PES 2019 Discussion Thread (PS4, XB1)

Discussion in 'Pro Evolution Soccer' started by Lami, 28 August 2018.

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  1. superleeds1

    superleeds1 72 Veteran Staff

    16 July 2004
    LUFC O.K.

    Am I in the right thread?
     
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  2. PRO_TOO

    PRO_TOO Team Heffernan

    25 May 2003
    Rego Park, Germany
    Team Heffernan
    Hey bud, happy to hear you found out! At least the game is giving you that. :)
     
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  3. Aldam

    Aldam Non-League

    1 October 2015
    Alexandria, Egypt
    Zamalek
    Hi every one, can any body help me for having sider tool for pes 2019 PS4 version as i want to free first player selection during cups and leagues
    Thanks
     
  4. slamsoze

    slamsoze Premiership

    28 September 2010
    That's impossible in console.
     
  5. Aldam

    Aldam Non-League

    1 October 2015
    Alexandria, Egypt
    Zamalek
    Ok but when playing multiplayer in league or cup can i change one user to coach mode and if yes which button do that
     
  6. slamsoze

    slamsoze Premiership

    28 September 2010
    If you mean 2P coop vs AI, just switch off the secondary controller and keep the primary
     
  7. Aldam

    Aldam Non-League

    1 October 2015
    Alexandria, Egypt
    Zamalek
    Thanks for your reply and assists but i mean to to play with the secondary ( Away team )
    can i set the home team as coach mode and play with the away team
     
  8. sir_mamont

    sir_mamont Non-League

    16 September 2016
    Hey guys! Are there any news concerning D2 divisions in Master League? Will Italian D2 and Spanish D2 return to PES2020?
     
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  9. Chris Davies

    Chris Davies Chief PESsimist Staff

    14 May 2003
    Tranmere Rovers
    Yep, confirmed. But this is the PES 2019 discussion thread.
     
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  10. sir_mamont

    sir_mamont Non-League

    16 September 2016
    Thank you. Sorry for offtopic.
     
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  11. sonoman

    sonoman Premiership

    13 November 2003
    México
    Mexico / Türkiye
    i usually play co-op but is a laserguided end to end speed fest, usually i dont play offline by myself but last night i tried to continue a ML save i had abandoned for a couple of months and iwas intending to play a match or 2 but in the end i played 8 or 9 matches.

    I just had this feeling of old pes, random movement of the ball, better collision, better AI, faouls, cards, penalties
    Ai scored different kinds of goals

    I cant remember 2019 being this good, have any of you experienced something similar to this with this game lately?

    I am happy i have this great game now until 2020 demo is out :)
     
  12. DuduBR9

    DuduBR9 Champions League

    25 July 2010
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    You dont see the rest of the team. No player drop back to give suporte the defence só they can move forward and build the attack.

    They dont give a fuck about Defenders being pressed.

    This is só stupid that I want to believe is just typical old build issue.

    And I really get impressed by the type of guy Konami choose to play and show the game. Its eactuaoly disrespectul to people who support the franchise for só many years.
     
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  13. Lobbedball

    Lobbedball League 1

    14 July 2018
    This is a direct comparison or reason of the difference btw the two games at the moment,- o thats why i have backed up myself with this comment
     
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  14. slamsoze

    slamsoze Premiership

    28 September 2010
    As I keep playing until today, I restarted my save for the 10th or more time, same league,settings, set up, only different transfers, I see the game being almost the same, soulless as @Emroth said and one-dimensional.
    The only difference is they toned down the one-dimensional AI from very boring to just boring, I would say it is just sausaged a little bit with ketchup and mustard.
    The routines are all the same, some good games with what you describe, then some bad streak where you loose 0-1 with 1/1 shoots by the last teams if the table, then again some matches with the “script” switch forgotten off, then a bad streak again where you pass the ball and the CPU players starts to running to intercept the ball to the direction you aim the stick, but before they see the ball leaving your foot, making them fortune tellers and rendering you unable of transfer the ball.
    After all these you magically end up a little bit close to your target but still far enough IE: in my league top 2 qualify for CL and 3rd-5th for EL, my boss’s mission is go to EL. I am again magically in 6th position, 4 points from 5th 7 from 4th and nobody spears any points while I am in winning streak.
    I want to conclude that 5-10 games might not tell you the truth.
     
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  15. Emroth

    Emroth Premiership

    18 August 2018
    Ireland
    I see where he is coming from. They definetely did something with last patch.
    When I came back two weeks ago I was very surprised, as I was really enjoying it. AI plays differently, momentum is toned down. It feels good. Just like him - I was planning on having a match or two and was ending up playing 8.

    Problem is, that once you go back to it fully and play it for longer, you start noticing above mentioned lack of Soul.
    No dribbling, no skills, no long shots from AI paired up with your own ineffective long shots eventually will start spoiling all the fun. But you need to go back to it for longer to notice these things. My fun has lasted two weeks, after that I had to go back to 17.

    But it has a solid base for next version.
     
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  16. vxcmplx

    vxcmplx League 1

    11 May 2011
    Another R2 shot variant

    First time R2, combined with L2. L2R2 []
    https://youtu.be/5OyMjYqmYNE


     
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  17. Robbery

    Robbery stay cool its a Robbery

    2 October 2009
    Ruhrpott, Germany
    FC Bayern Munich
    I've been playing the game on PC in recent days, with gameplay mods, and it's a completely different game. It's crazy how well the AI plays through the mods.

    This again shows how lazy Konami is and that it would have been easy to patch the game to a good level over the course of the year.

    I will not buy the game for the playstation anymore. The gameplay of the mods is just so much better that it makes no sense anymore. Now I'm even looking forward to PES2020. It has good approaches and the modder will certainly be able to get out a lot of it.

    Sorry for this little trip to PC but I was very shocked by how big the difference in the gameplay is. It's not the same game anymore and it's crazy and a shame to all of us console player.
     
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  18. DuduBR9

    DuduBR9 Champions League

    25 July 2010
    I have given a break from videogames, discussions and every game related content on internet as I had lent my PS4 for my brother for months.

    But during that time, despite being dishearten about football games in general, I didnt Lost my curiosity about Pés so I usually watched some livestream once in a while just to check How the game play and, who, knows, build some Hope for the Future. But the impressions from live stream my club gameplay were bad, gameplay always looked dull and childish in the way people play with those ridiculous fast and accurate passes and players running forward like Crazy with ALL the 1-2s spamming. It looked ugly and como, laughable at the same time.

    But watching the typical my club players playing the game dorsnt always translate your personal experience.

    I have downloaded PES lite later at night and I Gave my club a try. I have set match making to play against any player with any team level. As I expected, I ended up playing against someone who had Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi, Salah and co while playing with the lowest rates team. The final result was 3-2 to him. I was positively caught surprise. Despite having a Very low rates team I manged to defend well by Just putting players into position by using manual switching and Reading some predictable passes. I also Tried explore some spaces and I used manual modifier. I realize now I can only be competitive without compromising the Fun aspect this mix betweein assisted passing and manual modifier.

    Overall It was a good experience. If that was pés 2016, I AM sure I would not have any chance so I DO see some good progress.

    There are still a Lot things that can be done and there are definetly some shit that happen out of your Control making It Impossible tô avoid conceding a goal, but what I can Tell is that the game doesnt play nowhere as bad as I thought when I watch those live stream.
     
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  19. slamsoze

    slamsoze Premiership

    28 September 2010
    Two days ago, after 1,000 games, i scored my first diving-header in ML. It was similar to Klinsmann goal against Iran i think, in 1998 WC , (edited). Studying the headers more carefully, they are very bad programmed, having a sensitive window in which you must do your input, if you go too early, your action is harmless, if you go to late you are trapped in a very long animation, maybe one with 5 steps before taking a shoot or something similar. The chances to hit the momentum bullseye and achieve a proper header are too small, that it does not worth the pain and the process to build-up a proper situation for a header. Better just try do something else, maybe control the ball with chest and then shoot, etc etc.
     
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  20. Paynekiller

    Paynekiller League 1

    14 June 2015
    So I decided to watch one of the PES 2019 streams from last year's E3 where they were playing against the Ai and I have to say I'm saddened by how much the Ai were dumbed down in the full game compared to the E3 demo. Is history going repeat itself with PES 2020? I hope not.
     
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  21. slamsoze

    slamsoze Premiership

    28 September 2010
    Thought the same watching some 2020 E3 today. The pace looks too good and too slow/flow to be kept in the final version. I hope not, but i believe the whole pace will become faster and more rushed after the day-one update.
     
  22. hitmanuk

    hitmanuk Champions League

    23 October 2002
    uk
    I really dont get this game gone back to professional on 15 minute games - PA1 , advanced shooting. Playing UTD as Spurs and the only thing i have changed is instead of using balanced in the attack/defence settings ive gone to one under that so a bit more defensive. I actually dont think balanced is balanced i think there's far too much space which encourages the AI to attack the gaps down the wings. Now with the slightly more defensive option (which doesnt feel that defensive it actually feels balanced) the AI approach was totally different - sots from outside the area, no wing and low cross attacks - game finished 1-1 Lakarku scoring from out wide right edge of the box into far post and i scored a scrappy equalizer. Probably one of the best games ive had all year
     
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  23. Lobbedball

    Lobbedball League 1

    14 July 2018
    A big thing about why the pace feels that slow is the new camera, this camera we should have had long time ago, as you the camera doesn t move much while the ball on the pitch travels around, thishas given a better sense of pace, i like the new camera a lot
     
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  24. Elanimator

    Elanimator League 1

    5 November 2017
    I agree.
    Although Pes2020 is really slower compared to Pes2019, the angle of the new camera and how zoomed out it is, makes it even look slower than how it is.
    I use a modified(more zoomed-in) fanview camera in Pes19 and it feels a lot slower compared to the default dynamic or wide cameras.
     
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  25. Lobbedball

    Lobbedball League 1

    14 July 2018
    how to do that one on ps4? is it possible/
     
  26. Elanimator

    Elanimator League 1

    5 November 2017
    Unfortunately, It's not possible on console.
    That's why there's so much hype on the new gameplay camera of Pes2020.
    Finally, there's a camera option for the console players that's not too close or too zoomed out.
     
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  27. Emroth

    Emroth Premiership

    18 August 2018
    Ireland
    Its not only that. Its also more "free" ball and first touches. If players can string a series of first time passes through the pitch - it will always look slower. One of the reasons a lot of people play on PA0 here. Unfortunately we couldnt do much about COM.
     
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  28. slamsoze

    slamsoze Premiership

    28 September 2010
    That's 100% correct and i understood it from two points:

    1)
    When i move-up the attacking mentality to +1 , the first red, although my one CB does n't go "extra front-man" in attack, my defense line tends to move to high, almost in the midfield line, despite i have set the deepest options, which creates many counter attacks from CPU. It exposes me so much that , i only use it in last 10' minutes, when i am back in score, cause it is more all-or-nothing than a little bit more attacking. In any other occasion i use it too early, the 0-1 goes 0-3 too easy, from 2-3 cynical counter-attacks.

    2)
    The best observation comes from the CPU. It uses only +1 attack, or -1 defence, never the +2 red all-out-attack ,or the -2 all-out defense, while in PES 2017 and 2018 which i fired them recently, in the same occasions the CPU goes +2 attack when they are behing in the score, in the same situation that the PES 2019 CPU uses only the +1.
     
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  29. Elanimator

    Elanimator League 1

    5 November 2017
    That's not what I meant with my previous post. I'm not saying that the ONLY reason PES2020 is slower is because of the camera....But I read my previous post again and it does look like that's what I'm saying.

    What I'm really trying to say is that certain camera angles makes the game feel/look slower, with all other things equal.
    On PES2019, Try playing fanview or blimp, it will feel slower compared to dynamic wide even though it's the same speed.
    On PES2020, I would assume that if you play with Dynamic wide camera it will feel faster compared to the new stadium camera, even though it's just really the same.
    Reasons might be because dynamic camera changes angle as ball moves, or the camera follows the ball quicker. There's more movement in zoomed-in cameras.
     
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  30. DuduBR9

    DuduBR9 Champions League

    25 July 2010
    Forget about what I said here. Game is absolutetly Crap.

    I cant underdtand How adults can enjoy a game wich basically hás no error when You play with top players. Just midless Quick passing 1-2 and a shooting system that hás 99% of accuracy.

    1-2 should bê made contextually, but its not. Its a perfect ping pong 1-2 sincrony.

    I really cant underdtand the point of developing a game that basically hás no space for erros and fails, no misplaced or over hit pass, no ball going over the bar.

    Maybe thats the state of things on this world currently, spoiled kids demanding everything and doing nothing on their own to deserve it
     

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