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Spanish Football Thread 10/11

Discussion in 'Football' started by Gedtillo, 4 October 2005.

  1. Gedtillo

    Gedtillo Mediocentro defensivo

    13 July 2004
    I'd like to ask your opinion on this subject. The last ten years Spain has always had a solid team, with very good players, but has lacked the consistency needed to perform well at a major event. WC 2002 was a very good chance, had it not been for Ghandour Spain would've passed through (though the same can be said for Italy) to semis, and I think they were way better than Germany at that moment. However, though having experienced and talented players, they're always struggling to get past quarter finals. As of now, I think this team is very good, very very young, but has some experienced players that can lead a winning side.

    What do you think about this team? What would be your Spanish lineup? Mine would be:

    (Starting // Sub)

    GK: Casillas // Reina

    RB: Salgado // Puyol
    CB: Puyol // Pablo
    CB: S. Ramos // Marchena
    LB: Del Horno // R. Bravo

    CMF: Xavi // Guti
    CMF: Xabi Alonso // Albelda
    RW: Joaquín // Valerón
    LW: Reyes // Vicente

    FW: Raúl // Tamudo
    FW: F. Torres // Morientes

    Player by player it is a very sold team... maybe better than the German or Dutch, but then they never win anything!
     
    Last edited: 4 October 2005
  2. IceMan_Bergkamp

    IceMan_Bergkamp Total Football

    9 December 2002
    London, Toronto
    Arsenal
    Re: Spain: Too young? Not good enough? Bad luck?

    I think this was the best team spain produced.

    1982 World Cup..

    1 GK Luis ARCONADA 26 Jun 1954 Real Sociedad
    2 DF Jose Antonio CAMACHO 08 Jun 1955 Real Madrid
    3 DF Rafael GORDILLO 24 Feb 1957 Real Betis
    4 MD Miguel Angel ALONSO 01 Feb 1953 Real Sociedad
    5 DF Miguel TENDILLO 01 Feb 1961 Valencia
    6 DF Jose Ramon ALEXANCO 19 May 1956 Barcelona
    7 FW JUANITO Gomez 10 Nov 1954 Real Madrid
    8 MD JOAQUIN Alonso 09 Jun 1956 Sporting Gijon
    9 FW Jesus Maria SATRUSTEGUI 12 Jan 1954 Real Sociedad
    10 MD Jesus Maria ZAMORA 01 Jan 1955 Real Sociedad
    11 FW Roberto LOPEZ-UFARTE 19 Apr 1958 Real Sociedad
    12 DF Santiago URQUIAGA 14 Apr 1958 Athletic Bilbao
    13 DF Manuel JIMENEZ 27 Oct 1956 Sporting Gijon
    14 DF Antonio MACEDA 16 May 1957 Sporting Gijon
    15 MD Enrique SAURA 02 Aug 1954 Valencia
    16 MD Jose Vicente SANCHEZ 08 Oct 1956 Barcelona
    17 MD Ricardo GALLEGO 08 Feb 1959 Real Madrid
    18 FW Pedro URALDE 02 Mar 1958 Real Sociedad
    19 FW Carlos Alonso SANTILLANA 23 Aug 1952 Real Madrid
    20 FW Enrique Castro QUINI 23 Sep 1949 Barcelona
    21 GK Francisco URRUTICOECHEA 17 Feb 1952 Barcelona
    22 GK MIGUEL ANGEL Gonzalez 24 Dec 1947 Real Madrid


    However, at the time, they were stipulating that this team didn't do well due to the clash of cultures. It was a Basque heavy team with San Sebastian well represented. But was it due to the Basque/Catalan/Madrid conflicts?

    Anyway, for this year, for now on, i'd like to see:

    GK: Casillas // Riesgo

    DL: Salgado // M. Pablo
    CB: Puyol // Juanito
    CB: Pablo // Lopo
    DR: Del Horno // Raul Bravo

    CMF: Xavi // Albelda
    CMF: De La Pena // Valeron
    RW: Joaquín // Víctor
    LW: Reyes // Vicente

    FW: Raúl // Tamudo
    FW: F. Torres // Villa
     
  3. Joystick

    Joystick Deep like Titanic

    10 August 2004
    London
    The Arse
    Re: Spain: Too young? Not good enough? Bad luck?

    Spain even put England to shame when it comes to underachievement!

    A great side man for man, I guess its just about getting the right man in charge to get them to click (bit like England actually).

    What about Etxebarria? Is he still any good? Also, is Victor Valdes Spanish? Surely he should be ahead of Reina. Maybe Luis Garcia should be in there too. Valeron was quality for a couple of seasons but he seems to have dropped off the radar now.
     
  4. ClassicD

    ClassicD Galáctico

    11 November 2001
    Glasgow
    Celtic
    Re: Spain: Too young? Not good enough? Bad luck?

    Victor Valdes has never been capped, surprisingly.

    I think Spain are slightly weak at the back. Puyol is outstanding and Del Horno plays for a club side who are excellent defensively, but Salgado plays for Real who have had a shoddy defense for a while now, although he's not a bad player. Who would partner Puyol is also a difficult question, I don't think they have another world-class central defender.

    For that reason I don't think you can play Xavi and De La Pena in a central midfield pairing, neither is particularly good defensively. I'd go with:

    Casillas

    Salgado
    Puyol
    Helguera
    Del Horno

    Albelda
    Xavi
    Vicente
    Joaquin

    Torres
    Raul
     
  5. Gedtillo

    Gedtillo Mediocentro defensivo

    13 July 2004
    Re: Spain: Too young? Not good enough? Bad luck?

    Etxebe is good. Period. Not outstanding. Always fails with the National team.
    Valdés is Spanish, but is not as good as Reina (IMO). Cañizares is still good, he might get back someday. But Casillas' shadow is too long...

    You're right, I'd put Luis García instead of Valerón, and Villa ahead of Morientes. I just forgot those two.
     
  6. Revan

    Revan out the window

    8 August 2003
    Madeira, Portugal.
    FC Porto
    Re: Spain: Too young? Not good enough? Bad luck?

    They are a great team but, like many other, they need a good manager that can take advantage of the quality of the team.
     
  7. Joystick

    Joystick Deep like Titanic

    10 August 2004
    London
    The Arse
    Re: Spain: Too young? Not good enough? Bad luck?

    Canizares is a top quality keeper, I've always thought he was massively underrated. I heard he ripped a tendon in his foot by stepping on a broken bottle in a hotel room and hence will miss the WC, is this true? :p
     
  8. Revan

    Revan out the window

    8 August 2003
    Madeira, Portugal.
    FC Porto
    Re: Spain: Too young? Not good enough? Bad luck?

    wasn't that b4 euro04?
     
  9. IceMan_Bergkamp

    IceMan_Bergkamp Total Football

    9 December 2002
    London, Toronto
    Arsenal
    Re: Spain: Too young? Not good enough? Bad luck?

    It was his aftershave.. the muppett! :D
     
  10. Slobber

    Slobber boycotting PES

    3 August 2003
    Merseyside, England
    Liverpool FC
    Re: Spain: Too young? Not good enough? Bad luck?


    Swap Helguera for Marchena, and Xavi for Xabi Alonso, and you have my team.
     
  11. Gedtillo

    Gedtillo Mediocentro defensivo

    13 July 2004
    Re: Spain: Too young? Not good enough? Bad luck?

    It was before WC2002, he dropped his aftershave and stepped on the broken glass... he stayed though, he was good for the team and all that...

    That year was the lucky year for Casillas. After being substitute all the second half of the season with Real Madrid, César got injured during the second period of the Champions League final, and he ended up being the savior of the team. Then, few weeks later, when Cañizares was the starting GK for Spain, he had this accident, so Casillas got the place, and again he ended up being the savior against Ireland. Which doesn't mean he isn't an amazing keeper. I've never seen anyone perform so well in my entire life, maybe Buffon...
     
  12. bebo

    bebo Looking for a Manager

    25 July 2005
    Arsenal Thread
    The Arsenal FC
    Re: Spain: Too young? Not good enough? Bad luck?

    too young became too good 4 years later :LOL:
     
  13. PIPA23

    PIPA23 retired :) Staff

    21 June 2007
    England
    LFC
    Re: Spain: Too young? Not good enough? Bad luck?

    and we can expect more...in coming years...
     
  14. Milanista

    Milanista Mangiamoli! Staff

    19 December 2002
    London & Milan
    AC Milan
    This weekend we witnessed the 6th cardiac arrest in Spanish football in 3 years. 3 deaths, 2 saved in hospital, and 1 saved on the pitch. Something is wrong here - something needs to be done to investigate why its happening. It must be to do with some sort of chemical they use for fitness.
     
  15. gerd

    gerd Retired Footballer

    8 January 2002
    Over the moon
    KRC Genk, Spurs
    Spanish sports has an immense doping/drugs problem.
    They have it in athletics, (especially) in cycling and also in football.
    I have the distinct impression that Spanish authorities tolerate performance enhancing drugs.
    It is no coïncidence that Lance Armstrong's European base was in Spain (Gerona).

    When i see Rafaël Nadal, i also have questions (i've been a very good tennis player myself albeit 30 years ago). No other tennis player has a body similar to Nasdal's (to be fair i have the same questions about "our" Kim Clijsters).

    I also remember that in Operation Puerto besides cyclists there were also football teams named...but after a couple of months the Spanish justice only had eye for the cyclists on the list.
     
  16. Milanista

    Milanista Mangiamoli! Staff

    19 December 2002
    London & Milan
    AC Milan
    I'm not calling him a cheater, but didn't Messi use growth hormones to get stronger?
     
  17. airjoca

    airjoca International

    29 July 2003
    Amadora, Portugal
    SL Benfica
    No, he actually used them to grow. :)
     
  18. gerd

    gerd Retired Footballer

    8 January 2002
    Over the moon
    KRC Genk, Spurs
    Yes Stef, i think Messi is alltogether a different case...
     
  19. Jumbo_

    Jumbo_ -

    17 August 2006
    Manchester
    Manchester United
    Yeah the whole reason he moved to Barca was because they promised to pay for his treatment that his family could not otherwise afford back home in Argentina.

    Something is amiss though, it seems to happen in Spain more than anywhere else.
     
  20. cfdh_edmundo

    cfdh_edmundo Maverick

    30 December 2002
    Who was it at the weekend ? I missed it.

    Anyone hear about Ruben De Le Red, he has had to end his career (heart problems), it seemed like he was destined for great things at Getafe and during Euro 2008.
     
  21. Jumbo_

    Jumbo_ -

    17 August 2006
    Manchester
    Manchester United
  22. The_Special_One

    The_Special_One #helpmemeetgenie

    17 August 2007
    Lovely Estoril
    #geniearmy
    Today Miguel Garcia has ended his career too. Sad to see these professionals saying goodbye so early.
     
  23. PLF

    PLF Legend

    2 August 2004
    What the hell?!!

    Damn! Sad bout de La red. :(

    Who's Miguel Garcia?
     
  24. The_Special_One

    The_Special_One #helpmemeetgenie

    17 August 2007
    Lovely Estoril
    #geniearmy
    He's player of Salamanca (right back I guess) who had a cardiac arrest 2 weeks ago during a game.
     
  25. PLF

    PLF Legend

    2 August 2004
    Oh. Didn't know him. But sad news. :(
     
  26. Milanista

    Milanista Mangiamoli! Staff

    19 December 2002
    London & Milan
    AC Milan
    Something definitely is suspicious about this.... it does seem to happen all the time in Spain...
     
  27. PLF

    PLF Legend

    2 August 2004
    Yeah been happening too often in Spain in last few years.

    I'm still saddest about Antonio Puerta though I gotta admit :( and Jarque was a HUGE loss too.
     
  28. fd1972uk

    fd1972uk ---------------------

    9 January 2002
    Glasgow
    Celtic
    Woooh, that was scary, poor guy. Yeah heard about De La Red too, real pity.

    On Spanish footy, I love it, best footy to watch by a country mile.


    FD
     
  29. The_Special_One

    The_Special_One #helpmemeetgenie

    17 August 2007
    Lovely Estoril
    #geniearmy
    Best footy to watch is played in your island my friend. Love Premier League. :D
     
  30. fd1972uk

    fd1972uk ---------------------

    9 January 2002
    Glasgow
    Celtic
    You should've tuned into the Manchester Drabby last night then.

    La Liga is tops for me and German Bundesliga for Atmosphere wins hands down.


    FD
     

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