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The "Oranje" Dutch national team thread- Argentina - Ivory Coast - Serbia&Mont

Discussion in 'Club Threads' started by pk9, 9 December 2005.

  1. pk9

    pk9 Did you Say BOOTS - Pk

    9 January 2004
    in the boots thread
    Lille, de oranje!
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    Hey fellow oranje supporters, the last thread was lost with the archive stuffs, as the draws kinda confirm that the world cup is almost officially open we need a thread to discuss the draws, friendlies on the way, players going and not going and general news regarding the the national team and the eredivisie!


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    official link -

    http://www.knvb.nl/
    http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/w/team/overview.html?team=ned


    main news - R.I.P to david di tommasso who passed away last week!

    http://www.evo-web.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=27368






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    the draw for the group stages are held tomorrow wots in store for the oranje


    well here it is

    Group C
    Argentina
    Ivory Coast
    Serbia and Montenegro
    Holland



    world cup kits

    The pics:

    away & home:
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    away:
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    home:
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    And this is the logo that is used (couldnt find detailed pics of logo on shirt):
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    Preliminary Squad

    From sky sports


    The Dutch have a hugely talented squad, but face no easy task as they have been drawn alongside Argentina, Ivory Coast and Serbia and Montenegro in Group C

    Van Basten's 33-man party:

    Keepers: Patrick Lodewijks (Feyenoord), Edwin van der Sar (Manchester United), Maarten Stekelenburg (Ajax), Henk Timmer (AZ).

    Defenders: Khalid Boulahrouz (HSV Hamburg), Wilfred Bouma (Aston Villa), Giovanni van Bronckhorst (Barcelona), Tim de Cler (AZ), Urby Emanuelson (Ajax), Kew Jaliens (AZ), Jan Kromkamp (Liverpool), Joris Mathijsen (AZ), Andre Ooijer (PSV), Barry Opdam (AZ), Ron Vlaar (Feyenoord).

    Midfielders: George Boateng (Middlesbrough), Mark van Bommel (Barcelona), Phillip Cocu (PSV), Edgar Davids (Tottenham), Nigel de Jong (HSV Hamburg), Denny Landzaat (AZ), Hedwiges Maduro (Ajax), Wesley Sneijder (Ajax), Rafael van der Vaart (HSV Hamburg).

    Forwards: Ryan Babel (Ajax), Romeo Castelen (Feyenoord), Klaas-Jan Huntelaar (Ajax), Dirk Kuyt (Feyenoord), Martijn Meerdink (AZ), Ruud van Nistelrooy (Manchester United), Robin van Persie (Arsenal), Arjen Robben (Chelsea), Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink (PSV).
     
    Last edited: 21 April 2006
  2. PLF

    PLF Legend

    2 August 2004
    Re: The "Oranje" Dutch national team thread - Road to the world cup 2006!

    Hopefully not Iran! :D

    lol I hope we don't get Holland/Sweden or Czech in our group because they are teams from Pot 2 and yet probably equally as strong if not better than the so called Top 8 seeds like Italy/Mexico! So if you do get them you're probably screwed if you're in a position/strength Iran is and have a mountain to climb/aim for!

    So I hope to avoid my other fav team beside Iran which has always been Holland since I was a kid and Kluivert and Bergkamp were my idols :) and to hopefully meet them in knock out stages (haha dreaming! :mrgreen: but you know what dreams happen all the time and it's not impossible)
     
    Last edited: 9 December 2005
  3. gerd

    gerd Retired Footballer

    8 January 2002
    Over the moon
    KRC Genk, Spurs
    Re: The "Oranje" Dutch national team thread - Road to the world cup 2006!

    PLF, i have a funny feeling that Iran and Holland will be in the same group...just like in 1978: Holland - Iran - Scotland - Peru (well the last two will not play the WC in 2006).

    Concerning Holland: Van Basten is a class act as coach too...
    I hope there will be no incidents among the players this time (which is often the case with the Dutch team in big tournaments).

    As a Belgian i will be a fan of the Dutch team, unlike most of my fellow Belgians i really like Dutch football and Holland in general...good luck!!!
     
  4. joostebrood

    joostebrood Premiership

    4 March 2002
    Re: The "Oranje" Dutch national team thread - Road to the world cup 2006!

    I'm pleased with the way van Basten has given Dutch football its face back. It's not even the way we're playing, it's the vibe around it. I'm not too convinced if we can hang in there with the best teams in the world, but the mentality around the team is certainly great. If it was up to me I'd play like this:

    Goal: Van der Sar
    RB: Lucius
    CB: Boulahrouz / Ooijer
    CB: Mathijsen / Opdam
    LB: van Bronckkhorst / de Cler

    LM: Robben
    CM: Cocu
    CM: Landzaat
    RM: van der Vaart / van Bommel

    CF: van Nistelrooij / Makaay
    CF: van Persie

    As you can see, a few options are open. There's a lot of options anyway. There's also Davids, Sneijder, Affelay, Aissati, Kuyt, Emmanuelson and Babel who I really like. It's tough, but I'm a big fan of this 4-4-2 instead of our famous 4-3-3. I only think that works when you have 2 wingers with Robben's quality. The formation pushes to the left too much when Robben plays, that leaves not much room for surprises. With an equally good right winger we wouldn't have that problem. Maybe S. Kalou can be that man. Certainly not Yildirim, Denneboom or whoever had a chance in the recent past.
     
  5. Milanista

    Milanista Mangiamoli! Staff

    19 December 2002
    London & Milan
    AC Milan
    Re: The "Oranje" Dutch national team thread - Road to the world cup 2006!

    Bring back Clarence!
     
  6. gerd

    gerd Retired Footballer

    8 January 2002
    Over the moon
    KRC Genk, Spurs
    Re: The "Oranje" Dutch national team thread - Road to the world cup 2006!

    Good post Joost. I totally agree about the vibe you mention...Van Basten is becoming someone with the charisma/influence/sacrosanctity of Cruijff.
    And about 4-3-3:
    Ajax is becoming a victim/prisoner of his 4-3-3 system...
    There are couple of unknown (to me at least) players you mention in your post.
    For which clubs do players like Denneboom, Boulahrouz and Landzaat play???
    Landzaat= AZ67???
     
  7. Milanista

    Milanista Mangiamoli! Staff

    19 December 2002
    London & Milan
    AC Milan
    Re: The "Oranje" Dutch national team thread - Road to the world cup 2006!

    Boulahrouz is at Hamburg with VDV.
     
  8. joostebrood

    joostebrood Premiership

    4 March 2002
    Re: The "Oranje" Dutch national team thread - Road to the world cup 2006!

    Gerd, Denneboom plays for NEC, Yildirim for Heerenveen. At first van Basten really wanted to have 2 wingers who had the same way of playing as Robben does. With Kuyt he has a decent alternative, but it's just not optimal in my view. Aissati and Affelay are 2 talents playing for PSV. Especially Aissati has a bright future I feel. He's only 17, but his passing and intelligence is amazing. I dare to say he's the best Dutch talent at the moment.
    Also, van Persie has just signed a mega contract for Arsenal. It seems they're really pleased with him there. Maybe the English members can give their view on that.
    You're right about Ajax Gerd, it's my favorite team, but they're doing it all so very wrong right now. The only players who have potential are Babel, Emanuelson and Maduro. Some good players leave transfer free after this season (Trabelsi, Maxwell, de Jong, Pienaar). Altough I must add Pienaar and de Jong aren't great players, they're decent. Maxwell has been replaced by Emanuelson who does a good job so far and Trabelsi will probably be replaced by Heitinga who I'm hoping to see back to his old form.
    Landzaat plays for AZ Gerd, he's their defensive midfielder, very smart player. Real Madrid were interested in him last season. He's already 29, but he has developed himself into a great player. Lacks speed though and seems to lose control at times when the spaces get small.
     
    Last edited: 9 December 2005
  9. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Banned

    12 February 2005
    London
    Re: The "Oranje" Dutch national team thread - Road to the world cup 2006!

    I ain't got nothing to look forward to! :(

    But i hope Holland draw with Ivory Coast. ;)
     
  10. pk9

    pk9 Did you Say BOOTS - Pk

    9 January 2004
    in the boots thread
    Lille, de oranje!
    Re: The "Oranje" Dutch national team thread - Road to the world cup 2006!

    yup superb post

    wot of castelan, he played well against england

    i wud put kuyt and maakay ahead of van persie

    i wud also like to see quincy and vlaar go for the experience!
     
  11. Milanista

    Milanista Mangiamoli! Staff

    19 December 2002
    London & Milan
    AC Milan
    Re: The "Oranje" Dutch national team thread - Road to the world cup 2006!

    Vlaar was a disaster against Italy.
     
  12. Big Boss

    Big Boss KJH = The Hunter!

    23 July 2003
    The Netherlands
    Ajax & Strasbourg
    Re: The "Oranje" Dutch national team thread - Road to the world cup 2006!

    True, we need to wait a bit with Vlaar and see how he does the rest of this season. I am totally for Ooijer in the starting eleven btw, van Basten hasnt given much chance so far, but he has been ace for psv in the champions league, and has the experience mathijsen/opdam/boulah lack.

    My personal favourite formation would be:

    Gk: vd Sar
    Rb: kromkamp, lucius (hard to choose, both not that great)
    lb: gio
    cb: ooijer
    cb: mathijsen
    dmf: cocu
    cmf: davids
    amf: vd vaart
    rw: kalou, kuyt (depends if the stupid minister will give kalou dutch nationality)
    cf; Ruud
    lw: Robben

    PK9, have u seen quincy vs Ajax? Quincy is overhyped after 1 great game in the u20 wc. He has potential but shouldnt be in the national team yet.
     
  13. pk9

    pk9 Did you Say BOOTS - Pk

    9 January 2004
    in the boots thread
    Lille, de oranje!
    Re: The "Oranje" Dutch national team thread - Road to the world cup 2006!

    yeah i like quincy's fancy skills that why i am saying he shud go the experience, expose them to wots its like when u reach the top!


    my top youth picks are

    affelay
    babel

    and yeah the dutch defense is not exactly the strongest "stam pls u can come along as defensive coach"

    we shud not place all the emphasis on ruud!
     
  14. Dominic

    Dominic Serie A Staff

    19 August 2003
    Netherlands
    Re: The "Oranje" Dutch national team thread - Road to the world cup 2006!

    vd Sar
    Lucius Ooijer Bouma Kromkamp
    Van Bommel Cocu VDV
    Van Galen
    Makaay Robben

    Very unlikely, but I think these are the best players.
     
  15. pk9

    pk9 Did you Say BOOTS - Pk

    9 January 2004
    in the boots thread
    Lille, de oranje!
    Re: The "Oranje" Dutch national team thread - Road to the world cup 2006!

    Wow, i think we can say that we need to get in more steel and experience after wat we have just be give to handle in the world cup!


    this is gonna be real tough, wow is all i can say!


    Group C
    Argentina
    Ivory Coast
    Serbia and Montenegro
    Holland

    wow, wat did we do to deserve this lol
     
  16. PLF

    PLF Legend

    2 August 2004
    Group of Death! Was so happy when my team avoided this group I couldn't be more joyed! :)
    Best of luck to Holland but thi will be TOUGH!!!!!!!
     
  17. gallardo10

    gallardo10 River Plate

    12 March 2004
    ahaha we are going to beat netherlandds!
     
  18. pk9

    pk9 Did you Say BOOTS - Pk

    9 January 2004
    in the boots thread
    Lille, de oranje!
    i was thinking we cud have had cameroun and spain(unseeded) whoa!
     
  19. chelsea_fan

    chelsea_fan EPL LEAGUE

    3 December 2004
    northpole
    chelsea fc
    cameroon arent in the world cup!! lol

    do u think the Dutch, can beat my Argentina?
     
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  20. pk9

    pk9 Did you Say BOOTS - Pk

    9 January 2004
    in the boots thread
    Lille, de oranje!
    yeah i know i was looking are tougher scenarios lol

    am sure we can give argentina a game at least but we will need more steel in defence and midfeild! (this was exposed by italy)
     
  21. joostebrood

    joostebrood Premiership

    4 March 2002
    It's a tough group. What's positive for Holland, is the fact that these are 4 countries who are willing to play football instead of hoping not to concede a goal. I'm very curious how things will go in this group, it could become the most interesting group of the tournament.
     
  22. ghazi

    ghazi Guest

    best of luck, brothaz. My buddy is a Oranj fanatic, and he and i were thinking of betting on whether the US or the Dutch would do better.

    With both in difficult groups, this should be a helluva ride.
     
  23. mampi

    mampi Non-League

    10 July 2005
    Holland
    Last edited: 12 December 2005
  24. Joystick

    Joystick Deep like Titanic

    10 August 2004
    London
    The Arse
    How good is Sneijder? He's a player I've picked out for years to go on to big big things with one of the European heavy weights, but he never seems to set the world alight. Is he just really loyal to Ajax?

    RVP is burning up for us at the moment, so glad he's extended his contract. Could be one of the emerging stars this summer.

    Quicny less so, he's a bit like C Ronaldo a coupla seasons ago, all trix and not a lot of end product at the moment. He could well come good tho, his dribbling is occasionally mesmirising.
     
  25. joostebrood

    joostebrood Premiership

    4 March 2002
    Sneijder is a very good player. He seems to be able to play at a higher pace than other players and I don't mean he is a quick player. His 2 foot passing ability combined with his short turning and great technique gives him the possibility of raising the pace at any level. With Ajax he's surrounded by mediocre players and I think it's best for him to go to a good club in another country. A bit like van der Vaart.
     
  26. PLF

    PLF Legend

    2 August 2004
    Let's not forget to mention the man is also as two-footed as a player can get!

    Apart from him, Camel Meriem of Monaco and few others there is not that many player who are this much two-footed not to mention none are really young but have learn to use their weaker foot almost to perfection like Nedved or Zidane.

    Sneijder being the youngest and among most two-footed player in world maybe that I can think of right now.
     
  27. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Banned

    12 February 2005
    London
    Re: The "Oranje" Dutch national team thread - Road to the world cup 2006!

    :)

    Hope Ivory Coast can get through this group.
     
  28. ghazi

    ghazi Guest

    Djimi Traore has proven to have two left feet. I think he may be the only one in the world with such a claim. :mrgreen:
     
  29. PLF

    PLF Legend

    2 August 2004
    :lol:
     
  30. Dominic

    Dominic Serie A Staff

    19 August 2003
    Netherlands
    I do not think it was forgotten:

     

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