PES 5 Discussion

Stringer Bell said:
You have to remember that a lot of people find the game easy and just imagin they just started ML with the default team and some how they easliy win the fa cup and there in the europe in the first season........basicaly just think about what annoys PLF :D
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I cannot relate to you Video Game Ninjas that dominate almost every game on the hardest difficulty level with average players, I guess they could work on that, although I hope their main focus for improving their AI is not "making it harder" but "making it more realistic".
...and there is no such thing as the game being "too easy" when it comes to playing human competition-which is half the fun for me, masterleague being the other half.

Instead of making the game "harder" I would much rather see them customize the playing style of individual teams to better match how that team really plays in real life.

I find it annoying when I play against Arsenal and they keep playing the long ball and crossing it to the middle. This style is completely wrong for Arsenal. Arsenal never plays the long ball and rarely uses crosses with Henry. It is simply not their style. It would be great if they could craft their AI so that teams with very individualized playing styles played in the game with the style they do in real life.
This would add more tactical elements to gameplay and that in turn, probably would make the game more difficult anyway.

You wouldnt be able to beat AC Milan the same way you beat Real Madrid so you'd have to think and plan how you were going to play your game more.

As I said there is a small degree of this already (more when you play against human competition with tactical tweaks) but I would like to see it expanded so you really would have to employ different tactics against different teams.

(not sure if this will really be possible for PES5 on P2 though or if this is more something for the P3)

I know Konami is still MUCH better at this aspect than FIFA but I would still like to see an Arsenal that played like Arsenal.
 
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What about better comentary,
and a man of the match at the end of each game.
Maybe a bit football manager type gameplay thrown in as well

just a thought
 
Agree with Stringer Bell about the realtime replays - watching the goal (or showing to mates) exactly how you saw it happen the first time would be better, then a couple of slow-mos.

Bring back wooden posts - I know they're all steel nowadays, but I loved the crack of the woodwork when it smacked the bar. Better than scoring sometimes in my opinion.

Much better commentary.
 
I would also like to see random growth curves everytime you statrt a ML. This will be a lot better becuase there would be unpredicatble turn out to the players you buy and you have to be catious of your transfer. For example if you buy Fabregas in one ML he might turn out shit....the next he might turn out shit again...you decside to buy him in the next but you say he might be shit but on the this ML he won't. So Konami should make the growth curves random in every new ML you play.
 
www.yzzerdd (from pesfan) said:
how about they add in an animation with the striker or recipient of a thru ball pointing to where they would like it to come... u kno, like some strikers do in real life.

this will also force konami to give us the option of where the thru pass is played to unlike now when the computer can sometimes override your command and send the pass to the other side of the field :rolleyes:
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I think this is a great idea by www.yzzerdd.
 
it would be great if you could choose which players are inside the box at set-pieces...
e.g. ManU's centre backs (Ferdinand & Brown) both are in the opponent's area at set-pieces, so this might add realism to the game!
in pes3 and 4 you only could send one of the backs in the box for scoring!
i don't think this could be a real problem to add this feature!
 
It's time Konami took a long hard look at both formats WE and PES. It needs big changes in the AI and for god's sake an update of the ML format. Give us a full league and cup format that’s editable... it's not rocket science!!! We don't even need the full licences.. though with the revenue created I think it's a case of deep pockets on their part.

Don't get me wrong WE or PES are the best sim on the market but how long can Konami go on churning out title after title with nothing more than a few tweaks and some more hair styles for Pete’s sake.....

Oh and just one last thing that is even worse in WE8LW than PES4.. please please please please stop with the cheating (nudging players on the ball so they stumble ALL THE BLOODY TIME!!!.. rebounds, clearances even good tackles always going straight to the comp player who can recover from anything twice as fast as you can..... running round up down back front through 4 players without even the slightest hint of a tackle while you pound the X key.....Keepers getting stuck in concrete...getting left and right backs to play strikers on the far side of the pitch onside while they score or even just being plain miles off side but then make it so you cant see from the replay, nice.... while your players are given off side for being just being close) and watch some football Konami fast players can out run slower players even with the ball it's true...IT'S A SCIENTIFICT FACT AND IT'S A BIG/HUGE PART OF FOOTBALL SO SORT IT!!!! I don't want to play pass ping-pong.... And anyone who comes on saying it makes the game better coz it's harder or it's too easy if your fast strikers can outstrip defenders etc?? Sorry but I want a football sim.... FOOTBALL SIM..... like real life football. It happens there and you don’t get strikers one on one with the keeper every attack.. All it needs is good so called AI. Well done if you've read this far I could go on for hours but it has all been said before and I'm sure (sadly) will all be said again after PES5, WE9, WE9FE, WE9LW, PES6 etc......

You've just gotta love this game ;)
 
I think most people are with you on the AI/cheating thing. It's just disappointing as much as frustrating really. Just yesterday i scored a late equalizer, when obviously i wasn't allowed to, because the com kicked off, did a bit of ESP dribbling up to my goal and finished with a rocket, instantly. My subtle tackles do nothing to stop the players in these sitations, so i maliciously tend to hack them down (as far from the area as possible, mind), knowing that if i don't, they will score. Yeah, it's disappointing, as it's almost out of your hands really. If the com wants to win, either by denying you, or fashioning a goal out of nothing, it will. I don't mind losing, far from it, just do it properly. :)
 
Yes it gets real annoying sometimes (6 controllers and counting) I think the AI should be tweaked to make or take into account away games which should be harder to win given the teams league standings etc. Don't notice anything like that now, and I quite like It when the comp outplays me or sporns a goal now and then, losing is part of the true sim of football but please let me lose fair, drop the cheating it's ruining the game for me!!

Also lets have more Knocks and Injuries...the most I’ve ever had was three in one season and then never two out at one time!!
 
What about when you buy a young player in the ML.
Take for instance, Fabregas, you buy him in the second season, his stats are not developed from the first season at Arsenal, instead he just has the normal stats.
 
simao_cassini said:
it would be great if you could choose which players are inside the box at set-pieces...
e.g. ManU's centre backs (Ferdinand & Brown) both are in the opponent's area at set-pieces, so this might add realism to the game!
in pes3 and 4 you only could send one of the backs in the box for scoring!
i don't think this could be a real problem to add this feature!
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Interesting point. I think even on International Superstar Soccer 98 on the Nintendo, you could press the top yellow button to re-arrange your defence on the corners.
 
I think something which could be added to the game which i think i'm taking from the fifa game is profiles. The profile would store all your result data for example winning streak, biggest win, record against another profile, biggest loss. It doesn't add anything to the gameplay but would add something to it overall!

Other possible things include the ability to call your keeper up for a corner in the final minute, rather than hope the computer will send him up for you.

Another thing which i feel would slightly add to the realism is possibly the ability to celebrate by removing your shirt after a goal and it would be your choice whether to do it, knowing full well that the player would be booked if he did it.

Again, doesn't add anything to the gameplay, but other than poor keepers, bad potential in master league for players, and difficulty level (lack of). Pro Evolution Soccer didn't need really need many other improvements.
 
What about when you buy a young player in the ML.
Take for instance, Fabregas, you buy him in the second season, his stats are not developed from the first season at Arsenal, instead he just has the normal stats

That hasnt been my experience.

Half the time Fabregas seems to get loads of playing time at Arsenal and other times he does not, but then I dont use the default option file so...
 
and I can agree with ProfNutmeg completely about the telepathic dribbling thing, that does get highly annoying.
 
In the ML they should add an Apperance stats so you can monitor how many games each of your players have played. It doesn't add anything to the game but it is as important as adding how many goals your player has scored.
 
Stringer Bell said:
In the ML they should add an Apperance stats so you can monitor how many games each of your players have played. It doesn't add anything to the game but it is as important as adding how many goals your player has scored.
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Yep a must for me..... theres so much that could be done to make the managerial side so much better and it would not take much doing at all!!!
 
Just a few things i want with the new game:

Snow!
Being able to curl the ball when shooting
More tricks
Better shot accuracy such as Gerrard n Lampard etc
Stats more precise such as Robben etc

But my main idea which I think would be cracking is:

Having off the ball control just like Fifa did but do it right, i reckon Konami could do a great job of it!!

There we go
 
The best thing that would make the game fantastic would be able to arange how your team lines up on corners (both defensive and attacking) and free kicks.

This would add so much to the game and if you could save two or three line ups for a team (the more the merrier) you could surprise the opposition by chosing a different free kick or corner everytime.

I think this will be a major change, and would enhance the game and would be true evolution. It would also add more depth and satisfaction.
 
Nick Cave said:
God no please no..... just no. ..no!
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Y not if done right it could be a another turning point for the game. I don't mean over the top like Fifa, but if you could turn on the ball much quicker it would be so much better, u could then open up for a shot much easier
 
beanface16 said:
Y not if done right it could be a another turning point for the game. I don't mean over the top like Fifa, but if you could turn on the ball much quicker it would be so much better, u could then open up for a shot much easier
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I'd rather see the so called AI improved and see players moving/jostling and calling for passes as in real life, and sorting the through ball out and the way the players always come off second best with those kind of passes.... the way they just run in the same line to where the ball will end up or bounce and not react to the ball itself... Also i played FIFA and that part of the game was as big a joke as First Touch.

After all football is a team game even if you are playing on your own, other players should do things off their own backs when you're not in control it's lifelike even if they do mess up sometimes!!
 
How about a few unusual things that konami might not have thought of....
Like better shooting, better passin, ability to volley, better heading, better goalkeepers, better control, more 'random ball movements and shot capabilities'.....

Forget all this 1-2, off the ball, fancy menus, fancy editing bol***ks.

How about they sort the fundamental flaws of the game first and by god there are some. I don't know where to start.
 
ClassicD said:
db, that would be fantastic but I think I would rather see them develop AI which can play without resorting to cheating first, last night I swear to god my players were doing the old 'lead in their boots' routine (they have the animation to run fast but they are literally at walking pace until the AI player is nearer to the ball, then the game 'releases' your player).
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I totally agree ClassicD. The amount of times I reset a game in a Prem-league season with Man Utd because after going about 2-0 up in the first 15mins, all of sudden my players slow down as if they're tired out already. Bit like Liverpool v Juventus at home in Champs League recently. Then whenever they turn direction the 'Ol lead boots virus' attacks them.

Im some PS2 magazine, it says score first and your team plays better. Better shots on goal, more accurate passing. This may be true against one of your mates, but the CPU seems to suck it all up from your players and they start playing better football & your own players play as if they're 2-0 down!

The magazine also said that this is all due to scripting by SeaBass & Co. I dont understand why you'd make 'THE' best football game ever and put these stupid annoyances in to p*ss everyone off. Its an insult.

Another favorite annoyance of mine is the 'Invisible Umbrella Hook' tactic the cpu employs whenever
(1) Your striker is on course to break free from last defender standing
(2) When your striker is about to go for a thru-ball pass &
(3) When your defender is chasing a cpu winger just before they cross in to the 18yrd box.

the 'Invisible Umbrella Hook' is when your player suddenly gets pushed back a metre so that the CPU striker or defender can get the ball or cross in without your defender making a block or tackle.

Another gripe is when Ive played a thru-ball and without pressing any button, the striker kicks it out in front of him, far enough for the CPU goalie to pick it up. And even at times although I have the controller running towards the goal to score, my striker just turns back so the defender can make a tackle!

I could go on but I thought I was going crazy, like maybe it was just happening to me!!

I also agree with an earlier post that they should re-vamp the menu. It looks so-dated. Every year FIFA gets crap but the visuals just look great with music tracks to boot. The menu is a real let-down.

As for licensing, it never makes sense to me why Konami cant get them. All the other crap footie games get em. i think even 'This is Football' has got them. Why cant Konami sort this out. Its not like money is an issue to buy licenses is it?

Peace
 
Anyone think Konami should give us an option to turn the refs off, just so we can give the cheating cpu a good kicking? How many times Ive played a game & watched as the cpu players legs turn in to professional woodcutters and hack my players down like sycamores.

Once I was playing totenham, (me= Man Utd) and ledley kings behind me making no less than three attempts to hack me down. Miracoulsy I still stayed on 2 feet but its only a matter of time before you're quadruple-teamed and you loose the ball. Then Im fouled flat on my face in the 18yrd box, no penalty, hacked and sent airborn, but the ref wants to play on, & not notice. Then out of shear anger & frustration I make a tackle and get sent off immediately, no warnings or anything.

The biggest tool that game has is the ref, and when the CPU cant handle a can of whoop-ass it just sets the ref out to get you. Imagine a game without the ref where you gave as good as you got. Hmmm...

Oh the strangest thing happened last week. I actually got a penalty, in the 89th minute. I missed it and the goalie parried it for a corner. But check this out...

I scored from the corner and instead of goal celebrations the game just went for a goal kick. No offside was given nothing. I did win the game but man this CPU just keeps amazing me all the time.... anyone else had strange things like this happen?
 
when is pro evo 5 outm for pc i bet ists gunna be november again
 
Personally I'd like music to play like FIFA's, that meaning no music for an specific area only, but music for the whole game, and you can play them randomly or make your own order.

And teams... At least 6 argentinian and 6 brazilian teams (full leagues would be awesome but it's OK with that), more national teams, maybe some mexican, and definitely more from the rest of Europe. But I guess that would be for PlayStation 3 hehe... =\
 
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