Sony PlayStation 5

Discussion in 'Other Games' started by Chris Davies, 16 April 2019.

  1. Chris Davies

    Chris Davies Chief PESsimist Staff

    14 May 2003
    Tranmere Rovers
    It begins, folks. (Thanks, @PRO_TOO!)

    EXCLUSIVE: WHAT TO EXPECT FROM SONY'S NEXT-GEN PLAYSTATION
    https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-sony-next-gen-console/
     
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  2. Isslander

    Isslander Gordon's alive!

    3 August 2003
    Iceland
    Liverpool
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  3. PRO_TOO

    PRO_TOO Team Heffernan

    25 May 2003
    Rego Park, Germany
    Team Heffernan
    Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order Director On Purge Trooper Creation And The Game's Era
    https://www.gamespot.com/articles/star-wars-jedi-fallen-order-director-on-purge-troo/1100-6466265/
     
  4. Emroth

    Emroth Champions League

    18 August 2018
    Ireland
    I didnt understand any of that computer talk, but backwards compatibility is da bomb.
    Hated the way they did ps4. I've so many ps3 games that are just lying there covered in dust.
    Now "just" need to change console and can still finish Witcher3 one day! ;)
     
  5. mvs2k9

    mvs2k9 Mia san Mia

    22 July 2010
    Viet Nam
    FC Bayern München
    Backwards compatibility's only thing I want from next gen made by Sony because of many exclusive games will be released this year. Also use SSD replace HDD sound good, don't care about 8k also 3D audio. 1080p with 60fps enough for me with console.
     
  6. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
    Release date rumoured to be 2020 - So most likely Christmas 2020 for UK.

    Spec wise seems pretty impressive using a 3rd Gen Ryzen processor and latest AMD Graphics, but also means the initial launch console could run very hot and be as loud/if not louder than the PRO.
    This is a massive step up from current gen who thought it would be a good idea to use 2 year old MID Range GFX Cards at launch, and Netbook processors.

    About time they started using an SSD, this will make load times much more bearable.
    To give an idea F1 2018 on Xbox One X takes what seems like an age to load a race (about 1m 30s), on PC it loads the race in about 3-4 seconds - You will be able to expect the timings with the new console.

    I don't know why they are stating Raytracing and 8K Gaming, 4K gaming only just became a possibility on PC, and they expect a console using what I will assume MID-Range next gen AMD cards to be able to do Ray Tracing and potentially 8K.

    Judging by the specs, and assuming they are going to be using Lower End/Mid Range Ryzen Processor and probably a NAVI 10 GPU card equivalent to an Nvidia 2070, I would expect the console to launch at £450 - £500.

    This is just my opinion and could be well off, but I don't expect them to use a high processor but anything other than a Navi 10 GPU would be a mistake.
    You not only have to let current games run acceptably, but you need future games to offer more.

    * Graphics performance is still rumoured - Since no benchmarks are currently available, some sites are suggesting the new AMD cards will be equivalent to a 2070, whilst some are suggesting 2060/1080 performance.
    If the latter is true then 4K @60FPS doesn't look likely.
     
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  7. Chris Davies

    Chris Davies Chief PESsimist Staff

    14 May 2003
    Tranmere Rovers
    I'm reading 8K as "we'll let you play 8K Netflix titles when they're available", not "games will be 8K".

    If you can't get 4K games running at 60fps now... I don't think you'll manage it with 8K, no matter how much more powerful it is.
     
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  8. Stan

    Stan Allez les Lionceaux !!!

    12 September 2002
    The early PS3 and PS4's had serious issues. I remember that they lasted just over a year before they were broken in my case. That is no way to treat early adapters. Might wait a few months now, but then again, i will not as push comes to shovel...
     
  9. PRO_TOO

    PRO_TOO Team Heffernan

    25 May 2003
    Rego Park, Germany
    Team Heffernan
    were did you buy!? in germany you have a 2 year warrenty and its possible to expand that warrenty to 5 years and more (handles stuff that you broke!).
    anyway. i bought my PS4 Pro day one and had not a single issue. the ds4 is fine too (some rubber missing but thats ok). the usb cable is fine as well.
    while we are at it: i never ever had a broken cable in my life! :D i must be lucky!
     
  10. Gunslinger

    Gunslinger Championship

    5 September 2016
    Backwards compatibility and SSD is all I need to hear. Sold.
     
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  11. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
    I am surprised how many people think backwards compatibility is such a big/must have feature.

    It is nice to think you can replay old games - but who actually does?
     
  12. Isslander

    Isslander Gordon's alive!

    3 August 2003
    Iceland
    Liverpool
    Plenty of people do. If PS Now had a decent line up I would be a year round subscriber. I let my PS3 go back in the day because it got me a bit of funds for the PS4 and I really don't want a pile of consoles under my TV. Then there are the countless back catalog games on PS4 I have barely touched. Won't hurt to throw some faster loading times in those as an even bigger incentive to get back in there.
     
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  13. Chris Davies

    Chris Davies Chief PESsimist Staff

    14 May 2003
    Tranmere Rovers
    I've thought that for years - then with the Xbox One X, I've spent more time finishing Oblivion (still not finished it) and playing original games that have since been remastered instead of buying the remaster (e.g. Skyrim, Burnout Paradise) than I have playing brand new releases. So I guess my gaming habits have changed...

    I imagine I won't get around to playing Witcher 3 until we're on the next gen.
     
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  14. Isslander

    Isslander Gordon's alive!

    3 August 2003
    Iceland
    Liverpool
    Surely you have the mere 200 hours needed to play through that? although that may not be an accurate number, I went over 400 hours.
    Another game to dip into on PS5 with faster loads.
     
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  15. Isslander

    Isslander Gordon's alive!

    3 August 2003
    Iceland
    Liverpool
    One thing though, the name PS5 looks dumb on paper and can easily be vandalised to look like PiS5. I an pretty sure they will go for a name change, what do you think?
     
  16. Emroth

    Emroth Champions League

    18 August 2018
    Ireland
    One of the games Im only 40hrs in. Not even half way through. And I intend to finish it.
    There's few more, but Witcher3 is a biggie.
    If ps4 had the option Id be replaying Red Dead and finishing few others.
    Pile of consoles is just not practical. My ps3 is buried somewhere in the closet, even Ps4 I bought Slim version just to save some space. So backwards compatibility is very big thing to me.
     
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  17. PRO_TOO

    PRO_TOO Team Heffernan

    25 May 2003
    Rego Park, Germany
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  18. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
    This isn't a shock..
    PS5 was going to be Fall 2020.

    Only concern with this is, 18 month old mid range PC tech at launch.
     
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  19. PRO_TOO

    PRO_TOO Team Heffernan

    25 May 2003
    Rego Park, Germany
    Team Heffernan
    winter season 2020 i say! :D

    reg. your last sentence: man, please, dont start that nonesense debate, i beg ya pal! ;)
     
  20. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
    There is nothing wrong with mid range PC tech at the moment.
    You will be able to run games in equivalent of ultra settings in full 1080 HD @60FPS.
    And HIGH settings in 4K @30FPS, but most importantly actual native 4K, rather than the checkerbox and other cheats they use mainly on the PS4 to get the games to 4K now.

    Either way the next gen machines will be an absolute massive step up from the current gen - Especially PS4 and Pro.
    Be a slight step up from the One X, but will have a much better CPU - As the current consoles use Netbook processors.

    I will pre-order a PS5, as personally I prefer the PS4 UI compared to the Xbox which is just a slow mess.
    And the much better exclusives.

    * Also though these are still all rumours, but if the graphics card is correct then I expect 2060/2070 performance from the next gen machines - Which for £500 is worth the money.
    I am only worried they use the lower end of the new AMD chips to cut costs and we end up with 1050/1060 performance.
    I know people probably don't think like I do, but I would rather spend an extra £100-£150 on a console for it to be much more powerful, than Sony and Microsoft to skimp on spec.
     
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  21. gabe.paul.logan

    gabe.paul.logan Golden Boot Winner

    7 January 2007
    Budapest
    Hungary
    What about your PS4 game saves?
     
  22. Chris Davies

    Chris Davies Chief PESsimist Staff

    14 May 2003
    Tranmere Rovers
    If you've got PS Plus you'll pull them from the cloud on the PS5, I'm sure.

    For actual installed game data - i.e. PES, when you install option file images they go into game storage as opposed to save data - I doubt you'll be able to transfer that. So your option files etc. will need reimporting.
     
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  23. PRO_TOO

    PRO_TOO Team Heffernan

    25 May 2003
    Rego Park, Germany
    Team Heffernan
     
  24. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
    That video looks so faked it's unreal..

    Looks almost like Nvidia made it..
     
  25. Chris Davies

    Chris Davies Chief PESsimist Staff

    14 May 2003
    Tranmere Rovers
    We all know SSDs are the future. We could achieve something similar on the PS4 Pro with an SSD installed, so I find that video really annoying.
     
  26. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
    I doubt the PS4 could do that with an SSD installed, the processor just isn't good enough - But then I am sceptical about the load speeds on the PS5, unless they have put high end Ryzen's in the development kit.
    The problem with the video is the stopping and starting, unless it is actually genuinely stopping to load the next part of the map, but even the PS4 doesn't look like it has frame rate issues with the video speeding through.

    The video just stinks of PR, until AMD have actual released benchmarks of the new processors and graphics card we will not know what is actually capable from the PS5.

    But at the moment it does look like it will be able to run games in proper 4K @30FPS.
    Not this fake 4K which is currently being done by the PS4 Pro.

    However I believe the future of gaming is definitely in cloud gaming.
    I have a shield and recently got on the Geforce Beta and as long as you have the game on your Steam account you can play it on any device.. You can even use the software on any old laptop with a controller and you will be playing a game on the equivalent of a high end PC.
    What I have played is flawless, and IMO is the way forward.
    The other benefit is the servers will constantly be upgraded, so the games and performance will constantly be upgraded and improved.

    The PS5 and Xbox Two will be the last consoles as we know it ever released.
     
  27. *aLe

    *aLe World Cup Winner

    30 August 2005
    Lombardia
    Emilia-Romagna
  28. bsmaff

    bsmaff International

    11 August 2003
    Welwyn Garden
    Exeter City
    Confirmed now at Computex.

    PS5 will be using a PCIe 4.0 bus for the SSD.
    Theoritically these are much quicker than the current NVMe SSD's on the market, however I am not sure what the reality will be as although NVMe are faster than standard SATA SSD's, you can barely notice the difference.

    With the AMD releasing the majority of PS5 equipment in July, we will have a much better understanding of what the PS5 and Xbox 2 are capable of, as I expect both to have the same or very similar hardware.

    Initial thoughts are though it will be equivelant to a 2700 and have the i3 equivalent of the Ryzen processor.

    Which your talking processor power wise around a 400 - 800% performance jump compared to current PS4.
    Graphics wise you will be looking at a 400% increase in graphics performance compared to the PS4 not PRO.
    This is looking at current benchmarks of what is in the PS4 compared to what they are expecting to be the current PC equivalent.
     
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  29. peterc10

    peterc10 League 1

    31 May 2007
    United Kingdom
    Liverpool FC
    Yeah not much difference as far as I'm aware in gaming, difference is more apparent in moving large files. I guess installing games would be significantly quicker then?
     
  30. PRO_TOO

    PRO_TOO Team Heffernan

    25 May 2003
    Rego Park, Germany
    Team Heffernan
    First PlayStation 5 Benchmark Just Leaked
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    https://lordsofgaming.net/2019/06/first-playstation-5-benchmark-just-leaked/


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