http://4.pesladder.com I run a little ladder and I have to say that a lot of people hate pes08. We put up a pes4 ladder for all these people who hate it (which is quite a few), and it's..still..fun. Your all welcome to join up and have a bit of "fun". Ta I forgot to mention that we use peslauncher, which makes you get a game fast and is never down and doesn't lag. What konami should have done to "launch" games, really.