EUR in total so depending on discounts (or lack thereof), I may drop the SSD to 500gb and the RAM to 16gb.

    I want to limit my purchases to Amazon, preferably Spain as I have Prime but I'm not against ordering from another EU Amazon if the price is better inc Postage. Advice/feedback welcomed :)
     
  22. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
    Nothing wrong with the spec.

    The Ryzen processors now give so much more bang per buck than Intel, it is now near impossible to recommend an Intel chip to anyone.

    Myself personally I have a 256GB 970 M2 EVO as a boot drive, OS and applications and a separate 256GB 970 PRO M2 SSD for games.
    You have the M2 NVMe drive and I would keep to that, they are noticeably quicker than the old SATA SSD drives.

    RAM is a question do you think you will notice the difference between 16 and 32GB, I can't it seems 16GB is the current sweet spot at the moment, so if it helps budget at the moment upgrade when you feel you need too.
    I used to have 32GB, but bought it when RAM was cheap a year+ ago and sold it for £75 profit when RAM went stupid in price and TBH I can't tell a difference between 16GB and 32GB.
    But then I am also not doing loads of video production or similar in Adobe, so probably the reason why I can't tell any difference.

    In regards to pricing, I don't know how Amazon UK compare to Amazon Spain, but I know RAM has been coming down in price recently.
     
  23. Placebo

    Placebo Ԁlɐɔǝqo

    3 May 2003
    La Manga Del Mar Menor, Spain.
    Sheffield Wednesday
    Gah wrote a long reply and the browser froze :(

    Yeah only just discovered NVME last night, massive speed difference over SATA SSD so definitely getting one of those as big as I can afford, prefer to have two so I can split the OS&Apps and Games but I'm not sure if I could fit two on the motherboard and still have the GPU running at optimal speeds.

    Regarding the RAM I am seeing more and more games using 10-12gb and that doesn't leave masses for background processes and/or the OS so if I can find the right Samsung B-die deal then I'll go for it, 32gb would also give me the option of a RAMcache which could be useful for some games, I'm open to 2x8gb now, we'll see :)
     
  24. Placebo

    Placebo Ԁlɐɔǝqo

    3 May 2003
    La Manga Del Mar Menor, Spain.
    Sheffield Wednesday
    Regarding Amazon prices, I use this very handy site: https://www.heidoc.net/amazon/amazon_global_check.php does price checks of the EU Amazons and you can set up price drop alerts and things like that.

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    That's comparing the RAM I'm currently looking at, UK is slightly cheaper but delivery price would probably balance it out.
     
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  25. spektarm

    spektarm Premier League

    6 October 2006
    Manchester United
    Just beware that while SATA SSD vs NVMe speeds differ quite drastically in theory, you won't really notice, unless you're doing some heavy-duty video editing or data transfers. If you're using your PC for everyday and gaming purposes, the SATA SSD is the better choice imo (at least currently), as you can basically get a 1 TB for the price of a 500 GB NVMe.
     
  26. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
    Buying an M2 SSD isn't just about performance, yes real world isn't that much difference.
    I noticed my PC boots faster with an NVMe, but probably more placebo than actually happen.

    I prefer them as they make the system a lot cleaner, no wires going all over the place it means I have two less SATA leads and can remove a whole SATA block from my modular PSU which makes cable management much easier and pleasing on the eye.
     
  27. spektarm

    spektarm Premier League

    6 October 2006
    Manchester United
    Yeah that's the big positive at the moment, it is indeed a lot cleaner. If you are on a budget and want to get a bigger SSD, you could save some money by getting an M.2 SATA SSD (instead of a M.2 NVMe) and still have the nice little module with no cables. They usually cost only ~5 EUR more than their normal counterparts.
     
  28. Placebo

    Placebo Ԁlɐɔǝqo

    3 May 2003
    La Manga Del Mar Menor, Spain.
    Sheffield Wednesday
    All parts ordered:

    AMD Ryzen 2700x - 194.21 EUR (From Amazon.it no idea if flash sale or glitch but it's a crazy price last night and was back to 340EUR not long after my order went through!)
    Asus Prime X470-PRO - 169.80 EUR
    Gskill F4-3200C14D-16GVR RAM - 211.40 EUR
    Samsung MZ-V7E1T0BW 970 EVO 1 TB - 211.83

    Total: 787.24EUR

    I think the only final thing I might order is an All in One water cooler, should be good to go with the rest :)
     
  29. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
    I don't know if water coolers have improved since I bought mine, but I would stick with a decent air cooler.
    The noise of the fans and radiator are not worth the extra 5c cooling you get - One of the biggest mistakes I ever made buying my water cooler.
     
  30. Placebo

    Placebo Ԁlɐɔǝqo

    3 May 2003
    La Manga Del Mar Menor, Spain.
    Sheffield Wednesday
    I went with this All-in-one which has good reviews:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/DEEPCOOL-C...729666&sr=8-2&keywords=DEEPCOOL+Captain+240EX

    I got it from Amazon Spain and I have Prime so I could change my mind and have them come collect it at no cost to me :)

    Edit: On second thoughts reading a couple of reports of it leaking maybe I'll err on the safe side and stick with aircooled. Order cancelled!

    So can you recommend an aircooler for max £70-80 (around 80EUR) please?
     

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