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Is Football Being Ruined?

Discussion in 'Football' started by DagsJT, 3 September 2008.

  1. DagsJT

    DagsJT Retired Footballer

    29 November 2005
    Warrington
    Liverpool
    Really interesting article and a great read.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. T Butcher fan

    T Butcher fan Champions League

    3 December 2001
    I was going to post this a few days ago - very good article.

    The problem is that people who went to matches in the 70's, 80's and 90's and still go now are very much a minority. Now not only is a hefty proportion of the crowd families and day trippers (in the Premiership at least), but you also have TV viewers in the millions to take into account.

    While I'm fully in agreement with what this guy says, football now is a totally different sport. It became money fixated in the 80's and will follow that route to the end - nothing a bunch of grumpy old men can do about it because it is no longer ours. It is a "made for TV" event and belongs to the couch potatoes now.
     
  3. gomito#10

    gomito#10 World Cup Winner

    9 May 2003
    DC, USA
    wow, you cant have beer in your hand and watch the game!!!! wtf...
     
  4. gerd

    gerd Retired Footballer

    8 January 2002
    Over the moon
    KRC Genk, Spurs
    I agree with both the article and Terry (as nearly always, except about SWP).
    There will come a time when people like the writer will be seen as dinosaurs on the verge of extinction.

    Then we will have the new football fans: the happy few who come to watch the matches life and the millions who can watch it on television.

    As a foreigner i might add something, that is more about fair competition. The fact that as a Belgian i more interested in the Premiership is ominous.

    You have all the world class players in your competition. If i see that a player like Robinho prefers a club like Manchester City instead of European giants like Benfica, Celtic, Ajax then something is wrong. Teams without tradition like Hull City, Wigan Athletic or Reading (and i mention three teams i really like) succeed to attract players that will never play for renowned clubs like Ajax, Feyenoord, Porto, Anderlecht etc, then something is wrong.

    Football being football now and then there is the possibility of a surprise (Monaco-Porto as a CL final, Deportiva la Coruna outclassing Ac Milan), but the odds of a litle club winning silverware are not very high.

    In the long term that is bad for football. Americans have understood that perfectly. One can see that the way they have organized their sports competitions like the NBA.

    Because the odd thing is that even if football is ruled by people with commercial minds. The way thing are going now is in the long term not commercial at all...
     
  5. DagsJT

    DagsJT Retired Footballer

    29 November 2005
    Warrington
    Liverpool
    No mate. Even in non-league games, the FA have told clubhouses we can only have alcohol inside the clubhouse :((

    On a side note, I'd love football to completely change and say that only players from within X distance can play for X club.

    So that way, Scousers would play for Liverpool or Everton (Tranmere etc even). People from Hull would play for Hull or other surrounding clubs.

    I understand this would severely hamper players in such countries like Brazil and Argentina, as well as African countries. But it would really improve the game in general, improve the spirit of the teams and would certainly help lower leagues.
     
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  6. Mack

    Mack Champions League

    8 August 2003
    Manchester
    MCFC
    Unless your a Billionare and called Mike Ashley!
     
  7. Sabac Red

    Sabac Red Premiership

    22 November 2002
    Yeah of course it does along with the casual racism...

    I and many other supporters(consumers, manufactured support, etc...) have not destroyed the game, football is a business which is run by capitalists like any other cash cow...

    Sevilla? Portsmouth? Tottenham? Greece?

    In regards to a few leagues yes, but to some of the cup competitions no...
     
  8. DagsJT

    DagsJT Retired Footballer

    29 November 2005
    Warrington
    Liverpool
    I think by "little" he probably means someone from the Championship, and challenging on a constant basis.

    The stronger teams have gotten stronger and made it too hard to compete.
     
  9. Milanista

    Milanista Mangiamoli! Staff

    19 December 2002
    London & Milan
    AC Milan
    Agree about the clubs, have nothing to say about the fans. Player contracts are a joke now, salaries are way too high, and transfer fees are also too high. Mack, Spurs is not a 'little' club anymore, they have so much money that its completely unfair to call them 'little'. Portsmouth too. There should also be a cap on the number of foreign players, as it diminishes the chance of domestic youth to even enter the football profession. I'm not talking about England only, but most European countries. The bigs are always getting bigger as they operate as businesses, and the smalls are always getting smaller.

    Its also quite strange that every year we have more than 2 reports of players getting heart problems from big leagues or clubs, theyre constantly increasing matches - its reached the point where fans of big clubs hate seeing their players play for their countries. And now countries have to pay clubs to compensate for injuries!!!!! Playing for your country is meant to be an honour and duty, not a luxury. TV money is ridiculous, and are one of the reasons for increasing matches every year.

    edit - dags, your idea is good, but i dont think it would ever work, for the reasons you mentioned. But a mandatory minimum of players could work. For example, for UEFA clubs, minimum of 5 from Liverpool - not Liverpool youth (players from loads of countries but youth team) - but youth as in from Liverpool.
     
    Last edited: 3 September 2008
  10. matherto

    matherto 12 Times

    13 October 2004
    St. Helens, Merseyside.
    Manchester United
    That way the FA could concentrate on having dedicated football centres in all regions, and they'd be guarenteed of getting players into professional teams.

    Great idea Dags :))
     
  11. Nick Cave

    Nick Cave Wrexham fan for my sins...

    10 July 2004
    Non football league waste land...
    Wrexham AFC
    Football has gone from being of the people for the people to a corporate cash fest. I for one hope football eats itself in it's current format.
     
  12. Mack

    Mack Champions League

    8 August 2003
    Manchester
    MCFC
    Woooah i didnt say anything of the sort, I wouldnt say Spurs have ever been a little club imo. Id put them in the same class as us, Villa ect we have tradition and history but never the most succesfull.
     
  13. T Butcher fan

    T Butcher fan Champions League

    3 December 2001
    And yet football has never been so popular. What we have is what 'the people' want. You don't like it, I don't like it but there are countless millions who are happy with the way it is. They love the glamour, they love the hype, they don't groan every time Sky knock out a cheesy trailer for the next 'Supernova Sunday'.

    It's still the people's game and no matter how ludicrous it becomes, it always will be. But you won't find many of 'the people' here, or football365 or anywhere in the media because they don't care that much. It's just entertainment now.
     
  14. gerd

    gerd Retired Footballer

    8 January 2002
    Over the moon
    KRC Genk, Spurs
    Today my five year old son went the first time to a real football training. He's mad about it.
    He asked a real football shirt from Barcelona and my 8 year old daughter is a fan of Chelsea...
    When i was that age we wanted shirts from belgian teams: Anderlecht, Standard, Brugge...
    I guess that's what we call globalization. Belgium is a third world country in football and the gap is widening....
     
  15. DagsJT

    DagsJT Retired Footballer

    29 November 2005
    Warrington
    Liverpool
    That's pretty bad, I agree. They should be growing up with Belgian teams, as you say.
     
  16. OPM

    OPM ... Staff

    2 June 2003
    Budapest
    .

    force them to wear the real deal. take them to a match of your favorite club. show them it's fun there aswell. they are old enough to go to a stadium in my opinion. i'd be a struggler searching for a big club to follow today aswell if it wasn't for my dad taking me to MY club. now i am fan for 16 years. we are playing 2nd division now. so what? it's just fantastic to meet with friends to go to our club. we don't need robinho or ibrahimovic. it's all about the passion and fun, not about the big success, in my opinion.

    show them that there are good clubs in belgium!! :EASY:
     
  17. gomito#10

    gomito#10 World Cup Winner

    9 May 2003
    DC, USA
    true, i have season tickets for an MLS team, we hardly have any robhinos! but following your own team is great fun. I think you need to get that kid to a local game gerd.
     
  18. sauce

    sauce Warriors

    20 September 2005
    Chatbox, Brazil
    Cruzeiro
    You know what, no it would not, at least talking about Brazil, the one I follow closely.

    There are a lot a good players around the country,
    Some years ago most of the players were local,
    but the problem is that most of the clubs now chose partnerships with money investors, even for 14 years old,
    since they say they don't have money and european football is eating us up.

    But the reason that we got this way was most of it our own fault. With the biggest problem being corruption, how many club presidents and player managers got millionaire over dirty transactions,
    or seducing young kids with instant money.

    And while everybody was amazed by the money they could make managing young talents. They forgot about important things like the fans, make the game a spectacle.

    Now some clubs realized that, but it is too late cause most of them are broke,
    and selling players, not only the Robinhos and Patos, but the Glaubers etc, is a much easier and faster way to make money. But a dead alley.

    Local football still fun, but if you know what to expect.
     
  19. DagsJT

    DagsJT Retired Footballer

    29 November 2005
    Warrington
    Liverpool
    Interesting post, cheers sauce :))
     
  20. T Butcher fan

    T Butcher fan Champions League

    3 December 2001
    I agree Sauce. Domestic football would be better all round the world if we all kept to our own leagues and was immune to money. There's no mystery in football anymore, you know the players of every team and you know how they play.

    In England the system for bringing up kids has been so poorly developed that we have failed whole generations of kids (me included ;))). The flair in kids that we hunted down and killed in the 80's has had to be imported into professional football since the early 90's. And now we're importing foreign kids, while we only teach our own the finer arts of 'kick and chase'.

    I despair.
     
  21. gerd

    gerd Retired Footballer

    8 January 2002
    Over the moon
    KRC Genk, Spurs
    It's even worse in "litle" football countries like Belgium.
    We have great national youth teams (look at our Olympic teams) we even have a 16 or 17 year old who is rated as one of the best players in the world (in his age category of course, i'm talking about Eden Hazard), but none (or very few) of these players play for Belgian teams. In the olympic team only GK Bailly and Marouane Fellaini (who now plays for Everton). Eden Hazard plays for Lille.

    After the match against Italy which was won by our Olympic team, lots of Italian teams were impressed by Moussa Dembele (AZ67). IMHO he is a big talent. Well as a 17 year old Anderlecht wanted him to come, he turned Anderlecht down and went playing in Holland for....Willem II. With all respect, but Anderlecht or Willem II...All the young talents from the Dutch speaking part of Belgium join Dutch clubs, almost all the young talents from the French speaking part of the country join Northern French clubs like Lille, Sedan, Valenciennes, Lens and Metz. Only exception: Standard de Liège have lots of good young players and let them play. Look how good they did against Liverpool...Other Belgian teams prefer third or fourth rate foreigners to homegrown players...
     
  22. gomito#10

    gomito#10 World Cup Winner

    9 May 2003
    DC, USA
    i guess this is true, belgium is like three countries in one, hey at least you guys can still produce awesome beer!
     

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