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Post your theory as to why konami can never get animations right

Discussion in 'Winning Eleven' started by fantomas23, 17 August 2005.

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  1. fantomas23

    fantomas23 League 2

    26 July 2003
    australia
    there's only a handful that are fine, but the rest..not even worth mentioning how bad they are. i find it hard to believe they r mo capped. more like hand animated by a bunch of 8 yr olds
     
  2. J@s0n88

    J@s0n88 League 2

    15 September 2003
    SINGapore
    could it be that they are just out to hurry the game so they can rip us off everyyear?
     
  3. muffinmak

    muffinmak Conference

    26 June 2003
    its because theyre fucking using japanese footballers to do the motion capturing work, and their footwork, technique and physique and even their kicking of the ball are pretty different from other world class players. However, this is still not a reason to put in those 'beyond pathetic' animations. THey even got it right in WE5FE and prior versions, so i have no fucking idea what is up with Seabass and co. I have expressed my dissapointment over the animations more than once in this forum and nobody really seem to care much about it, maybe thats why Seabass still think theyre fine.

    The team responsible for the animations should be hanged
     
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  4. jiwa

    jiwa The BEautiful Game

    31 May 2005
    Malaysia
    I agree that some animations are dodgy. But usually these glitches are only apparent upon close scrutiny. It look fine from afar, and usually don't bother me too much when i'm in the midst of playing a game. Only at time when I go to the replays in slow-mo then many flaws are apparent.

    Anyway, I don't know what to compare animations against. Real life? There are too many variances in styles and physique. Asian players not good as well. But afterall, it's basically a Japanese game initially targeted at a Japanese market. IMO so far overall, the WE series have some of the best animations and variety that i've seen.

    Yeah, I know FIFA did mo-cap Scholes, Henry and Sol Campbell at one time but what about the thousands of generic players in the game. I feel its better to to mo-cap average players to give a more standard feel. Also for signature players all have been manually animated.

    For all the few big flaws in animations that we sometimes see, there are tons of subtle little animations that are included that give the game a whole new dimension. Without even scrutinizing everything i've already noticed 3-4 ways players trap the ball. with their foot. Instep/outstep/toe/base. I prefer more quantity as opposed to few but quality. (of course quatity + quality would be brilliant).

    Can't seem to think of any that are totally pathetic though. As long as I dont kick/pass/tackle/head the exact same way each and every time, I guess I'm satisfied.


    Cheers
     
  5. muffinmak

    muffinmak Conference

    26 June 2003
    what about the "toe poke" shot animation that ends up with the player seemingly getting his legs tangled up together, making him kinda trip?
     
  6. fatman_scoop

    fatman_scoop League 2

    8 August 2004
    Scotland
    Agree jiwa, its nothing to get your pants in a twist about, the animation s are fine til PS3 comes out:)
     
  7. gerd

    gerd Retired Footballer

    8 January 2002
    Over the moon
    KRC Genk, Spurs
    And i always thought that precisely the animations make PES/WE among the very, very best games...
    To all the critics: name me one football or even sports game with better animations.
    Let them come...i'm waiting.
     
  8. muffinmak

    muffinmak Conference

    26 June 2003
    well WE5FE and WE2000 just to name a few
     
  9. blayzzz

    blayzzz Non-League

    20 February 2003
    I personally love 99% of the animations, especially in WE9 besides that one shooting animation where it looks like a half assed kick when the ball is in the air.
     
  10. gerd

    gerd Retired Footballer

    8 January 2002
    Over the moon
    KRC Genk, Spurs
    Muffinmak: just read my question and try again...
    I was talking about the animations in PES/WE games and asked to give better ones than PES/WE games...Obviously the ones you mentioned are PES/WE games...
    Close but no cigar...you won't find any...
     
  11. muffinmak

    muffinmak Conference

    26 June 2003
    i thought the whole thread was about fantomas' gripe on the animations in WE9

    i agree WE is unrivaled in terms of the variations in the animations, however it does not mean they are acceptable just because they are the best of the pack overall. WE got no competition because the others are utterly pathetic as well.
     
  12. Tom

    Tom likes turtles Staff

    12 December 2001
    Hamburg
    Please keep on using the complaints thread, there's no need for opening seperate threads for all the gripes you seem to have.

    ...This is just ridiculous and definitely not the way to start a serious discussion :roll:
     
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