PES 2019 Discussion Thread (PS4, XB1)

Discussion in 'Pro Evolution Soccer' started by Lami, 28 August 2018.

  1. Emroth

    Emroth Champions League

    18 August 2018
    Thats the thing. Im the same. I disagree with having to stretch ourselves and bend over backwards just to get some joy out of the game. Fuck that.

    I used to play 10mins matches, bang couple of seasons and have a great time.
    This year on Pes I "had to" increase my game time to 20mins (which apparently is still not enough), switch and learn to play on manual, change difficulty to Prof, and
    squeeze all my players in their formations unnaturally deep just to get some build up from AI.
    Still - I ended up buying 17 and going through the whole Option Files rigmarole again.
    Dont have any will or interest to invest into this game anymore.

    What happend with putting the disc on and just having a bit of fun, without trying to crack the fucking Enigma..?

    Competition might be lacking in few areas, but at least there I can just focus on me and my team, without having to adjust my gamestyle to squeeze some imagination from AI..
  2. Isslander

    Isslander Gordon's alive!

    3 August 2003
    3 player Co op would be a lot of fun online if there was an option to only play real life teams. I sometimes play with my brother and friend online and we often pick Liverpool which is a strong team to be fair but then we get matched up with some PSG MyClub garbage with Salah and Ronaldo and Griezman, etc, on board.
  3. Alx1234

    Alx1234 Championship

    26 July 2018
    I suspect a minority of PES players will ever play a 30min match.

    If PES has delivered a quality game in the form of a 30min match then we can either carry on hoping they will make shorter duration matches less scripted or we can just get on with playing what we have.

    PES has been a 4-5 year journey. This is potentially the stop where I get off. Amen to that.

    (I could catch the "we play 30min online matches" or the "who have you scouted that's good in ML" trains though)
  4. vxcmplx

    vxcmplx League 1

    11 May 2011

    Agree with all of the above. I play online only and I see the same thing in the demo (obviously I can't discuss AI issues, since my opponent is human). I mean, demo servers are offline now, but I did make a video and you can see a lot of these points on it.

    Here's a similar post I wrote a couple months back:

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  5. amartingil

    amartingil League 1

    20 September 2016
    Thanks for your support. We are in the same boat.

    After viewing your old post video, I can deduce that online input lag could be the main reason for removing player weigh and rising the pace. The AI and ball physics scripts could be in realtion with MyClub cheating AI.

    Then, if Konami doesn't invest in online servers, we are f****d.

    We could have a chance on PES 2020. It seems that Konami is focusing on ML.
    It should be noticed that offline users doesn't agree this arcade tweaks.
    Last edited: 6 May 2019
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  6. koningfrikandel

    koningfrikandel Championship

    5 May 2017
    Regarding the part where you indicate Konami is focusing on ML: other than PR - talk from Konami, is there a source for this? (genuinely interested). As far as I'm concerned ML is dead in the water and is closer to disappearing than improving. But if there are indications pointing in the other direction I'd love to know!
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  7. amartingil

    amartingil League 1

    20 September 2016
    One user from Spanish Pes forum who works on Spanish League Stats database/Live updates posted about it.
    He said Konami had send to him some info about the PES 2020 features.

    @Alx1234 I tried play 30 min game in the final game. Feels a little bit more slow, maybe because the accuracy ratio has adapted to the time of the match. Otherwise, I'm stubborn, I know it, but Demo feels huge better. All runs like a Swiss watch.

    Now I'm enjoying it capturing Demo details like this, waitting for a miracle in form of update or PES 2020.
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  8. Alx1234

    Alx1234 Championship

    26 July 2018
    konami strikes again.
    max match time setting on an online friendly is 15mins.
    seems the only way to have a good 30min PvP game is local couch play.
  9. Danny Henry

    Danny Henry We are a football tribe.

    16 September 2013

    Wich is...?
  10. amartingil

    amartingil League 1

    20 September 2016
    The only clue that he's given to us is "Konami is focusing on Master League". Nothing more.
    He is a reliable font. However, who knows what means for Konami "Focusing on ML".
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  11. Alx1234

    Alx1234 Championship

    26 July 2018
    champions league is making PES 2019 look like the most realistic game ever.

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  12. gabe.paul.logan

    gabe.paul.logan Golden Boot Winner

    7 January 2007
    Theres some heavy scripting in this one.
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  13. amartingil

    amartingil League 1

    20 September 2016
    tracksuit power!
  14. Lami

    Lami Niche Football

    28 May 2007
    Man Utd, Vecchia Signora
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  15. loco

    loco Schaduwspits

    12 December 2002
  16. hitmanuk

    hitmanuk International

    23 October 2002
    Had my first league game on 30 minds top player full manual

    Liverpool (me) 1 - Huddersfield 1

    To be fair I really enjoyed it and the 30 mins really make a difference

    Key observations
    Much more real match like with AI build up
    Changing tactics feels more worth while as you have time to see the impact more
    Same with defense levels time to sit back and then push up later
    Feels far less end to end
    Can go back to manual as you have time to rectify mistakes

    What needs work still
    Fouls are still no where near enough
    AI still needs more shooting variation

    All in all its a much better experience
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  17. Rodchenko

    Rodchenko Championship

    12 November 2009
    Berlin, Germany
    FC Bayern
    Though it's not really realistic to win with 4 goals difference in PES. At least not on the tough levels (TP and above)
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  18. fefepes

    fefepes League 2

    2 July 2018
    clean sheet in pes is pretty unrealistic
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  19. Flipper the Priest

    Flipper the Priest Vorlander Enthusiast

    15 July 2003
    All behind this.

    From ISS Pro to PES6 we had 10 years of immersive, varied and often thrilling football gameplay from 10 minute matches. Now, older and with much less time on my hands, I'm to tinker and slider my way through £100 worth of FIFA and PES on a PS4 to get that again?

    I want Konami to do all the work, for me to play.
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  20. amartingil

    amartingil League 1

    20 September 2016
    I've made a few tests between Demo and Final Game, with the same teams and tactics, in exhibition mode,
    in my effort to analize the reasons that make atacking a lot more natural and exciting in Demo.

    I'm starting to think that there're not so much diferencies about the AI defense routines, reaction times,...

    Then, I think that after cutting off the players weight/inertia and removing all the animations of players unbalanced and defensors fooled, the AI defense only depends on player reaction time and here starts the feeling you're atacking 11 bots. Like the only way to pass them is do things more quickly.

    Maybe the defense AI was developed taking sense of the weight system. Consequently, after Konami removed it, the scripted defense feeling increases a lot.

    If you add to this, that the ball control is less precise/worsened. the attacking mechanics starts to feel broken.

    Edit: Also the players acceleration is increased in the final game. This makes the AI go to pressure quickly or recover the position before you get any advantage of your move. The relation between ball speed and player speed is higher in demo.
    Last edited: 8 May 2019
  21. saintric

    saintric Premiership

    9 October 2007
    anyone ever had this bug wtf? playing as AZ the cpu go in to my area and i have 2 goalkeepers? they did well lol kept a clean sheet on superstar even took turns taking goal kicks

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  22. Emroth

    Emroth Champions League

    18 August 2018
    Could be a new patch to counter AI clinical finishing... :LOL:
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  23. Lami

    Lami Niche Football

    28 May 2007
    Man Utd, Vecchia Signora
  24. Alx1234

    Alx1234 Championship

    26 July 2018
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  25. Ameppe

    Ameppe International

    23 December 2007
    SSC Napoli
    Konami just released their financial results. For the fifth consecutive year they had growth, with their best year ever financially, with two consecutive years of record profit.

    They pointed again that a lot of of their earnings come from Myclub microtransactions and mobile games.


    I really don't want people to say they don't have money to invest in Pes. Konami financially is one of the best videogame company in Japan.
  26. Chris Davies

    Chris Davies Chief PESsimist Staff

    14 May 2003
    Tranmere Rovers
    They've achieved this by having a terrible year (2014) and, as a result, cutting a ton of spend (pretty much axing anything non-MGS/PES) and cutting their teams down to a bare minimum (you only need small teams to make mobile games, and/or to keep PES going with minimal changes).

    They didn't make all that money by spending it - and for as long as the games still sell (and their microtransactions - there are enough people who need to play a football game online and hate FIFA that myClub will last forever)... They'll continue not-spending it.

    2014 may have been a terrible year because, in their eyes, they spent too much on development / the size of their teams. Of course, they could invest more into PES now - but if they know they'll always be second to FIFA then... Why spend?

    It's all about your return-on-investment (ROI). You can have a bigger team and get more sales, and the ROI might be (for example) 10. In other words, you make 10x more than you've spent. If you keep a barebones team and launch the game to the same amount of sales (no increase), your ROI might be 20.
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  27. Dennis_87

    Dennis_87 Championship

    27 September 2017
    The fact that they'll always be second to Fifa doesn't mean that they can't earn more profits by spending a little more first.
    How much money do they pay to each individual of their team?Millions?I don't think so.
    They may have good salaries but nothing that a multi million company couldn't afford and expand the team a bit.
    It's not that they're signing Ronaldo lol.
    I think that they need for sure to make the team a little bigger so we'll have a more complete product and in this way they'll probably have even more profit from sales etc.Maybe even a little bit of expanding will be enough.It's not that they have to hire 500 more people.

    One thing is for sure.They make the vast majority of their profit from microtransactions so they'll stick to that as their main priority.And i don't think that someone could blame them for that.They're a company afterall and this is the era we live now where online gaming is the trend.They can't do nothing about it but follow it if they want to survive.
    But if they're smart enough they'll invest a little more in offline also so they can gain extra profit from there because there is still an offline part of gamers and they know it.
    I think offline will get some love in Pes 20.Even if they don't add much more changes in ML but introduce some minimal critical improvements like real budgets and contracts,a bit more realistic transfers,missing second divisions back in the game(which i think that 99% it will happen),and most of all a decent enough AI,then people will play it even more and they'll gain even more profit and even new customers.
    Last edited: 9 May 2019
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  28. Emroth

    Emroth Champions League

    18 August 2018
    What they should do, is to spend one year on expanding and improving edit options. Give people tools to do what they want and then just focus on whatever they want to focus on. One year spent on creating proper freedom for people would give them so much and saved so much money in a long run.
    - Editable leagues, where you can add D2, even D3 to the league you play, plenty of fake leagues to give people freedom to customise it whichever way they want.
    - Stadium creator with a lot of slots for stadiums.
    - logo creator, so people on Xbox could finally make proper kits
    - stadium customisation, with chants, flags, proper banners
    - balls editor
    - unlock all stadiums for all leagues
    - universal stat editor, so people could do one tweak and apply to all players in the game
    - injury frequency, transfers frequency, stamina depletion level...
    - more camera options

    If they gave people tools to customise the game properly, they could forget about offline for the next couple of years. People would be happy out. They need to realise that editing was/is and will be their strongest asset.

    Even if they are afraid that people will stop buying it yearly and just stick to one version and keep editing it - thats bullcrap. Online players will keep buying new version and always play new version.
    Only the likes of us, grumpy old pes fans, might stick to one version that suits them most. But at least that would shut us up for a while and there would be much less grumpyness around.
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  29. real022

    real022 Conference

    22 October 2016
    This would be the best thing ever.
  30. Rodchenko

    Rodchenko Championship

    12 November 2009
    Berlin, Germany
    FC Bayern
    Only with a 1-0. Any bigger gap than one goal, AI will score to keep things "exciting".
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