FIFA & PES: Contrast & Compare

Discussion in 'FIFA' started by Clown Baby, 8 September 2015.

  1. Topaz

    Topaz Programmer/TheAwesomeGem

    21 October 2011
    United States
    Chelsea, Spain
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo

    Same feeling.
     
  2. steveee

    steveee League 2

    17 March 2003
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo

    I'm curious what else do you consider broken or BAD in the PES2016 demo besides the foul system that makes you say that?

    I tend to think PES2016 is back at its best finally or been that way but this year has solidified it to me despite the broken foul system in the demo. The control and responsiveness addicting gameplay reminds me of PES at its best back on PS2.

    I listened to that video and those guys did favor PES and well I can't say I disagree with much of what they were saying but yeah I also think the FIFA2016 demo this year has a much better pace and game flow as compared to before out of the box and they are gearing more towards PES pace imo which is a good thing. I still prefer the PES pace and flow of the match buildup play better though and think it's perfect actually but the thing about FIFA is it does have sliders and people will make that game play even better once they get their hands on it. The thing is though this FIFA is the first I can recall that I can stand playing just by putting game speed at low...it plays a good game of football without even adjusting any sliders even which is positive. Not only can i can stand playing it.. I played it 4 hours straight after downloading it and had a lot of fun with it.

    I still think that PES doesn't need sliders though to make the game great.. and that's what I enjoy about it as well as it's already great out of the box. The only slider PES needs is one for the foul system.. 0 - 5 like game speed. :)

    I dunno.. I just have a hard time slighting either game to be honest at the moment as I think both demos are very good and that's a good thing.. granted I only had one night of playing FIFA compared to a lot of playtime in the PES demo.

    one thing I think I disagree with though with what those guys said in that video is I don't feel that FIFA controls feel clunky at all... I thought they felt very good and responsive to me.

    maybe after I play more of the FIFA demo tonight I will have a different opinion
     
    Last edited: 9 September 2015
  3. Lons

    Lons AMIGA HARDCORE FAN!

    15 December 2007
    Warsaw and Danzig Poland
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo

    Im totally disagree with You. Pes has a little bit faster pace than Fifa but it's doesn't mean Fifa is more sim game. You are wrong. Pes 2016 is better in many era than Fifa 16.

    - in this moment graphics in two games are very similar ( forget time when Fifa smashed Pes )

    - players model are miles better in Pes 2016

    - kits looks much better in Pes

    - faces looks better in Pes too

    - movements looks more organic and free in Pes 2016. In Fifa 16 a lot of animations are weird. When i play Fifa 16 i feel control a puppets not a humans.

    - collision system ( HaVok) is better in Pes 2016

    - dynamic camera is also looks better in Pes 2016

    - individuality is also much, much better in Pes 2016

    - keepers animations looks similar in two games( forget time when Fifa smashed Pes)

    - shooting is better in Pes 2016

    - tackling feels better in Pes 2016

    - net looks better in Pes and the physics is better when You score GOAL.

    - foot planting better in Pes 2016.

    Please don't tell me how Fifa 16 is better than Pes 2016 because in my opinion is not true. Not true:SNACK:
     
    Last edited: 9 September 2015
  4. gabe.paul.logan

    gabe.paul.logan Data Collection

    7 January 2007
    Budapest
    Hungary
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo

    i'll try one more time the next gen FIFA demo but for the first 2-3 matches it felt 95% the same as 15
     
  5. P34SEMM

    P34SEMM @iam_emmo

    2 November 2011
    Romford
    Liverpool FC
  6. P34SEMM

    P34SEMM @iam_emmo

    2 November 2011
    Romford
    Liverpool FC
    FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo

    After switching between the 2 demos tonight I have come to the conclusion that scoring a goal in pes now feels how Fifa did years ago - soulless.
    Everything else ain't that bad and It plays really nice but due to lack of licences and stadium the game will feel cheap and half finished.
    Plus with a week to go - no news on option files.
     
  7. steveee

    steveee League 2

    17 March 2003
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo


    not going to disagree with that.. this is the stuff I expect from konami every year now.. I don't expect anything from online play whatsoever with PES..
     
  8. steveee

    steveee League 2

    17 March 2003
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo


    If you are playing with basic shooting in PES.. I can't disagree much with that because it's to easy to score playing like that and to over powered basically now in PES more than before. however, playing manual shot fixes this for me

    this is a problem in both games... once you turn PES to manual shooting it opens up the shot variety..

    the Assisted shooting in FIFA is broken I feel as well.. you will hit the post the entire match much like you were using Advanced shooting in PES for the first time hitting the cross bar

    any ways, I feel manual shooting fixes the soulless issue you stated in PES.

    both demos need to play on manual shooting for best results.. I have a feeling konami might tone done basic shooting for the PES retail code and EA will fix the assisted shooting hitting the post to much as well.
     
    Last edited: 9 September 2015
  9. Ronaldinho_23

    Ronaldinho_23 Premiership

    11 February 2007
    Spain
    Fc. Barcelona , Juventus
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo

    Fifa is more complete.

    shoots
    animations
    lights
    goalkeepers
    defenders
    kits
    online
    CPU
     
  10. vincef

    vincef League 2

    16 July 2003
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo

    And that's when you lost all your credibility.. Do you really want to talk about super slow keeper's animation in PES 2016? Do you really want to compare them to FIFA's? Come on, you can't be serious...
     
  11. chiefrocka4real

    chiefrocka4real Champions League

    30 August 2013
    Munich
    many :)
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo

    Thank you :APPLAUD:

    I was like WTF?? when I read that about the keepers.
     
  12. gabe.paul.logan

    gabe.paul.logan Data Collection

    7 January 2007
    Budapest
    Hungary
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo

    FIFA have keepers. PES have bright prospects based on a broken foundation but not keepers atm sadly
     
  13. Lons

    Lons AMIGA HARDCORE FAN!

    15 December 2007
    Warsaw and Danzig Poland
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo

    I see you have problem with reading a text. MR. i wrote about animations. Keepers animations in Pes 2016 looks very good. A lot of them are better than FIFA keepers animations. The most important THING is Pes 2016 keepers animations are in the same technicall( quality) level like in Fifa 16. Mr. 1-2-3-4-5-6-7 years ago FIFA had better quality animations but not now! FIFA has more varied animations but not better!!!
    Read carefully.:Y1 I tell you more..... HAVOK on Pes 2016 in particular in collision system looks much better than FIFA's engine. Forget about FIFA's domination in technically level!;)
     
    Last edited: 10 September 2015
  14. Clown Baby

    Clown Baby Banned

    10 August 2015
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo


    This is my biggest gripe with PES now. It was the same in 2015 too.

    I remember hating the FIFA games back in the day for the same thing.

    When I score in the PES 2016 demo, it doesn't feel as if I have worked hard for it. On the FIFA demo scoring a goal feels rewarding.
     
  15. chiefrocka4real

    chiefrocka4real Champions League

    30 August 2013
    Munich
    many :)
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo

    Hmmm well each to their own.

    I think PES keeper animations made a huge step forward, specially on saves.
    But imho I would not say that they are better than FIFA.
    Absolutely not!

    Big plus is, that they roll on the ground now after they jumped up (I think that came with PES 2015).
    I was waiting quite long for this.
    Big big minus is when they let goals through and it looks like they don´t show any kind of effort and are not stretching out.
    This is mostly with shots in the box.

    FIFA does that better imo.
    When keepers stretch out and it´s comprehensible that they were trying to get the ball.

    If KONAMI manages that to implement, I would change my mind.

    It´s also possible that there are a few animations which look better in PES than in FIFA.

    But in total - to me - FIFA clearly wins on that aspect.
     
  16. Chris Davies

    Chris Davies Chief PESsimist Staff

    14 May 2003
    Tranmere Rovers
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo

    Loving this thread and there's great points on both sides.

    I'm a bit torn - I feel like FIFA is the better game and playing PES afterwards feels like anything but a simulation, it feels (no offence intended here) silly, and a bit "flyaway". BUT, I played the draft mode last night in the FIFA demo (I had no idea you could do that, and that it meant SIX MINUTE HALVES), and...

    Well, I played against Seattle on professional (anything higher and the CPU keeps the ball a bit too well for my liking, even if it's a realistic approach it's not realistically implemented). I managed to get a goal in the 85th minute - and it felt amazing, honestly - but I felt torn at the final whistle because Seattle were so strong defensively for the majority of the game in terms of their positioning.

    There was a FIFA many moons ago - I think the same engine was used on the PSP (not Vita) version of the game - where putting the difficulty to maximum would result in a defence that was absolutely resolute in their positioning, creating (laughably) a perfectly straight line in-front of the box and becoming utterly impenetrable because of the AI's military precision in keeping that line, even if you were playing against a League Two side.

    It felt a little bit like that. I couldn't break through for so long and it was really frustrating, even with a team with stats as high as Chelsea's.

    But then, in real life, I guess a team in their position WOULD defend deep and hold their position... It just felt a little bit too perfect for Seattle.

    But then... Going back to the PES demo, the goals all feel so similar, and I feel no satisfaction in scoring, and even though I can see the AI and the massive improvements made in that sense, it doesn't translate into a rewarding experience for me because of how the game rewards you for bypassing the midfield (almost as if the pitch is too wide for the AI to cope with).

    Online games are going to be a big test, too. I get the feeling that PES is going to be a high-speed button-mashing meltdown of a game, and FIFA's largest fanbase (i.e. kids) will try to make FIFA the same way. Will they succeed if they pressure you for 90 minutes and try button-spamming their way to success?

    ALSO (last two points)...

    I know a few people who are saying the FIFA demo feels "boring" and I can understand why. I disagree, but I can understand it, because the game is so much slower. But the way I feel about it is that this results in a game where you really have to think. That's my dream! A football game where the winner is the better tactician (not that we're there yet). There are people who are happy with five hard-fought 0-0s in a row (like me), and people who want to play tiki-taka, dribble like they're made of jelly and play amazing, Barca-esque football (not me).

    Lastly - lots of people saying that pace isn't important now. Again, I can understand why, but I think it's been toned down to match real life and we're so used to stupidly fast wingers dominating matches that we've begun to accept that as "real".

    I got a killer ball to my winger last night, and he absolutely burst through to the opposition defence, put a cross in and... Should have been a goal, but it wasn't. My point being - pace is still there, you just notice it when it would be realistic to...
     
    Last edited: 10 September 2015
  17. P34SEMM

    P34SEMM @iam_emmo

    2 November 2011
    Romford
    Liverpool FC
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo

    If i try and organise a game on slow settings with fifa online i cant get a game.

    anyways played FIFA demo last night. I was Chelsea playing Sounders. It was all me and I couldnt get the ball in the net. A combination of poor finishing, good keeping and pure luck on sounders part kept the score at 0-0 until the 84th minute when Oscar got a bit of space - waited for Hazard to find space in the box and found him with a slightly over hit pass. The ball flicked up a bit and Hazard with the outside of his foot bent a shot past the keeper at his near post.
    It was a real fist in the air moment.
    I havent had any of these moments on PES. Not one.
     
  18. Placebo

    Placebo Ԁlɐɔǝqo

    3 May 2003
    La Manga Del Mar Menor, Spain.
    Sheffield Wednesday
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo

    There's something intangibly special about the Fifa16 demo, just hope EA don't break that magical whatever it is between now and retail release.
     
  19. Clown Baby

    Clown Baby Banned

    10 August 2015
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo

    Same. This FIFA demo really is impressive.

    The thing is, it's not just 1 or 2 "FIFA fanboys" with an agenda who are stating these things. All of the people here are seasoned PES players and we're giving an honest opinion.

    Basically, FIFA 16 is a bloody good demo.
     
  20. P34SEMM

    P34SEMM @iam_emmo

    2 November 2011
    Romford
    Liverpool FC
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo

    Im sure both games are good in their ways. Have always said if you take the best from both you would have one hell of a game.

    PES though to me - as ive got older - just seems a lot of hard work to get it look good. Yes it plays nice but not nice enough. Scoring goals was pure joy in older PESs - its not now for some reason.

    ps - Shopto are processing FIFA orders on 21/09 for desptach on 22nd meaning game arrives on Wednesday.

    think ive finally made mind up when and go Fifa. Ill get PES in a few months time when Option files are done and game has been patched a few times.
     
  21. Dazfeeder

    Dazfeeder Harvester of Sorrow

    24 September 2003
    Manchester United
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo

    FIFA is the better demo, but PES is really impressive though, getting both games.
     
  22. Dazfeeder

    Dazfeeder Harvester of Sorrow

    24 September 2003
    Manchester United
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo

    Thats fair enough mate, I would go with FIFA then.
     
  23. Clown Baby

    Clown Baby Banned

    10 August 2015
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo

    Yep I am the same, the days of buying 2 football games are over for me. There isn't enough hours in the day to extensively play both games.
     
  24. Dazfeeder

    Dazfeeder Harvester of Sorrow

    24 September 2003
    Manchester United
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo

    Which game do you prefer mate?
     
  25. Woodzy

    Woodzy League 1

    1 September 2004
    South Wales
    Manchester United
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo

    If you are spending nearly £100 then you aren't looking in the right places.

    I have both games on pre-order with a total of £64 spent. Now don't get me wrong, that is still an obscene amount of money (and i've had to run it buy the mrs myself), but it's still not bad for two brand new games.
     
  26. P34SEMM

    P34SEMM @iam_emmo

    2 November 2011
    Romford
    Liverpool FC
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo

    PES is £39 on Shopto for PS4
    FIFA is £42 on PS4/XB1
     
  27. Sugarray

    Sugarray O Glorioso

    12 August 2003
    Brasil
    Botafogo - RJ
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo

    Im already pre order both games, same as last year.
     
  28. Sbu

    Sbu Banned

    29 July 2010
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo

    I downloaded the PES demo first day it was released. Thought it was good.. liked the day lighting. Last PES game I played was PES6. It still felt samey to me as though the series hasn't moved much.

    After playing the FIFA 16 demo PES 16 shortcomings became more pronounced.
    For me FIFA 16 demo wins.
     
  29. Woodzy

    Woodzy League 1

    1 September 2004
    South Wales
    Manchester United
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo

    I know exactly what you mean. I go through the same drama every year now. I still haven't told her about Football Manager either...

    It really doesn't help that the release dates are a week apart this year. I managed to get away with it fairly hassle free last year.

    I've been sneaky this year and got myself a digital copy of Fifa though.
     
  30. Clown Baby

    Clown Baby Banned

    10 August 2015
    Re: FIFA 16 Demo v PES 2016 Demo


    FIFA 16 mate. PES 2016 isn't a bad demo by any means, but it's got far too many gripes.
     

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