The Christmas Thread!

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Maybe a pair of these?

Must be for me then. At least I can have fun unwrapping them.
 
Wishing you all a Merry and Blessed Christmas !!!

Christmas as it has become known today:
It has become associated with Santa Claus, Snow-men, gifts,
shopping, discounts at stores, parties, drinking, etc....

The true meaning of Christmas:
The Birth of Jesus Christ
God who loved the world so much gave His only begotten Son
Jesus Christ so that whosoever may believe in Him will be
saved from eternal death.
God sent His Son Jesus as a man to this world so that he
died to take the punishment of all our sins. If you truly
believe in Him, then you will be saved.
He came as a man, and died, and after 3 days was resurrected
by the power of God, and He lives for ever in Heaven.
He will return with Great power in the last days to judge the
world...

Why do we all need Jesus as your savior?
http://www.newlifetoday.com/

http://www.jesusfilm.org/languages/index.html
 
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Merry Christmas everybody.

PS: originally, long before the birth of Christ, Christmas was a heathen celebration day known as "joule".
 
PS: originally, long before the birth of Christ, Christmas was a heathen celebration day known as "joule".

Well it was'nt Christmas then....but some pagan celebration....and just because that day was being used by pagans...does'nt mean Christians should postpone the actual Christmas to some other day.
 
Wishing you all a Merry and Blessed Christmas !!!

Christmas as it has become known today:
It has become associated with Santa Claus, Snow-men, gifts,
shopping, discounts at stores, parties, drinking, etc....

The true meaning of Christmas:
The Birth of Jesus Christ
God who loved the world so much gave His only begotten Son
Jesus Christ so that whosoever may believe in Him will be
saved from eternal death.
God sent His Son Jesus as a man to this world so that he
died to take the punishment of all our sins. If you truly
believe in Him, then you will be saved.
He came as a man, and died, and after 3 days was resurrected
by the power of God, and He lives for ever in Heaven.
He will return with Great power in the last days to judge the
world...

Why do we all need Jesus as your savior?
http://www.newlifetoday.com/

http://www.jesusfilm.org/languages/index.html
matthew how do you feel about the newlife leader in colorado(haggard)? In my eyes he is a complete and utter hippocrite, and it shows you how weak some of his arguments about gay marriage are and gays in general... Did this piss you off, or do you just slag it off as the devils work?
 
Csaunders:
Did'nt really know about Haggard until I googled about him after reading your post.
Well if he was opposing gay-marriage/homosexuality so much
and then doing the same thing, ....then yes it's hypocritical.
But I don't want to judge him, there are many people
including you and I who may be hypocritical in smaller things.
Let God be the judge, for He knows the truth.

I'm not sure what you mean about being pissed off ?
Haggard being shown up as a hypocrite does not mean anything
to me....it only goes to prove how fallible man is.
It would be wrong to think that we are better than he is.
Every man commits sin in some way or the other.
At the end of the day we all fall short of God's perfect standards, be it Haggard, Saddam or Bush or myself or you.
We still need a Savior to save us from judgement.
God looks at our heart, do we have the heart to confess
our sins and try not to repeat it.
If we think we are good enough to go to Heaven on our own
by relying on our own works, then we're doomed.
If Haggard truly confessed his sins and repents, and believes
that Christ will save him, then God will save him.
Same goes with all of us.
There is only one way to God, and that is through Jesus Christ.

Regarding Haggard's arguments about gay marriage, I don't know
to what extent he has opposed them.
His being a hypocrite has weakened his own personal stance.
But it's like saying, a person opposes drugs,
and then later on is found being a drug-addict himself.
That does not mean it's ok for everyone to do drugs since
one person is proved a hypocrite.

Personally I look at God's Word in the Bible that
tells me all I need to know about gay-marriage/homosexuality:
You can see for yourself at :
Romans Chapter 1 (verse 18-32) Look at verses 24-27
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans;&version=31;

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.
29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,
30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
 
Well it was'nt Christmas then....but some pagan celebration....and just because that day was being used by pagans...does'nt mean Christians should postpone the actual Christmas to some other day.

Scientists are all divided by the birth of Jesus Christ. Noone knows for sure. Even in the centuries after Jesus.
The Romans put the birth of Jesus on 25-26 dec. because it was a popular pagan celebration those days. That way the knife cuts on boths sides: the Romans made it easy for the population to adapt to Christianity. Also there was/is now a date for the birth of Jesus. The whole Western calendar is a mix of pagan and christian rituals.
Correct me if I am wrong, but thats they way I learned it.

Hope you lot all had a good christmas!
 
Csaunders:
Did'nt really know about Haggard until I googled about him after reading your post.
Well if he was opposing gay-marriage/homosexuality so much
and then doing the same thing, ....then yes it's hypocritical.
But I don't want to judge him, there are many people
including you and I who may be hypocritical in smaller things.
Let God be the judge, for He knows the truth.


I'm not sure what you mean about being pissed off ?
Haggard being shown up as a hypocrite does not mean anything
to me....it only goes to prove how fallible man is.
It would be wrong to think that we are better than he is.
Every man commits sin in some way or the other.
At the end of the day we all fall short of God's perfect standards, be it Haggard, Saddam or Bush or myself or you.
We still need a Savior to save us from judgement.
God looks at our heart, do we have the heart to confess
our sins and try not to repeat it.
If we think we are good enough to go to Heaven on our own
by relying on our own works, then we're doomed.
If Haggard truly confessed his sins and repents, and believes
that Christ will save him, then God will save him.
Same goes with all of us.
There is only one way to God, and that is through Jesus Christ.

Regarding Haggard's arguments about gay marriage, I don't know
to what extent he has opposed them.
His being a hypocrite has weakened his own personal stance.
But it's like saying, a person opposes drugs,
and then later on is found being a drug-addict himself.
That does not mean it's ok for everyone to do drugs since
one person is proved a hypocrite.

Personally I look at God's Word in the Bible that
tells me all I need to know about gay-marriage/homosexuality:
You can see for yourself at :
Romans Chapter 1 (verse 18-32) Look at verses 24-27
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans;&version=31;

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.
29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,
30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
wow, you must not watch the news much! He was all over it because he was Bushs direct consel on evangalisim. I think the fact that you quote the bible as your basis for banning gay marriage or condenming acts of homosexuality is a major weakness in your argument. For instance, what if im an atheist and I dont beleive in your bible, then who are you to tell me that being gay is wrong? This is why religion has no place in politics. Go ahead and do whatever you want in your church, but keep your beliefs there and only there, dont force your beliefs on everyone else. And this goes back to haggard, here is a man, seeping into politics, claiming marriage is only between a man and woman, being a homosexual is not natural and against gods will. yet here he is getting blow jobs from a male hooker and trying to get as much meth as he can... Participating in illegal acts and acts he wants to deem illegal, yet he now hides behind his god and his bible because as you stated


"Every man commits sin in some way or the other.
At the end of the day we all fall short of God's perfect standards, be it Haggard, Saddam or Bush or myself or you.
We still need a Savior to save us from judgement.
God looks at our heart, do we have the heart to confess
our sins and try not to repeat it."

So if the above is true, why dont churches leave it up to god to decide if homosexuality is wrong? Why not wait until homosexuals have lived there life and they will face judgement when they get to god? See my point, to me its one big hipocracy... Instead churches try to impose there will and beliefs in the name of god, and then when there leaders become only human, they once again hide behind there god..... Why hasnt hagard been chastised by his church? Why hasnt he been ostracised? Isnt this what god did in the bible when someone had wrongend him? Didnt he send them to hell? Why dont they treat haggard like they do other homosexuals? I really cant beleive you never heard of this guy..
 
wow, you must not watch the news much! He was all over it because he was Bushs direct consel on evangalisim. I think the fact that you quote the bible as your basis for banning gay marriage or condenming acts of homosexuality is a major weakness in your argument. For instance, what if im an atheist and I dont beleive in your bible, then who are you to tell me that being gay is wrong? This is why religion has no place in politics. Go ahead and do whatever you want in your church, but keep your beliefs there and only there, dont force your beliefs on everyone else. And this goes back to haggard, here is a man, seeping into politics, claiming marriage is only between a man and woman, being a homosexual is not natural and against gods will. yet here he is getting blow jobs from a male hooker and trying to get as much meth as he can... Participating in illegal acts and acts he wants to deem illegal, yet he now hides behind his god and his bible because as you stated

No I don't watch much news nowadays.
How can quoting the Bible be a major weakness ?
I believe in God's commandments and laws which are clearly
stated in the Bible.
For me that is very important.
If someone is an atheist, and they don't want to listen
to God's laws/commands, then that is their choice.
May God open their eyes.
The Bible clearly states that those who do not believe in God
will go to Hell after death.

BTW, I'm not shoving it down anybody's throats.
I'm just airing my beliefs.
You're the one who chose to ask me questions,
and ask my opinion on Haggard.
Everyone has a free opinion, so do I.
If you want to approve gay marriages and support it, then
that is your choice
All I can do is warn anyone that by ignoring or not believing
God's word, then a person is risking eternal judgement.
May they repent and return to God while there is still a chance.

You're saying that I should keep my beliefs in Church.
Let me tell you one thing....why don't people who support
gay marriages keep it within their homes...why do they want
to force the Laws to change to accept their "marriages".

Tell me one thing, if gay marriages are normal, then explain
to me why it's natural for a man and woman to marry and produce
children....tell me why can't two men produce children...
why can't two women produce children?
The reason for having children, to have descendants, to prolong the
human race....
If everyone were gay, we would all die and become extinct.

Tell me , look at man and women, and the wonders of childbirth,
and tell me that this was some kind of fluke......you really
think these things just kinda happened or we evolved from apes..
Look at the intelligence of human-kind, the complexity of creation, the majesty of creation, the beauty, the balance,
the love between human beings, all this did not happen by
some gigantic cosmic fluke....there is a God who created this
in His mercy. And His laws are real and to be followed. His Laws are real,
and His judgements are real.

I'm not even defending Haggard or his church. Not every
church truly represents Christ or God.
Sure there may be a lot of hypocrisy....and the Bible says they
will also face judgement if they do not follow God's laws.
God is not partial to anyone, because every man starts
at the point of Zero. Our basic nature is to sin....
it is only by accepting Jesus Christ's sacrifice will we
be justified, sanctified and saved from Hell.
A person can call him/herself a Christian, but if they don't truly accept Christ
in their heart, and if they keep breaking God's commands without any repentance,
then Hell awaits the person.

Haggard obviously had no right to tell people anything since
he himself was doing so.
Not every Church or Priest represents true Christianity.
So you should not generalize them.
The Bible states that there will be many who claim to be
Christian but are not true Christians at heart
....there will be Churches who claim to be of Christ, but they don't follow His commands.

You're saying that religion should be kept out of politics,
let me ask you why should that be so?
God created man, why should man keep God out of his affairs?
There is such a drastic push towards keeping God out of the schools, govt, etc...
By allowing non-Godly things into human affairs, that is when
we bring forth our own downfall.
If anything, by following God's commands we prevent chaos.

"Every man commits sin in some way or the other.
At the end of the day we all fall short of God's perfect standards, be it Haggard, Saddam or Bush or myself or you.
We still need a Savior to save us from judgement.
God looks at our heart, do we have the heart to confess
our sins and try not to repeat it."

So if the above is true, why dont churches leave it up to god to decide if homosexuality is wrong? Why not wait until homosexuals have lived there life and they will face judgement when they get to god? See my point, to me its one big hipocracy... Instead churches try to impose there will and beliefs in the name of god, and then when there leaders become only human, they once again hide behind there god..... Why hasnt hagard been chastised by his church? Why hasnt he been ostracised? Isnt this what god did in the bible when someone had wrongend him? Didnt he send them to hell? Why dont they treat haggard like they do other homosexuals? I really cant beleive you never heard of this guy..

Regarding the nature and extent of sins (murder, lies, stealing, adultery, envy, anger, pride, lust, sexual perversion/homosexuality, etc,etc)
these are clearly specified in the Bible.
God clearly tells us what must be avoided....it can't get any more clear than that.
But God also tells us not to judge other people.
It is a duty of any Christian or Church to make people aware
of the breaking of any of God's laws if the offender is not
aware of it. We can inform them, advise them, pray for them.
But we can't judge them.
If somebody sins against us, we should forgive them.
Just because God punishes those who sinned against Him, we have no right
to do the same against people who wrong us.
If we forgive others, then God forgives our sins.....
No human is without sin, therefore he needs God's forgiveness. Which means
we cannot judge and condemn others.
Jesus clearly says that we should forgive others, love one another.

So if a church comes out and opposes Gay marriages, but in
a peaceful way, then it's OK. As long as they're not hypocritical.
It would be wrong on their part to sit quietly and watch
the Laws being changed to support non-Godly acts.
The least they can do is peacefully inform and warn people
about God's laws and judgements.
If someone sins, but truly repents, then the Church should also forgive.
 
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