I know pes vs fifa threads are banned cause they are usually bashing each other but how about an intelligent discussion on the differences in the games. I cant really pinpoint the differences well but they are two very different games yet IMO both very enjoyable with fifa 12 and PEs 13 demo at least. PES feels in a way more open and natural whereas FIFA always has a more controlled feeling to it, which i find hard to explain. Like pes would be a nonlinear game and FIFA a more linear game. However I still think running/dribbling in pes is a bit robotic weird. I think the pitch and players and atmosphere seem more fun and enjoyable to look at and interact with on FIFA but on PES feels and looks more real as in the way the are and move is more real life like whereas FIFA always feels more like a game. ANyway Im crap at explainign it but I used to hate FIFA and like PES. PES 13 seems good and FIFA is now a good game. I dont know how they are different? WHat it is? If you were selling the games to someone how would you explain them and there differences? I think its bad to have two great football games. I now have to master 2 and dont have time to commit to two LOL..but I think FIFA 13/PES 13 will be best year for footy games ever.