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European Top 24 Clubs .....

Discussion in 'Football' started by ortansevin, 1 October 2005.

  1. ortansevin

    ortansevin CLOSED USER !!

    1 April 2005
    Bagdat Caddesi / Istanbul
    Fenerbahce SK
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    European Top 24 Clubs .....

    1 Lyon 39
    2 Bayern 36
    3 Chelsea 33
    4 Juventus 33
    5 Inter Milan 30
    6 Arsenal 28
    7 Fenerbahce 26
    8 Barcelona 26
    9 Man United 23
    10 Milan 22
    11 G.Rangers 22
    12 PSV Eindh. 22
    13 Liverpool 19
    14 Lille 18
    15 R.Madrid 18
    16 Bremen 16
    17 Schalke 16
    18 Benfica 16
    19 Brugge 14
    20 Betis 14
    21 Porto 13
    22 Ajax 13
    23 Olympiakos 12
    24 Villarreal 11


    STARTING TOP 24 TEAMS

    ENGLAND: Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Manchester United

    ITALY: AC Milan, Juventus, Inter Milan

    SPAIN: Barcelona, Real Madrid, Real Betis, Villarreal

    GERMANY: Bayern Munich, Schalke 04, Werder Bremen

    NETHERLANDS: PSV, Ajax

    FRANCE: Lyon, Lille

    SCOTLAND: Rangers

    TURKEY: Fenerbahçe

    PORTUGAL: Benfica, Porto

    GREECE: Olympiakos

    BELGIUM: Club Brugge
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    Last edited: 1 October 2005
  2. ooh_harry

    ooh_harry League 1

    8 July 2005
    Fosters home for imaginary friends
    Arsenal, Juventus
    only time before bayern, lyon and fenerbahce start slipping down
     
  3. ClassicD

    ClassicD Galáctico

    11 November 2001
    Glasgow
    Celtic
    That show/table is garbage. It's fundamentally flawed because it counts all domestic leagues as equal, i.e. a win in Holland for PSV at home to NEC counts for as much as Inter winning away to Juventus in Serie A.
     
  4. Revan

    Revan out the window

    8 August 2003
    Madeira, Portugal.
    FC Porto
    It's based on results, not the quality of the teams. Isn't results what football is about? We reach the end of season we should see the domestic leagues winners on top. to see who is above who they use the CL.
     
  5. ClassicD

    ClassicD Galáctico

    11 November 2001
    Glasgow
    Celtic
    I'm saying the table is flawed, because winning a domestic game in Scotland, Holland, or Portugal, is worth as much as winning one in Serie A, La Liga or the EPL. It's much tougher to win a game in a bigger league, but that's not reflected in the points and is why you end up with, for example, Fenerbahce ahead of Barcelona and AC Milan.

    It's the same reason why the Golden Boot award gives 3 points per goal scored in Italy, Spain, etc, and only 1 point for a goal scored in Scotland - the quality of opposition has to be taken into account.
     
  6. Stan

    Stan Allez les Lionceaux !!!

    12 September 2002
    Well Classic that is typically for the way players in the big competitions receive preferrential treatment. I know that the Italian league is ùmore difficult than the Belgian, Scottish or Dutch, but a goal is a goal everywhere...from the pint of view of the striker (and only the striker) it is as difficult to score a goal against Brussels as against Real Madrid (insert any team you want).

    A,nd about that ranking...well it is stupid to compare things that cannot be compared but the ranking itself can not be that bad giving the fact thatLyon are top of the table and they truly are one of the best teams in Europe (cfr their thrashing of Real Madrid in the CL). It is stupid however that only 24 clubs are considered.
     
  7. Revan

    Revan out the window

    8 August 2003
    Madeira, Portugal.
    FC Porto
    Yeah I get your point, Classic, but to find a consensous on this is hard. If we asked everyone to make a list, at the end of the season, of the the 24 top clubs of the year there would be enourmours differences between everyone's list.
     
  8. ClassicD

    ClassicD Galáctico

    11 November 2001
    Glasgow
    Celtic
    I agree with both of you guys. I think a truer way of finding out the best teams is surprisingly, UEFA's own co-efficient system. It's based only on European results I think, and covers the previous few seasons. That means those teams who don't do well enough in their domestic league don't get the chance to climb the co-efficient ranking. The only problem I have with that system is it covers the previous five seasons, maybe a bit too long.
     
  9. rockykabir

    rockykabir hello

    30 March 2003
    London -> New York -> San Francisco
    Liverpool FC
    Mate, It's as difficult to score against my sunday league team as against Real Madrid! ;)

    I agree with the UEFA system being more accurate but you are then faced with a problem with teams carrying out a mass exodus of their best players (especially after so called lesser teams do so well). A team that has done relatively well over the past 4-5 years may not be the same team currently.
     
  10. Gedtillo

    Gedtillo Mediocentro defensivo

    13 July 2004
    I think that wins should be 4 points for English, Italian and Spanish teams, as those leagues are by far the most balanced and powerful in Europe. Then German, French and maybe some other I am forgetting should score 3, then the rest should score just two.

    BTW, personally I consider much harder for Real Madrid to win at Atlético Madrid's than to win at Grasshopper's...
     
  11. ThomasGOAL

    ThomasGOAL Retired Footballer

    15 March 2003
    France
    Top 24 Clubs updated :


    1 Lyon 42
    2 Bayern Munich 39
    3 Chelsea 36
    4 Juventus Turin 36
    5 Arsenal 31
    6 Inter Milan 30
    7 Fenerbahçe 29
    8 FC Barcelone 27
    9 Manchester United 26
    10 Glasgow Rangers 22
    11 Milan AC 25
    12 PSV Eindhoven 25
    13 Real Madrid 22
    14 Liverpool 19
    15 Werder Brême 19
    16 Schalke 04 19
    17 Lille 18
    18 Ajax 16
    19 Benfica 16
    20 Olympiakos 15
    21 FC Bruges 15
    22 Betis Séville 15
    23 Porto 14
    24 Villarreal 14
     
  12. OPM

    OPM ... Staff

    2 June 2003
    Budapest
    .
    Bayern will stay up there for some time i guess.
     
  13. Stan

    Stan Allez les Lionceaux !!!

    12 September 2002
    Errh...Lyon are up there and not Bayern...
     
  14. Glavisted

    Glavisted Premiership

    20 July 2005
    Lima, Perú
    From the IFFHS World Clubs Ranking (October 2005)

    01. [​IMG] Inter de Milán - 310
    02. [​IMG] Liverpool - 290
    03. [​IMG] AC Milán - 267
    04. [​IMG] Bayern Munich - 263
    05. [​IMG] Manchester United - 257
    06. [​IMG] CSKA Moscú - 245.5
    07. [​IMG] Sao Paulo - 244
    08. [​IMG] Olympique Lyon - 241
    09. [​IMG] Auxerre - 236
    10. [​IMG] Arsenal - 235
    11. [​IMG] PSV Eindhoven - 234
    11. [​IMG] Boca Juniors - 234
    13. [​IMG] Villarreal - 229
    14. [​IMG] Chelsea - 227
    15. [​IMG] Juventus - 222
    16. [​IMG] Newcastle United - 219
    17. [​IMG] Sporting Lisboa - 215.5
    18. [​IMG] AS Mónaco - 215
    19. [​IMG] AZ Alkmaar - 213.5
    20. [​IMG] Internacional - 201
    20. [​IMG] Cerro Porteño - 201
    22. [​IMG] Santos - 196
    22. [​IMG] Werder Bremen - 196
    24. [​IMG] Schalke 04 - 196
    25. [​IMG] Austria Viena - 193.5
    26. [​IMG] Real Betis - 190
    27. [​IMG] Celtic - 183
    28. [​IMG] Banfield - 182
    28. [​IMG] Shakhtar Donetsk - 182
    28. [​IMG] River Plate - 182
    31. [​IMG] Partizán Belgrado - 180
    31. [​IMG] Real Madrid - 180
    33. [​IMG] Olympiakos - 179
    34. [​IMG] Guadalajara - 178.5
    35. [​IMG] LDU Quito - 175
    35. [​IMG] Barcelona - 175
    35. [​IMG] Sevilla - 175
    38. [​IMG] Fluminense - 173
    39. [​IMG] Atlético Paranaense - 172
    40. [​IMG] Athletic Bilbao - 168
    40. [​IMG] Udinese - 168
    42. [​IMG] Rangers - 164.5
    43. [​IMG] Atlético Junior - 163.5
    44. [​IMG] Palmeiras - 162
    45. [​IMG] Lille - 161
    46. [​IMG] Benfica - 159
    46. [​IMG] Ajax - 159
    48. [​IMG] Parma - 157
    49. [​IMG] Club Brujas - 156
    50. [​IMG] Middlesbrough - 155
     
  15. Milanista

    Milanista Mangiamoli! Staff

    19 December 2002
    London & Milan
    AC Milan
    Uh wtf Inter Milan?
     
  16. RuneEdge

    RuneEdge Silent Assassin

    1 October 2003
    Turn around, I'm right behind you...
    Manchester United
    I know. Surely they should have more points.
     
  17. Milanista

    Milanista Mangiamoli! Staff

    19 December 2002
    London & Milan
    AC Milan
    They havent done anything significant but win the Italian Cup, which they themselves mocked when Milan won it....
     
  18. ortansevin

    ortansevin CLOSED USER !!

    1 April 2005
    Bagdat Caddesi / Istanbul
    Fenerbahce SK
    inter ?? (ı dont think so)
     
  19. Revan

    Revan out the window

    8 August 2003
    Madeira, Portugal.
    FC Porto
    Very wrong...
    Those guys at the IFFHS World Clubs Ranking must on crack.
     
  20. rockykabir

    rockykabir hello

    30 March 2003
    London -> New York -> San Francisco
    Liverpool FC
    .....or working for FIFA
     
  21. ThomasGOAL

    ThomasGOAL Retired Footballer

    15 March 2003
    France
    European Top 24 clubs before the CL and UEFA games

    1 Lyon 45
    2 Bayern 40
    3 Chelsea 39
    4 Juventus 39
    5 Inter Milan 33
    6 Fenerbahce 32
    7 Arsenal 31
    8 Man United 29
    9 Milan 28
    10 Barcelona 28
    11 PSV Eindhoven 28
    12 Glasgow Rangers 25
    13 Real Madrid 24
    14 Bremen 22
    15 Benfica 22
    16 Liverpool 22
    17 Schalke 20
    18 Lille 19
    19 Brugge 18
    20 Betis 18
    21 Ajax 17
    22 Olympiakos 15
    23 Villarreal 15
    24 Porto 14
     
  22. Sulph

    Sulph Goodbye...

    28 September 2003
    Stupid because the french league is nothing compared to the English.
     
  23. ThomasGOAL

    ThomasGOAL Retired Footballer

    15 March 2003
    France
    No, you are stupid !
    So why English clubs take so many players from French League :lol:

    Gallas, Drogba, Cech, Essien and L.Diarra, please comeback :lmao:
     
    Last edited: 18 October 2005
  24. Sulph

    Sulph Goodbye...

    28 September 2003
    No, i dont mean it like that, i mean it that Lyon should not be judged on the points they get in the same way that the English teams should, because their opponents are tougher.
     
  25. Milanista

    Milanista Mangiamoli! Staff

    19 December 2002
    London & Milan
    AC Milan
    Not for Chelsea they arent.
     
  26. ThomasGOAL

    ThomasGOAL Retired Footballer

    15 March 2003
    France
    Manchester United 0 - 0 Lille :roll: big difference


    Man Utd = 3rd of the Premiereleague
    Lille = 9th of the Ligue 1

    and Manchester United play at home
     
    Last edited: 18 October 2005
  27. Sulph

    Sulph Goodbye...

    28 September 2003
    Thats notw aht i mean man. Results come and go, teams get lucky, look at the united squad right now, its depleted.

    The English, Spanish and Italian leagues are all tougher in comparison to the French league, that is a fact.

    Thats why 4 teams go to the Champions League from Italy, Spain and England. 4/20, as its a bigger achievement to win the EPL than the French League.
     
  28. ThomasGOAL

    ThomasGOAL Retired Footballer

    15 March 2003
    France
    UEFA =

    1 - Liga
    2 - PremierLeague
    3 - Serie A
    4 - Ligue 1
    5 - Bundesliga

    so ok, you are "2" and ligue 1 are "4" because you have 4 big teams (Che, Man, Ars & Liv) with alot of money, but i think the medium and little teams from France are better than medium and little teams from England, you understand ?
     
  29. Sulph

    Sulph Goodbye...

    28 September 2003
    But the medium little teams are not as good as the medium and little teams from England. Thats why UEFA let 4 teams in from England and not France, its not as big of an achievement to win the Ligue than it is to win the EPL.
     
  30. RuneEdge

    RuneEdge Silent Assassin

    1 October 2003
    Turn around, I'm right behind you...
    Manchester United
    No point explaining it to him, Sulph. He's only disagreeing with you because he's defending his country, thats all. The standard in EPL is much higher than at Ligue. Which is why Sulph rightly pointed out, we get 4 teams to qualify for the CL and you lot dont.
     

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