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PES6 Tricks, moves, and various changes from PES5 (including video examples)

Discussion in 'Pro Evolution Soccer' started by Trance_Allstar, 2 November 2006.

  1. Trance_Allstar

    Trance_Allstar I love lamp

    18 March 2006
    Sweden
    With this thread I try and summarize new tricks and also some gameplay changes in PES6 from PES5.

    NOTE: A similar thread was stickied before but this post strives to have an unbiased approach and more objective analysis with no unneccesary subjective opinions.

    So, here we go:



    1. Tricks and moves

    Matthews Feint:
    Basically, all you need to do is have the ball at your feet in a stationary position, then press first left and then right, or vice versa (where left and right refers to 90 degrees from the direction your player is facing). As you might have guessed, this can be done in both directions by all players it seems.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK-ss9pfSxQ#

    Drawback Side Extension (aka "The V-Feint"):
    An elaboration of the drawback move. First stand still with the ball right in front of you. Next, hold R2 and press in the opposite direction from where you are facing. When executed, immediately release R2 and press 45 degrees forward in the direction of your players preferred foot. This will make your player first draw back the ball with his sole, and then immediately angle it forward and to the side. Seems quite useful actually. Unlike the Matthews Feint above, this move only seems to work towards the side of your players good foot. Not sure if Weak Foot Accuracy or Frequency matters, or Technique or Dribble Accuracy.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ7yn-ou-BY#

    Stationary Stepover to Dash:
    New move (well, more of a new more efficient animation) where you stand still with the ball close to you (important). Next, tap R2 twice for a quick stepover with the players preferred foot. Next, as soon as you have pressed R2, move the stick 45 degrees from where you are facing, and in the direction of the players preferred foot. If your player is rightfooted, move the stick 45 degrees to the right.

    Also, this can be performed while just standing still and pressing R1 + the correct side simultaneously.

    And it works while running slowly (holding R2) by moving the directional button 45 degrees from the direction of movement and pressing R1 at the same time (So that you go from holding [R2 + direction] to [R1 and (direction + 45 degrees to the stronger foot).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq4ohHrPKM8

    R2 Sprint modified:
    Where holding R2 in PES5 meant the player would be running at a pace somewhere inbetween dashing with R1 and just dribbling as normal speed, now holding R2 makes your player dribble the ball slowly with the ball very close to his body. Perfect for drawing an opponent near and then advancing quickly and going past him. Note that only the Two-Foot Feint works from this dribble mode, I haven't been able to perform the drop shoulder when R2-Sprinting. The Two-Foot feint should work great though as the player quickly accelerates when performing it.

    Elastico (aka Flip Flap):
    As most know the Flip Flap animation is also updated to look a bit more authentic. Also the Flip Flap can no longer be performed when your player is stationary, which is different from PES5. You need a certain amount of speed to perform it

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yw8xikxrxk

    Backheel Lift Shot:
    Performed with very skilled players, I know Ronaldinho can do it. With your back to the goal and standing slightly to the side (same side as your players preferred foot) as seen from the opponents goalie. Tapping the shot button produces a weak shot, whilst powering up produces a very lofted shot that easily lobs a goalie. Also, if you are very quick and press L1 juuuust before the player makes the shot (too soon and the player will turn around and perform a normal L1-lob) you will get a Backheel Lift Shot very similar in trajectory and height to a normal L1 Lob, although considering how close to goal you need to be to perform it, it is utterly useless since it will end up in the stands. :)

    Also, further tries seem to reveal that whether or not a Heel Lift Shot is executed seems to depend on how close the goalie is to you.

    Youtube video. Both the shot normally (R. Carlos), and at the end (Adriano) with L1 pressed just before the player shoots.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQMUcXV4jAk

    Other Noted Changes:

    Drawback Turnaround removed:
    It is no longer possible to perform the Drawback Turnaround move that was available in PES5, where you first use the drawback feint (R2 + Back), then release R2, and hold 135 degrees from where you are facing (meaning you hold back and to the side). This would cause the player to first drawback the ball, stop it, and then turn around on the spot and start moving 135 degrees from where you were facing.

    Drop Shoulder move made easier
    Performing the drop shoulder move now seems alot easier. The window of opportunity for performing the move has increased which means you no longer need split-second reactions and timing to perform it.
    For those who do not know, the drop shoulder is generally performed, when running from left to right, by first letting the player kick the ball once, then as he is approaching the ball again, pressing down (in this case, 90 degrees to the right of player movement), and then moving the stick back to the direction of movement at the right time, just before the player kicks the ball forward again. The key is moving the stick back at the right time, the first stick move to the side can be timed very liberally, seemingly at any point after the players kicks the ball ahead.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_W1LQ4yZt4

    R1 + L1 Tapout modified
    Holding L1 and R1 simultaneously in PES5 would make the player push the ball out from his body with the outside of his boot. But it wasn't as useful as it could have been then. Now in PES6, the player not only pushes the ball a bit further, but also takes a step back and leans his body forward, and starts running to the ball. This animation sets up nicely for a shot that can pack a lot of punch, unlike PES5 where the R1 + L1 Tapout still had your player entirely stationary, making it hard to pickup any speed when running to kick the ball.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLff1yBiU5U

    Kickout When Receiving Ball removed
    PES5 had a very nice move which I used alot, and that was the Kickout when receiving a pass. Basically, when receiving a pass with a stationary player, it was possible to hold R1 and a direction to make the player shove the ball quite a long distance in that direction for your player to run on. When having a fast player it was a great way of creating some space for yourself, especially if the player marking you was a little slow in responding to your sudden movement. Now in PES6, it has been removed. I have been able to do it in some angles, such as 90 degrees from where you are facing, but the players seem to be incapable of any other directions.


    NOTE: I do not have any info as to how very high "Dribble Acc", "Technique" or "Weak Foot Acc/Frequency" impacts the use of certain tricks. It is possible that skilled and two-footed players can perform some of them in both directions where as it generally seems some are only performable in the direction of the players preferred foot. ALso players with poor technical skills like defenders might not be able to perform some of them. I have not investigated fully.



    2. Freekicks

    New Freekick Style
    Firstly, there is a 10th and new freekick style animation in PES6. The player who has been gifted with that is none other than Juninho Pernambucano of Brazil and Lyon. Regarded as one of the best freekick specialists in the world, his special style of free kicks is now in the game. It consists of a fairly long runup, followed by a kick with the instep of the foot. However, this variation seems more suited for close freekicks rather than longer ones since it has a more angled approach than the usual straight one Juninho uses for longer freekicks in the real world. The thing that makes Juninho's freekicks standout from others is the fact that he usually uses his instep even from long range, and his freekicks have some of the most bizarre trajectories I have ever seen in terms of topspin and dip, and that is quite amazing coming from a almost completely straight runup, rather than an angled one such as Ronaldinho or Beckham.

    Juninho Freekick in PES6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvzdHA5OhaU

    Just for those who are curios as to what a Juninho freekick looks like in real life, this video compilation does it justice I think:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaHFJDoQy6I

    General Freekick Behaviour
    Freekicks are quite different in feel and execution from PES5. Most notably, it seems to be alot harder to score from 25+ metres. I contribute this mainly to the goalkeepers being extremely fast in reaction and acceleration of movement. Also, Konami have now enhanced the "Move Early" function for goalkeepers found on occassion in PES5. Basically, what it means is that the goalkeeper sometimes (alot more than in PES5) will take a step torwards the unguarded corner before the freekick is struck. There seems however to be a trick to combat this. As some may know, since it isn't really a feature used alot I would guess, it is possible to fool a human player you are playing against on the same tv or computer screen, by shifting the aim of a freekick left and right using R1 and L1 after you have pressed for shot or lob. This feature also seems to work for the goalkeepers. In other words, the goalkeepers seem to be able to "guess" where you are aiming when pressing shot, so if you are aiming at the unguarded corner of the goal and shooting, the goalie will read the freekick and be more likely to take a step to that corner just before the freekick is taken.
    But with the shift aim feature it seems you can fool the keeper instead. Simply by aiming at the goalies corner before taking the freekick, and then shifting the aim to what you believe to be the correct degree before the ball is struck, means that the goalie might think that you are hitting the ball to his corner, when infact you have shifted the aim. All I can say is that this method seems to reduce the number of goalie pre-movements quite a bit. And it also seems to work quite well in the other corner of the goal aswell. In other words, aiming at the unguarded corner might fool the keeper into taking a step towards it, while you shift the aim and knock the ball into the "goalie's" corner.

    Furthemore, there seems to be more variation in a players accuracy when shooting freekicks. More than in PES5 a freekick will miss it's mark and they are less accurate. Also on occassion the shot will get backspin rather than topspin from a bad kick.



    3. Shooting
    The shooting in PES6 is very different from PES5. I would say it has been made harder. It matters alot more now where your player is facing, and the timing of the button press seems to make alot of difference whether the ball flies at goal or over the bar. If you make a directon change with your player and immediately after the foot has touched the ball and changed its direction press the shot button, there seems to be a bigger likelyhood of the ball zipping high over the bar, but if you change direction and then wait for a moment before pressing the shot button the chances are higher it will hit the goal.
    Generally, it seems good to wait until the player is close to the ball before shooting. In other words, wait to press the shot button until just before the player actually gets close enough to the ball to shoot. This applies to most situations it seems, but you can still power up for a long shot where the ball is far ahead of the player and still hit the goal.



    4. Passing
    The general idea for passing in PES6 seems to be to slow the passes down to shape the play by making players have less space when receiving a pass since they at times will be quite alot slower than in PES5. It is important to face the player intended to receive the pass for maximum accuracy and effectiveness. The passes are also very slow at times so it is important to compensate by working actively to put your player and the recipient of the pass in a good position.



    5. Goalies
    Goalie physics have been mainly improved in PES6. They now don't get sudden lifts into the air when running and then jumping to the side (which would happen in PES5 when a goalie was moving towards a post to catch a ball, then when jumping they would still be able to jump up in the air quite a bit, which is very hard to do when you are moving your body mass quickly to the side, especially when sidestepping like goalies do while moving sideways). The jump should be lower and it is now.
    Goalkeepers have been made alot better during freekicks. Their reflexes are incredibly fast and freekick goals come with a much lesser frequency.

    The goalies have been gifted with a reworked "Move Early" function at freekicks, which means the goalies often will take a step towards the unguarded corner if they think the ball will be struck there.

    I decided to upload a video of the move in the odd chance you have never experienced it before. Also notice Juninho's Freekick style which is new, and also notice the Goalkeeper's incredible reflexes and speed managing to catch that incredibly well-struck freekick by the top corner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H70FaMMl898
     
  2. Tom

    Tom likes turtles Staff

    12 December 2001
    Hamburg
    This thread is about controls only from now on. Replies going offtopic will be deleted.
     
  3. dooder

    dooder Non-League

    13 November 2004
    Do you by any chance have a in game video clip of Juninho's freekick?

    Thanks
     
  4. Trance_Allstar

    Trance_Allstar I love lamp

    18 March 2006
    Sweden
    I will try to add that as soon as possible, Dooder. :)


    EDIT: Added, also added a video showing off the incredible Goalie reflexes during Freekicks aswell as the Goalkeeper moving early before the freekick is taken.
     
  5. Ormoran

    Ormoran Non-League

    11 April 2006
    Played some games online where the close control that people have is insanely good, going off at 45 degree angles usually, and I'm unable to find how to do it :(

    Help !
     
  6. Trance_Allstar

    Trance_Allstar I love lamp

    18 March 2006
    Sweden
    WOuld you explain a bit further what you mean by that Ormoran. Turning 45 degrees isn't really hard since it is just diagonally forward from your original direction of movement. ;)
     
  7. SPMC

    SPMC MY last WE07JLCC banners:

    22 February 2004
    califas norte
    this should be stickied in the PS2 thread also :)
     
  8. Trance_Allstar

    Trance_Allstar I love lamp

    18 March 2006
    Sweden
    Well, I suppose it is pretty universal in detail in terms of platform. And if there is atleast some user support for that it's worth a go.

    I'll drop a mod a PM and see what they think. :)
     
  9. Kurdminator

    Kurdminator Non-League

    12 September 2005
    Could you give some tips about one-on-one's against the GK.
     
  10. Trance_Allstar

    Trance_Allstar I love lamp

    18 March 2006
    Sweden
    Well, only training will help you there.

    But generally, considering the changes made in PES6, you are probably better off going for a controlled shot fairly close to the keeper rather than trying to dribble him (keepers are quick to respond to your movements when trying to move past them).
     
  11. gflare

    gflare Post Count?

    20 July 2004
    MD, USA
    Chelsea
    I don't know... You can dribble past goalies now just by running diagonal if you are playing people who hit triangle. it is very easy to run by them now against other players, I don't play PES6 vs the computer though.
     
  12. Trance_Allstar

    Trance_Allstar I love lamp

    18 March 2006
    Sweden
    I see. Well, I only play the computer ;) .
     
  13. Tomthehornet

    Tomthehornet Watford 4 Life

    18 November 2005
    Watford
    Watford
    how can i make my goalkeeper come up for a corner?
     
  14. Max_Power

    Max_Power Non-League

    15 February 2006
  15. justjer

    justjer Conference

    21 March 2005
    what about the cruyf move in the official guide
     
  16. Trance_Allstar

    Trance_Allstar I love lamp

    18 March 2006
    Sweden
  17. lacoste

    lacoste Guest

  18. Trance_Allstar

    Trance_Allstar I love lamp

    18 March 2006
    Sweden
    That dribble/trick is not in PES.
     
  19. rateddave

    rateddave French guitarist

    24 June 2006
    Eastern France
    As Nancy Lorraine
    Here are some moves. Based on a trick found by Smiley B. from Wearepes forum. I've made various moves from it. It's about drag, v-feint and super cancelled shot;)

    Dragshot 30 metres (B.Gavanon)
    Shakthar-Nancy (Vs mode)
    Camera Close
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17jib_drag-shot-gavanon2
    Camera far
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17jaj_drag-shot-gavanon

    Drag pass (Henry)
    Training mode
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x178eg_drag-pass

    Drag heel kick pass
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x178fz_dragheel-kick

    Cancelled Drag shot and quick acceleration
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x178gm_feinte-de-drag-shotacceleration

    Drag shot feint+shoot
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x178f5_drag-shot-feinte

    Double feint drag shot
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x178ro_drag-double-feinte

    Drag'n'Cruyff's turn
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x178pf_drag-retournement-90

    Drag pass
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x178eg_drag-pass

    lil'combo
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x16w9i_pes6

    feinted shot without touching the ball
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x16pp4_pes6

    V-feint heel kick
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x16p4y_pes6

    Quick drag combo
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x16p0s_pes6

    Between goalie's legs
    (Boro vs Charlton)
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x11tw6_petit-pont

    Between Touré's legs
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xmbxh_talonnade-en-petit-pont

    Another Drag combo
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xm8t9_combo-feinteroulette-speciale

    Thierry Henry special shot (vs Italy)
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlx78_interieur-special-henry

    Heel kick scored with Milevsky (Master League vs Manchester)
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xpygi_but-en-talonnade-aerienne

    Matthew's feint+ cancelled shot + goal (Nice-Lyon, David Bellion)
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x13k2b_1er-but-defi5

    Incredible heel kick
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqett_talonnade-improbable

    Juninho's joga bonito Headers :lol: (Lyon vs Arsenal)
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlwvh_jonglages-juninho-pes6

    Don't hesitate to ask questions about moves you'd like to know more about ;)
     
  20. Trance_Allstar

    Trance_Allstar I love lamp

    18 March 2006
    Sweden
    Great stuff there. :)

    I have done the high, long backheel lob, and the Henry shot I know of, but other than that these are all new moves or combos to me.

    I suppose most are a bit flukey (I tried shooting while performing the dragback but nothing would work) or they need some special touch. All very nice though. I like Juninhos headers. ;)
     
  21. rateddave

    rateddave French guitarist

    24 June 2006
    Eastern France
    As Nancy Lorraine
    Thank you ;)

    I can explain how shooting while doin' a dragback.

    First, you have to be on the left if your player shoot with his right foot. And the opposite for left foot players.

    Then, you have to do a V-FEINT (:r2:+ <-, and down right or up right)

    You have to push :square: between <- and down right to drag shoot.

    Here is draw from wearepes made by Boillzz.
    [​IMG]
    Droitiers means right foot, gaucher is left foot.

    The timing is hard, but you'll do it easily if you try it in the training mode.;)

    I hope you understand what I wrote.
    I'll keep answerin' to you if you have any things you wanna know ;)
     
  22. Trance_Allstar

    Trance_Allstar I love lamp

    18 March 2006
    Sweden
    Yeah I understand. Kudos for whoever played PES6 long enough to find out that combo. ;)


    One thing that I would really like is if Konami would make PES a bit more loose and free by for example allowing any player at any time to perform the "dragback and pass" move. Why should you have to rely on a glitch so to speak. It seems to be a very reasonable and authentic move when performed, so why not be able to do it by just doing a dragback and then quickly pressing pass. When you have to wait for the player to finish the dragback you loose alot of time and the risk of loosing the ball is greater.

    Same goes for the "Drag Heel Kick Pass" which is nice.
     
    Last edited: 16 February 2007
  23. rateddave

    rateddave French guitarist

    24 June 2006
    Eastern France
    As Nancy Lorraine
    Yeah I understand. But maybe pes boss' Seabass, didn't put the drag shot in the game at all!

    I've read an interview where he said that the moves they created make new moves that they did'nt expected for. And Seabass again said that he did'nt know how many moves there are in each PES he have created.

    Moreover, the draw is not perfectly exact. You can shoot further than the 2 red drawn circles. Look at my first video, I'm 30 metres far from the goal;) The only important thing is you have to be left side of the goal for right foot and right side of the goal for left foot;)

    Moreover you can do a drag-cross. It also depends your place on the pitch, and i your player is right/left foot striker.

    For the drag pass, It depends of the direction of the "virtual v-feint". Virtual because we only see the drag, but the command we do is a v-feint. So, you have to do a pass to a player who's in the direction of the virtual v-feint (hope ya understand)

    One last thing, to tell you again that i'm agree with you about Konami's scripted games. I think that it isn't innocent. The drag back was already in PES5 and you could do nothing at all with it, and had to wait the move finishing entierly to do a pass or something else. And now, PES6 allows you to do a dragback or a v-feint. The game grow up very slowly, and Konami know it but if they creat a perfect pes too soon on ps2 they won't be able to do better right now with this hardware.
     
  24. Trance_Allstar

    Trance_Allstar I love lamp

    18 March 2006
    Sweden
    True. That's why part of me wonders why they didn't ditch the PS2 the moment they started the Xbox360 development.

    But atleast from now on no more PS2 PES games. So nothing holding it back (unless they decide that PSP is to be the PC base)... ;)
     
  25. blackmage

    blackmage Non-League

    29 January 2007
    Matthews Feint can anyone explain that one a little better to me like show a controller movement or something i been trying this for 2 hours now doing exactly what you said and nothing then again im playing wepes2007 i actually cannot do any tricks at all and i've tried them for weeks now can't even get one wtf am i doing wrong
     
    Last edited: 18 February 2007
  26. Trance_Allstar

    Trance_Allstar I love lamp

    18 March 2006
    Sweden
    The tricks should work on WEPES2007 aswell.


    For Matthews feint, stand facing to the right of the screen with the ball quite close to you. Then, just press down, then as fast as possible press up on the controller. Use the dpad if you have problems since the button pressing needs to be quite fast.

    It is very really easy in a controlled environment. Doing it in a game is alot harder.
     
  27. blackmage

    blackmage Non-League

    29 January 2007
    okay that makes sense now cuz you said left and right and all my guys where doing was some one two kidna side step i've mastered that and get some great goals with it

    im not a newbie at this game or anything but i've never had too learn any tricks or dribble moves to get past defenders thats changed in the new game
     
  28. Trance_Allstar

    Trance_Allstar I love lamp

    18 March 2006
    Sweden
    I guess it depends on how you like to play it. I like to play with skilled players and on occassion dribble around to look for openings etc. I still think that PES lacks alot in the dribble department. And PES would benefit alot from ditching manual passes on the right thumbstick altogether (all passes are manual by default instead), and instead doing a trickstick type thing with it.

    As it is now, some things are deadly hard to pull off in a game (the Matthews feint is hard to pull off with the analog stick, I guess Konami thinks most people still play with digital f-ing 8-way D-pad). And in real life it isn't hard to pull off consistently (it's just a body feint), but in the game you can look pretty retarded if you want a stationary Ronaldinho to perform it and instead you fail and just walk Ronnie into a defender and loose the ball.


    Also, can someone explain why Konami decided to remove the Elastico (Ronaldinho Flip-Flap) from being used when stationary? Ronaldinho does it from stationary position all the time, and yet in the game you need some speed to be able to do it.

    Also, please make "special" tricks and such available for when you create your own players. If I create a player and want him to be able to perform the flip-flap, he should be able to.
     
  29. strongbow82

    strongbow82 Guest

    For those who do not know, the drop shoulder is generally performed, when running from left to right, by first letting the player kick the ball once, then as he is approaching the ball again, pressing down (in this case, 90 degrees to the right of player movement), and then moving the stick back to the direction of movement at the right time, just before the player kicks the ball forward again. The key is moving the stick back at the right time, the first stick move to the side can be timed very liberally, seemingly at any point after the players kicks the ball ahead.


    I'm sorry but that means sweet FA to me, can anyone explain it any better?
     
  30. strongbow82

    strongbow82 Guest

    never mind I've figured it out - how do you do the Cruyff turn then?
     

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