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Is 4-5-1 killing the game?

Discussion in 'Football' started by Nickybaker, 19 September 2005.

Is 4-5-1 killing football?

  1. Yes it is..zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    60.0%
  2. No it shows good tactics and discipline

    40.0%
  1. Nickybaker

    Nickybaker You want SEVEN?

    15 October 2003
    Essex
    The one and only Arsenal
    A lot has been said over the last few weeks but after the Man U v Liverpool game yesterday I have heard the words "Death of the premiership" an awful lot.

    Is there anything to be done to stop this, I don't know, but it's boring the fuck out of me.

    I understand that for teams relegation can lead to financial ruin but there must be a solution.

    I read somewhere that the average goals per game in the EPL is just over 2 compared to 2.5 in Italy and over 3 in Germany.
     
    Last edited: 19 September 2005
  2. :: JJ ::

    :: JJ :: Guest

    Yes
     
  3. Clockender

    Clockender is back...but for how long?

    27 November 2001
    East Lower, Block 13
    Arsenal FC
    If yesterdays match is anything to go by then YES!
     
  4. Vannizzlefashizzal

    Vannizzlefashizzal TWENTYTIMES!!!!

    31 October 2002
    Its killing our game, we have been playing 1 up front since we bought Ruud and we've only won the league once in that time and our football has been getting worse each year even though technically we have better players is key positions than we ever have...

    saying that I dont think everyone should play 4-4-2, regardless of the formation the players should have a positive attitude to going forward which is something that is lacking IMO.

    It could be down to teams being cautious in the 1st half of the season, so we'll wait and see what happens after xmas.
     
  5. Professor Nutmeg

    Professor Nutmeg ML Fanatic

    3 July 2002
    Master League
  6. Alucard

    Alucard Guest

    You only agree coz he says chelsea aint boring lol. Alan Hansen sucks any team that are the champions of the premiership.lol
     
  7. RuneEdge

    RuneEdge Silent Assassin

    1 October 2003
    Turn around, I'm right behind you...
    Manchester United
    He doesnt know what he's talking about. The 4-5-1 that he says everyone used years ago isnt the same as the 4-5-1 we use today.

    Heres a simple question. If the Premiership isnt really boring, why are people calling it boring in the first place? I could have fell asleep through the Anfield game.
     
  8. CW

    CW C Dub Founding Member

    6 October 2001
    Liverpool
    Fuck yeh!!
     
  9. Mastermind

    Mastermind FRANCESC SON!

    28 June 2005
    North London
    Da Goons
    My overall verdict after weighing everything up is - i wouldn't say its killing the game buts its not a pleasant site.
     
  10. Professor Nutmeg

    Professor Nutmeg ML Fanatic

    3 July 2002
    Master League
    No young man. I agree with him, because i agree. It has nothing to do with Chelsea being mentioned. I, unlike a lot of people around here, am able to talk about football without a club hat on. Yes, i support Chelsea, but i don't let it blind me like a lot of the juveniles on these boards.

    PS lol
     
  11. Dar

    Dar Fullonrapist Staff

    21 February 2003
    Dublin
    lol Nutmeg...... lol.
     
  12. crayon

    crayon Yamato Gaijin

    23 October 2004
    Hokkaido Japan
    Liverpool FC
    4-5-1 is awful, with service cut off to the top man. It's professionalism over entertainment in this case, with clubs desperate to get points to avoid the drop (Everton?:D) but it bores the bollocks off me.
     
  13. rockykabir

    rockykabir hello

    30 March 2003
    London -> New York -> San Francisco
    Liverpool FC
    In time, Clubs will (hopefully) begin to acknowledge that only a select number of teams and managers will be able to utilize the 4-5-1 system efficiently. I won't fully blame the 4-5-1 system as many European teams have successfully played with the system whilst maintaining sublime play.

    And who knows? maybe we are in the transitional stage of the Premiership from the traditional English style 4-4-2 to the more continental 4-5-1. It may actually work out to be a good thing for the future of English football...
     
  14. joostebrood

    joostebrood Premiership

    4 March 2002
    I see a lot of matches per year and only a few are actually worth watching. Even the Dutch league is boring these days.
     
  15. airjoca

    airjoca International

    29 July 2003
    Amadora, Portugal
    SL Benfica
    Well, the Portuguese national team plays in 4-5-1, although it is usually said that it's a 4-3-3. Pauleta is usually on is own upfront. Still, can't say they're boring to watch...
     
  16. crayon

    crayon Yamato Gaijin

    23 October 2004
    Hokkaido Japan
    Liverpool FC
    I guess a system is only as good as the players to utilise it. If only there were more decent wingers about.....
     
  17. Milanista

    Milanista Mangiamoli! Staff

    19 December 2002
    London & Milan
    AC Milan
    Barcellona are virtually a 4-5-1. Eto'o upfront. Really its a 4-3-3, but what exactly is the difference if Ronnie and Giuly arent exactly the strikers? would make it 5 midfielders.
     
  18. Revan

    Revan out the window

    8 August 2003
    Madeira, Portugal.
    FC Porto
    The tactics have nothing to do about it. If it is boring or not I really can't tell cause I only watch one game per week of the EPL.
    There are alot of teams out there that use only one striker but play great football.
     
  19. Oli

    Oli Gooner

    1 September 2002
    London
    Arsenal
    Barcelona are much more of a 4-3-3 than a 4-5-1.

    Eto
    Ronny Giuly

    deco xavi
    van bom

    Thats very attacking IMO

    But 4-5-1 is ruining the game. Football is extremely boring nowdays. I can only bare to watch Arsenal, Barcelona, Milan (when they're on form) because they're the only interesting teams.
     
  20. Mack

    Mack Champions League

    8 August 2003
    Manchester
    MCFC
    Its not the most entertaining tactic in the world, but its not the only reason for boring football out of all the teams that played over the weekend in the Premiership only Chelsea, Charlton, Everton, Liverpool, Man Yoo, Bolton, and Sunderland played that way with the rest playing various versions of 4-4-2! So no its not the 4-5-1 fault IMO!
     
  21. Nickybaker

    Nickybaker You want SEVEN?

    15 October 2003
    Essex
    The one and only Arsenal
    I think that is the difference as Ronnie is always bombing forward whereas teams like Everton have a man sitting in front of the back 4 who doesn't push forward.
     
  22. Nickybaker

    Nickybaker You want SEVEN?

    15 October 2003
    Essex
    The one and only Arsenal
    But it's difficult for teams not playing it to play against hence the reason teams do it.

    If a team floods the midfield and only looks to counter you have to be weary going forward hence the unexciting football.
     
  23. Mack

    Mack Champions League

    8 August 2003
    Manchester
    MCFC
    But surly then that is down to the teams mentality and not the tactic...!?
     
  24. Nickybaker

    Nickybaker You want SEVEN?

    15 October 2003
    Essex
    The one and only Arsenal
    It is but you'd be silly to commit football suicide by bombing forward, letting a couple of cheap goals in and then playing against a 100% defence 5-5-0 formation.
     
  25. Big Boss

    Big Boss KJH = The Hunter!

    23 July 2003
    The Netherlands
    Ajax & Strasbourg
    Spot on Jamie, i think u are all looking a bit too much at the numbers, wether u play 4-5-1; 4-4-2 or 4-4-3 it can still be very attacking (or defensive offcourse) It all depends on the players on the field and their mentality and the managers instructions. Johan Cruijff is always saying that the formation is not very important, its the teams attitude towards the game that makes it worthwile to watch (or not)
     
  26. ClassicD

    ClassicD Galáctico

    11 November 2001
    Glasgow
    Celtic
    The Premier League is launching an investigation to find out why attendances are so poor this season, BBC Link.

    I watched the Liverpool vs Man Utd game at the weekend and would agree with the general view that it was pish. Tactics or not, the EPL is hitting a bit of a rough patch with defensive play resulting in less goals, boring matches and falling attendances. The title was sewn up for a long time before it was officially handed over last season, and it's going the same way this year already (IMO).

    "Best League In The World"? My arse. Our country may be smaller and not have players of the calibre of the top English sides, but at least it always provides a title race, two of the past three seasons taking until seconds from the final whistle of the season to decide the champions. The last time that happened in England was when Blackburn won the league.
     
  27. RuneEdge

    RuneEdge Silent Assassin

    1 October 2003
    Turn around, I'm right behind you...
    Manchester United
    Agree with ClassicD here. I think I should start watching SPL on Setanta.
     
  28. crayon

    crayon Yamato Gaijin

    23 October 2004
    Hokkaido Japan
    Liverpool FC
    It'd certainly be cheaper watching four matches a season. :lol: I agree with you Classic D, best league in the world my arse too, but Runedge, stay off the pop. :mrgreen: All leagues have good and bad qualities, ups and downs. Personally I like taking them all in for the love of the game (jeez, perhaps I should stay off the pop.... ;) ).
     
  29. RuneEdge

    RuneEdge Silent Assassin

    1 October 2003
    Turn around, I'm right behind you...
    Manchester United
    But can you blame the teams that are ruining the entertainment? Chelsea might be boring but its effective. Lower teams usually have no chance against the big teams so they too have to be boring.

    The fact that it pays to be boring is the main reason why this isnt gonna change for a long time. Unless some manager finally develops a new strategy based on attacking strongly 'Brazil-style' (who also are starting to use counter attacks) and proves theres a new way to play the game, nothing is gonna change.
     
  30. Oli

    Oli Gooner

    1 September 2002
    London
    Arsenal
    I think the FA should give up and let us watch all the Saturday games live on Sky. Attendances are dropping anyway
     

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