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Copa Santander Libertadores 2012

Discussion in 'Football' started by MASTER - w11, 15 January 2010.

  1. MASTER - w11

    MASTER - w11 Avante, Todo Poderoso !!!

    9 June 2003
    São Paulo, Brasil
    Corinthians
    The preliminary phase starts on January 26.

    Here is the table:

    Preliminary phase:

    G1 - Deportivo Táchira(VEN) x Libertad(PAR): 1-0/1-3 - Libertad through
    G2 - Juan Aurich(PER) x Estudiantes Tecos(MEX): 2-0/-21 - Juan Aurich through
    G3 - Colón(ARG) x Universidad Católica(CHI): 3-2/2-3 (3-5pk) - U.Católica through
    G4 - Real Potosí(BOL) x Cruzeiro(BRA): 1-1/0-7 - Cruzeiro through
    G5 - Newell's Old Boys(ARG) x Emelec(ECU): 0-0/1-2 - Emelec through
    G6 - Atletico Junior(COL) x Racing (URU): 2-2/0-2 Racing through

    Group Phase:

    Group 1
    Corinthians (BRA)
    Cerro Porteño (PAR)
    Independiente Medellin (COL)
    Racing (URU) - Winner of G6

    Group 2
    São Paulo (BRA)
    Nacional (PAR)
    Once Caldas(COL)
    Monterrey (MEX)

    Group 3
    Estudiantes(ARG)
    Bolívar(BOL)
    Alianza Lima(PER)
    Juan Aurich(PER) - Winner of G2

    Group 4
    Lanús(ARG)
    Blooming(BOL)
    Universitario(PER)
    Libertad(PAR) - Winner of G1

    Group 5
    Internacional(BRA)
    CA Cerro(URU)
    Deportivo Quito(ECU)
    Emelec - Winner of G5

    Group 6
    Banfield(ARG)
    Nacional(URU)
    Deportivo Cuenca(ECU)
    Morelia(MEX)

    Group 7
    Vélez Sarsfield(ARG)
    Colo-Colo(CHI)
    Deportivo Italia(VEN)
    Cruzeiro(BRA) - Winner of G4

    Group 8
    Flamengo(BRA)
    Universidade de Chile(CHI)
    Caracas(VEN)
    Universidad Católica - Winner of G3

    This year, the 8 first placed and the 6 best second placed teams will qualify to the round of 16, as Chivas Guadalajara(MEX) and San Luis(MEX) start directly in that phase due to issues related to Influenza A(H1N1) last year.
     
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  2. Ernestito

    Ernestito Q7

    1 May 2003
    Berlin
    Besiktas
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    will be strange not to see boca and river this time. but nonetheless, I will try to watch as many games as possible.
     
  3. brunnoce

    brunnoce It's a Grand Old Team

    29 July 2003
    Belo Horizonte, Brazil
    Cruzeiro/Everton
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    All i know is that Cruzeiro will win it this year

    ;)
     
  4. MASTER - w11

    MASTER - w11 Avante, Todo Poderoso !!!

    9 June 2003
    São Paulo, Brasil
    Corinthians
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    Yep, just like you would last year. Verón can tell us :D
     
  5. sattan_hussein

    sattan_hussein Championship

    6 December 2004
    Ryo de Janeiro
    Arsenal
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    :P

    C'mon, Timão! I'll try to watch the games online whenever I can.
     
  6. brunnoce

    brunnoce It's a Grand Old Team

    29 July 2003
    Belo Horizonte, Brazil
    Cruzeiro/Everton
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    2008 -> 2nd phase
    2009 -> Final
    2010 -> Champions!

    Besides, we have 2 libertadores already, how many your team has? :LOL:
     
  7. sauce

    sauce Warriors

    20 September 2005
    Chatbox, Brazil
    Cruzeiro
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    Some Cruzeiro regular customers are in Libertadores, Corinthians, Flamengo and São Paulo been some real customers since the 2000's some in mata-matas others just regular customers :P
    Nobody give a damn about us now, like last year, its so unfair, they only believed us after we kicked out Gremio, and the superoverhype after that really messed us up.

    Seriously now, I think we're even better than last year, hopefully without that many injuries, was a miracle to go to the finals without a lot a players, but I still think we will struggle against teams with psychically strong players.
     
  8. MASTER - w11

    MASTER - w11 Avante, Todo Poderoso !!!

    9 June 2003
    São Paulo, Brasil
    Corinthians
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    Corinthians is a Cruzeiro regular costumer????? Are you really sure?

    I don't remember being taken out from any competition by Cruzeiro...But you guys surely remember the 1998 Brasileirão final.

    And even in the league format, the teams are surely even, as I can remember that 4x3 in 2005, the 3x0 and the 0x3 in 2007...In 2009 there was a 2x1 for us and a 1x0 for you guys...

    Don't come lying in front of our european friends :P
     
  9. brunnoce

    brunnoce It's a Grand Old Team

    29 July 2003
    Belo Horizonte, Brazil
    Cruzeiro/Everton
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    I know we knock Corinthians out of the Brazilian Cup 1996 if i remember correctly.
     
    Last edited: 20 January 2010
  10. sauce

    sauce Warriors

    20 September 2005
    Chatbox, Brazil
    Cruzeiro
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    Someone did the homework and went research :LMAO:

    I wasn't being that serious, hence the :P, checking my books and stuff like that.
    Its just that from the top of my head Corinthians was never trouble for us like São Paulo (on leagues games) and Palmeiras (this one on knock-out games mostly).
    I think our fans have more rivalry with São Paulo, Palmeiras even Santos than Corinthians, not considering that organizadas-link bs.
    It just happens that whenever we are in a good moment you are terrible and vice-versa, we don't even met in knock-out competitions anymore.

    Long story short Corinthians was never trouble for us if you know what I mean, whenever we go there, I go far more confident than going to Palestra.
     
  11. MASTER - w11

    MASTER - w11 Avante, Todo Poderoso !!!

    9 June 2003
    São Paulo, Brasil
    Corinthians
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    I didnt' need to go research, I remember those games, hehehehehe

    But maybe you're saying that because really there isn't much rivalry between the 2 teams...

    Getting back to the Libertadores subject...

    I don't see any favourite among the brazilian teams.

    Corinthians seems a bit behind because will have to remount the team, find a new formation with the good squad we have on the paper.

    Flamengo has a very good starting 11, but I can't see them winning with substitutes like Obinna and Bruno Mezenga. Vagner Love will have to do much better than last year.

    Cruzeiro has a strong base for 2 years and are serious contender, but I disagree when you say the team is stronger than last year. I still don't trust on the likes of Gil, Henrique (who was in great form last year), Wellington Paulista and Thiago Ribeiro. Let's see how Pedro Ken adapts to the team.

    São Paulo again started the year slowly, with a home defeat. But the squad is experienced and brought some good reinforcements as Fernandinho and Marcelinho. I see them going far this year.

    Internacional didn't have any big change. I see them a bit as Flamengo. A great first 11, but lacks good substitutes, except in the mid of the park, where they have good young values.

    I don't know the foreign teams very well so I wont comment. What do you guys think?
     
  12. sauce

    sauce Warriors

    20 September 2005
    Chatbox, Brazil
    Cruzeiro
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    Yea I agree with you the brazilian teams are almost the same level, and I don't know you, but I know almost nothing about other south american teams momments.
    The coverage is pretty bad only some jornalists pay attention to that here.

    About Corinthians I don't think Mano will have trouble to redo the team, his system is almost always the same 3 man behind one striker, the players changed but their style is the same, except Danilo and Tcheco, but these two are intelligent mfs that could be useful changing the pace of the game, being the link between players.

    When I said Cruzeiro is better this year than last is because last year we lost important players like Thiago Ribeiro in crucial time, he is limited but very important tactically, we couldn't play with our best formation in last games, it also have 3 man behind one striker with pretty good offensive chemistry.

    A squad I really like is São Paulo, I think their signs were great and can turn out to be a very good team.

    But squads seems to not be doing much difference in Libertadores its more about the moment.

    By the way will the competition end after or before the World Cup?
     
  13. brunnoce

    brunnoce It's a Grand Old Team

    29 July 2003
    Belo Horizonte, Brazil
    Cruzeiro/Everton
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    semi finals and final will be after the WC
     
  14. cfdh_edmundo

    cfdh_edmundo Maverick

    30 December 2002
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    I hope for Cerro Porteño, but realistically Chivas of Mexico
     
  15. bebo

    bebo Looking for a Manager

    25 July 2005
    Arsenal Thread
    The Arsenal FC
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    Monterrey !!! all the way
     
  16. sauce

    sauce Warriors

    20 September 2005
    Chatbox, Brazil
    Cruzeiro
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    The battles are defined

    [​IMG]
     
  17. sonoman

    sonoman Premiership

    13 November 2003
    México
    Mexico / Türkiye
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    Velez is going to rape Guadalajara :(
     
  18. MASTER - w11

    MASTER - w11 Avante, Todo Poderoso !!!

    9 June 2003
    São Paulo, Brasil
    Corinthians
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    Corinthians, Velez, São Paulo, Cruzeiro and Internacional seems to be the favourites...
     
  19. Ernestito

    Ernestito Q7

    1 May 2003
    Berlin
    Besiktas
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    estudiantes should be in a better position than velez.
     
  20. MASTER - w11

    MASTER - w11 Avante, Todo Poderoso !!!

    9 June 2003
    São Paulo, Brasil
    Corinthians
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    Estudiantes are the current champions but my thoughts are based on what the teams showed during the group phase. Velez impressed me more than Estudiantes.

    Corinthians was the best in the group phase and will face Flamengo, with Adriano and Vagner Love. Tough match!

    [​IMG]

    Now it's getting exciting!
     
  21. sauce

    sauce Warriors

    20 September 2005
    Chatbox, Brazil
    Cruzeiro
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    Velez was from Cruzeiro group so I followed them pretty closely to say I was expecting more.

    Don't get me wrong they are quite solid and I think they are very underrated by Brazils press,

    But still they ain't got that much to offer offensively, except for a lot of passion, but that common passion that you see in Latin American clubs.

    Their defense is pretty good, but no big deal either, I'd said they could kick any Brazilian out of the competition that underestimate them, but they only face Brazilians maybe in the semis, a big maybe cause Estudiantes could probably hit the semis, so Argentines would face each other.
     
  22. Milanista

    Milanista Mangiamoli! Staff

    19 December 2002
    London & Milan
    AC Milan
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    Clash of the titans.
     
  23. PLF

    PLF Legend

    2 August 2004
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    Yah titans or fat bastards. Both works! :D :LOL:
     
  24. MASTER - w11

    MASTER - w11 Avante, Todo Poderoso !!!

    9 June 2003
    São Paulo, Brasil
    Corinthians
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    Velez just lost to Chivas, 3x0...So I guess you were right and I was very wrong :P
     
  25. brunnoce

    brunnoce It's a Grand Old Team

    29 July 2003
    Belo Horizonte, Brazil
    Cruzeiro/Everton
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    Guadalajara 3x0 Velez

    :LMAO:
     
  26. sauce

    sauce Warriors

    20 September 2005
    Chatbox, Brazil
    Cruzeiro
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    :LMAO: I wasn't that right, I said they were solid, 0x3 ain't that solid :D

    But yea they are no big deal.
     
  27. sonoman

    sonoman Premiership

    13 November 2003
    México
    Mexico / Türkiye
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    :SHOCK:
     
  28. Ernestito

    Ernestito Q7

    1 May 2003
    Berlin
    Besiktas
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    like I said, estudiantes is by far the better team than velez.
     
  29. sauce

    sauce Warriors

    20 September 2005
    Chatbox, Brazil
    Cruzeiro
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    1st games results:

    Flamengo 1-0 Corinthians
    Alianza Lima 0-1 Univ. de Chile
    Guadalajara 3-0 Vélez Sarsfield
    Once Caldas 0-0 Libertad

    Universitario 0-0 São Paulo
    Cruzeiro 3-1 Nacional
    San Luis 0-1 Estudiantes
    Banfield 3-1 Internacional

    Flamengo and Corinthians sucked, the rain really messed the game up.
     
  30. MASTER - w11

    MASTER - w11 Avante, Todo Poderoso !!!

    9 June 2003
    São Paulo, Brasil
    Corinthians
    Re: Copa Santander Libertadores 2010

    The rain really ruined the game, as the first half almost didn't exist.

    That aside, Ronaldo was just embarrasing.
    The guy isn't half the player he was last year. Lost a chance that cost us the penalty and the goal.

    Now Corinthians needs to win for 2 goals at Pacaembu. Tough task! Specially with Ronaldo playhing that way.
     

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