Open source is communism?

Discussion in 'Technology' started by fib91, 28 February 2010.

  1. fib91

    fib91 One-kit wonder

    29 December 2007
    Just lmao!

    Does advocating the use of open-source software make one an enemy of capitalism? Yes, according to a U.S. intellectual property lobby group.The Guardian reports that the International Intellectual Property Alliance, a lobby group broadly representing the RIAA, MPAA and others, has requested that the U.S. government put countries including Indonesia, Brazil and India on the “Special 301 watchlist.” Special 301 is a report that concerns the “adequacy and effectiveness of intellectual property rights” around the globe. Being put on the associated watchlist effectively puts those countries on a shortlist of governments considered “enemies of capitalism” who aren’t doing enough to protect intellectual property abroad.
    The reason the IIPA is so concerned about the aforementioned countries? They apparently have the audacity to either use or advocate the use of open-source software either in government departments or in state-owned businesses. The lobby group has asked the U.S. Trade Representative to accord countries like Indonesia Special 301 status because it feels that encouraging the use of open-source threatens the software industry and devalues intellectual property rights. The IIPA’s recommendation to the USTR includes the following text:
    “The Indonesian government’s policy… simply weakens the software industry and undermines its long-term competitiveness by creating an artificial preference for companies offering open source software and related services, even as it denies many legitimate companies access to the government market.
    Rather than fostering a system that will allow users to benefit from the best solution available in the market, irrespective of the development model, it encourages a mindset that does not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations.
    As such, it fails to build respect for intellectual property rights and also limits the ability of government or public-sector customers (e.g., State-owned enterprise) to choose the best solutions.”
    Countries apparently don’t even have to officially legislate the use of open-source software; Indonesia has drawn the ire of the IIPA for merely recommending open-source software in a circular to government departments.
    We’re somewhat astonished at the implications of this. What do you think: Does open-source software somehow inherently threaten intellectual property? Should countries who make use of it in government departments be sanctioned for weakening the software industry?

  2. Milanista

    Milanista Mangiamoli! Staff

    19 December 2002
    London & Milan
    AC Milan
    Universal healthcare is communism!!!! ;)
  3. fib91

    fib91 One-kit wonder

    29 December 2007
    Lol didn't understand what does this mean!
  4. Milanista

    Milanista Mangiamoli! Staff

    19 December 2002
    London & Milan
    AC Milan
    Its quite similar to how some people think free healthcare is socialism or communism! They are scared that free-medical care, like free-software, would kill the companies that make money from it.
  5. Placebo

    Placebo Ԁlɐɔǝqo

    3 May 2003
    La Manga Del Mar Menor, Spain.
    Sheffield Wednesday
    It means any idiot can have an opinion on the internet.
  6. *aLe

    *aLe International

    30 August 2005
    RIAA makes me laugh at times. No, really..

    Linux has everything you need for daily use, and it comes pre-installed in the most of the cases (like Open Office on Kubuntu)!!
    Unfortunately there is software that still can't be run even with Wine, such as recent games (e.g. I struggle to find a good DJ mixing software for Linux and the one I was running under Windows doesn't run in Wine because the user interface is screwed, but it's the ONLY software I still miss on Linux, apart from games), but I think that for daily/small office use Linux is a wise choice..

    Not to mention that you save on licences, but you also save on not having to buy any anti-virus software (at least at the moment, it's not needed yet) and of course on not having to backup/format/restore because of virus infections anymore..

    Well, I don't think Linux is perfect, honestly..
    But it has everything you need for daily/office use so I feel like I'd encourage people using it if I could..
  7. joeryan

    joeryan Championship

    24 September 2007
    New York
    Times change, tough.
    Last edited: 1 March 2010
  8. gomito#10

    gomito#10 World Cup Winner

    9 May 2003
    DC, USA
    this is kind of funny cause the US goverment runs linux all over the place
  9. The_Special_One

    The_Special_One I like Unicorns

    17 August 2007
    Estoril | Knicks
  10. gomito#10

    gomito#10 World Cup Winner

    9 May 2003
    DC, USA
    whilst i think it is wrong to try and ban people from using open source software, there is a huge difference between that and piracy, which is a crime. People who download illegal music and movies are no different then a guy who walks into a wal mart or a tescos(or whatever you call it) and steals a movie, zero difference
  11. *aLe

    *aLe International

    30 August 2005
    Yes, I think that open source should be encouraged.. But I also think that there's still severe lack of information about it.

    Some people tend not to use Linux because they have been told that it comes from Unix (so they think everything is to be done via shell and so on), they don't even know that recent distros like Karmic Koala have a full graphic installer and have everything one needs for the daily use already installed.
    And, in my opinion, I find the apt-get install method very easy so even if a software is not directly installed it can be easily retrieved and installed with just 2 commands and a sudo.
    So there are no excuses for that: it's not that it IS hard to use, it's just that people THINK so.

    But, on a different note, there's still huge lack of information about Windows itself, and I'll give you just an example that applies to the newest OS, Windows 7:
    You don't know how many people disable UAC because "it just displays those annoying popups and does nothing else". And even more Windows users do not understand the importance of using limited accounts and OTS elevation, and still do things "the xp way", being logged with an admin account 24/7.
    The combination of these two "wrong" habits (combined with a user that doesn't pay the necessary attention while performing tasks) can seriously harm a PC, the exact way it was done in XP.
    For the record, I find UAC annoying myself, but after good pages of reading I understood why it has to be that way. No one would complain about having to do a sudo in Linux, even if also sudo is an elevation technique.
    I enabled the password request (typical of the OTS elevation) even for the admin account (this is something that only someone seriously concerned about security issues would do), and I use it only for administrative tasks such as installing software and drivers. For all the other tasks, there's the user account. And it's called USER for a reason.
    This "paranoia" about security issues might well come from the work I'm doing, but I'd rather type a password a time more, than harm the system
    But these are technical digressions that most of the people wouldn't even bother reading.

    So, the only thing that I can say to come back on topic is that seeing that a lot of people still misuse Windows, I can understand why they think that Linux is only for hackers or über-geeks.

    In my opinion, people just need to be more informed about Linux and open source in general. Only when people know what Linux is they can start using it properly.
  12. gomito#10

    gomito#10 World Cup Winner

    9 May 2003
    DC, USA
    i think people tend not to use it because it is so foreign to them... same reason people dont use Mac OS, people like what they are used too...
  13. Tim7

    Tim7 Retired Footballer

    6 May 2003
    Charlton Athletic FC
    You make a very good point about UAC aLe. I hadn't thought about it like that before.
  14. m7m_teddy

    m7m_teddy Avid reader, rare poster

    16 May 2005
    Timisoara (Romania)
    FC Barcelona, Rapid Buch.
    zero? that your final answer?

    Not that i'm advocating FOR piracy, but it's a difference in degree.

    Quoting Gareth Richards: "The DVD piracy warnings are good - Piracy is a crime. Please do not pirate this DVD and give it to your friends even though it seems like a really good idea! Please do not do that. It's stealing. You wouldn't steal a handbag, would you?

    And I always think No, i wouldn't. But what if i built a machine that could duplicate handbags?"


    you go to


    and of course a DK summary


    My line is be against piracy -it's a personal decision-, but don't buy everything you're told.

    On Youtube, this guy Dan Bull has 2 funny songs about that

    And then he offered his album for free on the internet. Got plenty of donations for his attitude.
  15. footyfan

    footyfan Pornaddict!

    13 December 2002
    nothing wrong with a bit of communism comrades.

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