I made this topic because a post Mauras made in the WE10 thread got me thinking, and it's nothing to do with WE10 so a new topic was needed. Can't believe I'm going to disagree with you Mauras! The problem isn't a player who keeps possession, it's a game engine which awards fouls far too often. A player who keeps possession is doing the right thing if his ultimate goal is to secure victory. That's the beauty of football, some teams will attack incessently no matter how tight the game is or what the score stands at, while others will get their noses in front and 'control' the flow and pace of the game to their advantage. I have to admit in PES4 online I often played this way in the league matches we had on here. If it was a very tight game and about 15 mins or less to go with a scoreline that favoured me, I would try and keep the ball at all costs without showing too much incentive for attacking play. If I have the ball, the other player cannot score (well, usually!). In WE9/PES5 I haven't played competitively so I've never tried it here, I can't say how I feel about it. Some people have different opinions on sportsmanship in the games - what you consider cheating here I probably consider smart, perhaps boring and not entertaining, but definitely 'smart', tactical football. A pet hate of mine while playing online is an opponent who moves his defender onto the goal line at free-kicks, especially at short-range free-kicks as you really need a more floated, slower shot here and it's not hard to head away using this strategically-placed defender. It's perhaps more acceptable now in WE9/PES5 and in 'local' games (same PS2), but in PES4 online as the client the FK power-bar was extremely erratic and pretty impossible to judge correctly. I think in that situation if you're good enough to get the ball up and down over the wall and it's a goal, that should be enough. Other people don't close down the defender at a goal-kick, so that the player has the choice of going short or playing the long pass to midfield. IMO, if I have taller, more powerful midfielders it's beneficial for me if the opposition GK is forced to punt the ball high. It's not taking advantage of a glitch in the game (like I think the FK thing was in PES4 online as the client), the GK can still play it short if he chooses it's just a bit risky. It's tactical, IMO. What about short FKs? Sometimes as a defensive player the game doesn't allow you to mark a free opponent player in time and an opponent who will always go short really bugs me. This is taking advantage of a 'glitch' or fault in the game IMO. It's a bit like in a racing game, you can 'cut' certain corners or chicanes by driving across grass or bits of track you are not meant to. How does everyone else play, what in your eyes constitutes cheating or 'cheap' play?