England failed because of.....video games?

Discussion in 'Football' started by trebel, 27 November 2007.

  1. trebel

    trebel Champions League

    10 December 2005
  2. steevio_uk

    steevio_uk Premiership

    7 October 2003
    West Ham
    It is key not to look at this too literally.

    Green does have a big point when it comes to kids in general.
    They don't want to be out and about, getting dirty and kicking balls about but would rather sit in front of a games console like a sad case for 10 hours a day.
  3. T Butcher fan

    T Butcher fan Champions League

    3 December 2001
    Agreed - Green has a good point. Trouble is, I don't think there is one sole reason. Everything contributes to everything else.

    For instance, if football was made more fun for kids, I'm sure videogames wouldn't get a look in.
  4. steevio_uk

    steevio_uk Premiership

    7 October 2003
    West Ham
    Yeah of course there are many factors.

    It's just true that you don't see kids playing in the park nowadays or out kicking a football around like the used to before about 88 or so.
    Since then and the evolution of the console, the nation has turned into an americanised, burger and video game obsessed chav nation of disgusting fat bodies with no social moral, manners or respect... but that's a different debate altogether. :lol:
  5. Chris Davies

    Chris Davies Chief PESsimist Staff

    14 May 2003
    Tranmere Rovers
    Biggest factor in this, for me, is the pressure put on by everybody. Reading Bobby Charlton's book, in the days before a mother's first task on moving into a new house was scouring the street looking for paedos, you went to play football on your own with your mates. Even when you got into school teams the only people there were the two sides' coaches.

    I mentioned in off-topic, I was a kids football coach for a month before I packed it in, it is a waste of time with the parents there. You can say at the start of a session, this week we're going to be concentrating on X, and all through a game (when you're trying to teach ONE THING AT A TIME to the kids, one topic per week - you have to, especially when they're very young), you've got parents screaming "GET BACK, NO GET FORWARD, NOW GET FORWARD, DON'T BE STUPID, DON'T LISTEN TO HIM LISTEN TO ME". In that situation there's only one person whose voice is going to get heard, because the poor kid is standing there shaking thinking "if I don't do what he says he's going to moan at me all the way home and I'm going to be grounded for a month".

    How the fuck can any kid can come out of that environment as an improved football player? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying everything should be closed off so that if there's a paedo coach they're free to make them play naked, I'm just saying THERE HAS TO BE ANOTHER WAY where everything is safe, but there's only one or two people AT MOST shouting instructions.

    I know tons of kids who were put off football because of this atmosphere. My nephew, who absolutely loves football when he plays it with his mates, quit the school team after two years. Every time he got in the car after a match, his dad would scream at him (even with me stuck in the back). He went at him like a mental. One of my favourite put-downs; "YOU'RE NOT FIT ENOUGH, YOU'VE GOT TO STOP EATING BURGERS." Erm, sorry, hold on a minute. Are you his parent? Yes? So who feeds him? The neighbours? The dog?

    All the other dads I saw were the same, even the mums would join in during a match shouting instructions and even insults at the other kids, "rubbish" when someone missed a shot. I mean, what the fuck is going on in this country?

    My nephew, and all of his mates, were mental football fans up until the age of 11/12. Then the pressure got too much, and now they all play FIFA on the 360. Why? Because that's the only way they can play football in a competition and not have adults screaming at them that they're doing the wrong thing. And not only did it put them off being players, it put me off being a coach. It is a total waste of time.
    Last edited: 27 November 2007
  6. steevio_uk

    steevio_uk Premiership

    7 October 2003
    West Ham
    Spot on Jack,- I can hear the cries of 'GET RID' from the local pitches...
  7. Chris Davies

    Chris Davies Chief PESsimist Staff

    14 May 2003
    Tranmere Rovers
    It really got to me because for a large period of my life this is what I wanted to be, a coach. I dedicated a hell of a lot of time to it, I wanted to be involved in the game at a grass-roots level, I didn't care where or how, I just wanted to be involved. But after seeing the state it's in, you might as well not be there. The dads are always going to think they know best, they're always going to shout out what they think the kid should be doing, so they might as well stay at home and practice in the garden. It is futile.
  8. denirobob

    denirobob IBERIAN PRIMERA

    28 June 2002
    Henley, Oxfordshire
  9. Hello

    Hello Drop D, Not Bombs

    4 August 2006
    Err umm i dont know to be honest
    I completely agree with you Jack. I play for my local team and sometimes I just can't be bothered to go to training and matches sometimes.
  10. Lami

    Lami Niche Football Staff

    28 May 2007
    Man Utd, Vecchia Signora
    This game needs passion. Quit real footy for a video game? Thats just wrong. How can you quit something real for something virtual? Atleast you guys have dads who care about football. Mine never gave a toss about it and always questioned me playing it. I loved football so much i played with so many local teams and so many games and ignored my dad. I knew that was something i loved and enjoyed doing so i couldn't care less what my dad thought of it.

    Ironically, only time i listened to my dads words was my downfall; i had a 70% scholarship on the table. All i had to do was accept to play football for that team. But nah... My dad didn't like the idea because he thought i wouldn't concentrate on my studies. Stuff it, wish i didn't listen to him and accepted their offer.

    Moral of this, if you got the passion, don't let anything stop you! Parents, women, friends, girlfriend, burgers lol.. stuff em all!

    Still though can't seem to get the idea of leaving real footy for a virtual one? How about playing both? ;)
  11. fishcake

    fishcake Premiership

    1 January 2003
    spot on jack, seen it myself when my lad has been training with the local boys team, he was only 5 at the time and was playing with 5-6 year olds and i couldn't believe the attitude of some of the parents , i just left him alone to run about and mess around with his friends, as far as i'm concerned it's up to him if he wants to go or not and it'll be the same in the future, as long as he enjoys it i'll keep taking him but i won't put any pressure on him if he wants to do something different

    another good article on it here

  12. tobi

    tobi "Pull up from 30!"

    5 August 2005
    Teaching the PHX Suns the 2 min drill...
    Spurs, Suns and Cowboys
    All the other nations that qualified have video games don't they?

    Or is it just me...
  13. steevio_uk

    steevio_uk Premiership

    7 October 2003
    West Ham
    Yes, but it's the whole culture of the youth in this country rather than just pinpointing video games.
    That's what Green was getting at; the fact that kids would rather stay in and hang about rather than pick a football up and go play everywhere and anywhere like they used to.
  14. tobi

    tobi "Pull up from 30!"

    5 August 2005
    Teaching the PHX Suns the 2 min drill...
    Spurs, Suns and Cowboys
    The problem is that the mainstream media will do exactly that. They wont look at the bigger picture.

    Trevor Brooking knows that part of it is because of the coaching but until now know one (especially the FA) didn't give him the time of day. England failing has suddenly got people asking the questions they should have been asked years ago.
  15. steevio_uk

    steevio_uk Premiership

    7 October 2003
    West Ham
    Mate we have known this for a long time in this country, but it's only now that they realise how shite they have been, that they realise they cannot ignore the right thing for too long.
  16. tobi

    tobi "Pull up from 30!"

    5 August 2005
    Teaching the PHX Suns the 2 min drill...
    Spurs, Suns and Cowboys
    England failed because of.....video games?

    On the back of the PES 2008 box does it not say OFFICIAL VIDEO GAME OF THE NATIONAL TEAM or something along those lines...
  17. airjoca

    airjoca International

    29 July 2003
    Amadora, Portugal
    SL Benfica
    Most of the top rated Portuguese players also grew up playing like the brazilian kids do. :)
  18. Ret KiT

    Ret KiT Premiership

    25 March 2007
    pes2008 failed them :)
  19. RuneEdge

    RuneEdge Silent Assassin

    1 October 2003
    Turn around, I'm right behind you...
    Manchester United
    I blame Seabass. Most problems are usually his fault.

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