AMADOR - Everyone's football

[mattmid]

Demo Teams (Part 2)


Team: Andalucia

Country: Spain

Honours: Spanish Champions (2013)






Moroccan born Jawad Benali is something of a jack of all defensive trades. A specialist full back, he is just as adept at CB with his 191cm and great jumping and heading ability. He can also sit in front of the back four, play wing back and do a job on the right side of midfield. Hell, he'd probably even mow your grass if you asked him nicely. It’s fair to say he’s unlikely to miss too many games if fit. Andalucia tend to play him at CB though. As mentioned he’s a colossus in the air, but not the quickest across the ground by any means. However his positioning is good and his head is like a magnet for the ball. He also marshals the back line well to avoid getting exposed. He is a real team player but is mentally fragile which can lead to rash challenges. Andalucia feel his plus points outweigh his minuses though and he is something of a fans’ favourite.





Cristóbal Yanes is one of the two striker’s that Andalucia play. On first glance he doesn’t appear to be a huge threat but look a little deeper and his qualities appear. The main one being he has a knack for scoring goals. His technique and Accuracy are decent at this level and he is capable of running with the ball to fashion his own chances. Whilst he wouldn’t lay claim to being a speed merchant, he is quick enough for it not to be an issue. At 24 his best years would appear to lie ahead of him.





Strike partner, Julián Ichaso, is essentially a larger version of Yanes. Strong in the air, capable of a decent pass and with similar shot technique and accuracy, the pair could provide the goals, if they can get the service from what is, to be brutally honest, a workmanlike midfield. That said, if they can get the ball to these two often enough they could cause teams problems with the solid base behind them. They will be a key factor in Andalucia achieving any success.







Andalucia play a balanced 4-2-2-2 formation with two AM’s. This makes them very strong down the middle and with the likes of Benali in defence heading clear balls from out wide they may prove hard to break down. Whether their lack of width will be a problem for them going forward or put too much load onto their full backs time will tell. Their strength may well lie in keeping the ball out of their own net, rather than putting it into the opponents. If you’re looking to pick out the winners of this season’s Spanish Championship then it may be wise to look elsewhere.

 

[miguelfcp]

Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes vs Anvers matchup, on a stadium from Samoa!

 

[miguelfcp]

Reason #1469 to play Amador: Player Stamina

-> Amador is no place for R1 spammers. You have to carefully utilize player stamina to make sure your team plays at a good level for the full 90 minutes, or else if you abuse the R1 button even for a short period of time, your players will lose all of their energy quite early on the match.
However, even if you're careful on this regard you can't help players from getting visibly tired throughout the match - as you can see from the above image - so you'll have to adjust your style of play to their condition and choose your substitutions (and its timing) cleverly to get that extra edge for the last few minutes of the match.

 

[loco]

Nice!

 

[mattmid]

Demo Teams (Part 3)


Team: Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes


Country: France


Honours: French Champions (2008,2013)





In goal, Auvergne have David Fuchs, one of the most reliable keepers in the Western Federation. At 190cm and a good leap on him, he commands his box and he’s not afraid to come out and claim corners and crosses. His agility is good, if not right up there with the best, and his all round defence is very solid and reliable. The team always look more confident when he is keeping goal behind them.





Nabil Rousseau is to be found at the heart of the Auvergne defence. He can defend but he can also start attacks with passing skills many a Federation midfielder would be happy to have. He is a solid defender, adequate at most things without being spectacular at any and has a good positional sense with a habit of being in the right place at the right time. He also organises his fellow defenders well. He can fill in at SB if required but other than his passing his lack of attacking prowess will mean it will be his defending that shines rather than offering too much of a threat going forward.





Simon David is the playmaker and a very good one at that. At 31 he still has a lot to offer and as a former pro he knows the game inside out. He is that rare breed of footballer, comfortable on either foot. Couple that with good technique and the ability to go past a player. This causes a real problem for defenders given that he can also just as easily slide a pass in behind them as well. Defenders actively look to avoid getting themselves 1-on-1 with him. He has the mentality and quality to single-handedly haul his side back into a game and is one of the most consistent players around. If that isn’t enough he is a real team player as well. Simon David is a player who is sure to be up there when the Federation Awards are handed out at the end of the season.




Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes play with a 4-3-1-2 formation. They play a high line and employ the offside trap effectively. With David on all set pieces and pulling the strings from open play, chances are sure to be forthcoming and it will be down to the striker’s to put them away regularly. This will be the key factor in whether they have a successful season or not. A fact that is in some doubt. As is whether they have enough quality to keep them out at the other end. Strength in depth could be a problem for them as the season wears on but if they can keep David fit and playing well they just might surprise a few people.

 

[mattmid]

Nice side footed finish from Bonatesta of Toscana

Spoiler: Side Foot

 

[sniglet]

Looks like a fun idea, will definitely give the demo a try. Thanks for including my home region of East Anglia!

 

[mattmid]

Demo Teams (Part 4)


Team: Anvers

Country: Belgium

Honours: Belgian Champions (2003,2010,2011,2012,2013)



You’ll find Petrus Werbrouck on the left side of Anvers midfield. Chances are he’ll be in the middle of tackling someone. Snapping and snarling at the heels of anyone who dares to come near him. Solid is perhaps an unflattering word to use to describe him but it fits nicely. He’s competent at most things, prepared to do the dirty work, which is just as well as the defence behind him probably isn’t. He looks set for a busy time and a heavy workload, so it’s very handy that he’s as fit as just about anyone in the League, he’ll run all game and then run home afterwards. He can also play CB, CM and even up front and with good shooting technique he might even get a game or two there if they can find anyone to replace him in midfield. Sure to be a firm fans’ favourite, he wears his heart on his sleeve and his opponent’s hearts on his shin pads.






Jean-Pierre Rasquin is the main man up top for Anvers. With good shooting technique and power he will hope to help his team with a decent return of goals. His age is against him now at 36 but he will still prove a threat, although given the choice he’d probably ideally like to play against his own defence. His pace is still ok if not rapid and his stamina is amongst the best in the team. The only question is whether his team can find him often enough to keep them competitive.





Luc Moerman will find himself at the base of midfield this season for Anvers. By trade a CM he is just as happy to play defensive midfield and with a real eye for a pass he might find himself a very important component of the Anvers team. If he can get himself forward as well then his high shooting technique might help him add a goal or two for his team. He could get exposed with his lack of speed but sitting in midfield and with the ability to find a pass that may be enough to get him out of any possible trouble. He is mentally strong and has a good teamwork ethic so he won’t go missing when they hit difficult spells in games, which to be fair, might be more often than they’d like.






Anvers play a 4-3-1-2 formation. They boast the most title wins in the Belgian Championship with 5. They are not really fancied to increase that total this season but they will not go down without a fight. They have what must be the smallest defence in the entire Western Federation and whether this will be their Achilles heel we wait to see. As mentioned, Werbrouck and Moerman are liable to be overworked in midfield, whilst Werbrouck is also in charge of most set plays. One slightly ironic strength they may have is that with not too much quality in the side they shouldn’t be weakened too much when fatigue kicks in, as similar quality replacements will be available. However a tough season is expected for them unless their key men can pull them through.

 

[mattmid]

Demo Teams (Part 5)


Team: Argovie


Country: Switzerland


Honours: Swiss Champions (2010,2011)




Pirmin Honneger will be the first choice right back for Argovie this season but you’re just as likely to see him bombing forward as back defending. Very sound with his defending, with excellent response to danger, he doesn’t let that stop him getting forward at all. His teamwork and mentality are up there with the best and he’s good in the air as well. If he wasn’t 33 no doubt a few pro teams would be looking at him to fill a hole. Don’t be surprised if he pops up with a goal or two over the course of the season as well with his more than adequate shooting skills. His stamina is still good allowing him to get up and down the right side of the pitch all game long in his trademark white headband. He is something of a cult hero amongst the Argovie faithful. Many of whom will be seen wearing white headbands at games in his honour.








Dennis Chiaruttini, four time Switzerland Amador player of the year. Now 35, his skills show no sign of waning just yet although his speed has gone. Fortunately he’s one step ahead of most other players and lets space find him. His stamina is still strong, possibly because he can manage little more than a jog these days. With shooting accuracy and technique most of the strikers in the Federation would die for expect him to get on the score sheet. But that’s the tip of the iceberg, it would be easier to list what he can’t do well. He has an eye for a short or long pass, quick reactions and agility with his low centre of gravity at just 170cm. With technique to match this is a player an opponent will have to plan for.







Levin Hodel will be tasked with getting the goals. The pick of their striker’s by some margin, other than strike partner Martucci. Argovie will be anxious that he is firing on all cylinders and stays injury free otherwise goals might be a problem for them. With all round good attacking nous he backs that up with an eye for goal, no matter the angle, he’s prepared to chance his arm. Also more than capable in the air he looks likely to prove a constant thorn in any defender’s side. If Chiaruttini and Hodel can find their form and click it could be raining goals in Argovie. He is also an expert from the penalty spot.






Argovie will be playing a 4-3-1-2 formation this season. Chiaruttini will be the key to any success they may have. Playing in the hole behind the strikers he'll be looking to feed them chances. If it works it could be a successful season. If it doesn’t there isn’t much attacking depth behind them for a Plan B. In defence they are less than sound with Honegger easily the pick of the back four. So, in time honoured fashion, Argovie will be following the perceived wisdom that Attack is the best form of Defence.

 

[xicpanad]

Guys just a question. How about player development?

The option file will have adjusted stats, for better gameplay etc. But what will happen after a couple seasons? With player development in Master League, the stats won´t have the same effect on gameplay anymore right? This is something that always concerned me about custom option files.

Still, can´t wait to put my hands on the full version, pick a region, and start battling against all the others. I think it will bring so much identity, better than using super licensed real clubs with who I (we?) don´t relate anymore.

 

[mattmid]

@xicpanad Yes, that is always a big question on a long term ML. One advantage we may have is that lots of players are starting from a low base and are varying ages so some will decline straight away, some will already have peaked and some may be well past their early peak so hang around a bit then decline and so on. Our players cover all age ranges, there's even a 44yr old defender in there. We do intend to do a couple of test ML's to see what will happen.

We have some ML Challenge type ideas for self policing but of course the AI won't be following those rules so may end up with those superstar players. We have also toyed with the idea of setting all players to early peak which may help a lot, especially with the initial players in the file as they'll be mostly already past that, but that depends on whether peterc10 is able to add the ML growth pattern into the csv import as I have no intention of going through 4500 players and doing it manually in the in-game editor! Especially without even knowing if it would work as we'd like in ML.

Also the ML salary problem I've investigated with the file and found a few players who no matter what you did to their stats still come out with high thousands as fee/salary which doesn't sit right with an Amateur idea, so there's a small batch of player's we've titled do not use and given stats of 5 across the board to hopefully deter the AI from signing them too. We'll see if that's the case when testing. Once I'd removed them I got the highest one down to around 650-750 (there's definitely a random number element in their salary algorithm as it varies each time you start one as to what the highest player comes out at) And 90% of the salaries are under 500 So that's a great starting point at least.

I guess also you can turn development off even if it's not as full an experience then.

Alongside this as an alternative to ML, as you may have seen in the Demo Team posts, there's a history of champions which ties in to a whole League/Cup/Federation format that we've come up with, whereby you could if you want to play as a team in each League and play out a season, play out a cup and then certain numbers of teams qualify for a Western Federation Euro type competition for the following season. This way player stats of course stay the same as would gameplay. Downside is you have to set it up manually, (not that it's difficult) you don't get the ML growth/decline/transfers but it will be a rich environment anyway and the way it's structured (more on this at a later date) the biggest Division will be 10 teams so playing a team in each Division wouldn't be a huge task if you wanted to do the whole experience.

 

[mattmid]

@xicpanad Oh and you're spot on about the identity. From the test games we've been playing we're finding it's like have an entire option file of ML defaults with all their little idiosyncrasies. I sent Miguel one of those Demo Teams bit's when I first wrote it and he said I've got to go play with this team now and see this player! We don't even know 90% of the player's ourselves at this stage. The way we created it was I made the players whilst Miguel created the names which I then applied to the players. Then I split them up by position and allocated each team a similar number of each completely at random so we have no idea who the best team will be, who will have the deepest squad and so on.

 

[miguelfcp]

@xicpanad: It's a good question. Matt has pretty much covered that topic entirely, I'll just add that the Master League is a game mode that was centered on a pro-level football experience; now in an amateur football enviormnent such as ours, certains elements such as players improving their stats massively won't be 100% realistic, as you can't expect an amateur player to evolve the same way as a pro player in real-life.
What we thought of doing to overcome this was to create a double scenario, giving players two options to define the future of the world of Amador in their own experience playing it:

- Choose to play League Mode -> No player development, no transfers: guarantees a fully-amateur experience for as long as you want.
- Choose to play ML Mode -> Player development + transfers: creates a scenario where the Amador world starts out from the bottom as a mere amateur football organization and over the years develops into a "rival" of FIFA, with the overall level of the players and teams from that world improving over time.

We still haven't tested what Amador will look like in a ML enviornment over the years, and though as Matt said even we don't know the vast majority of players yet, from what we've seen the quality of the players/teams will still be far far away from your typical PES default database - even after many ML years. When the Demo is released on Friday you'll understand why I say this: remember Matt is only showing the best attributes of some of the best players of the Demo teams...

 

[xicpanad]

Thanks guys. First of all, Kudos for all your effort. It makes me want to join and help, and though I actually like to edit things myself, I really don´t have the time to, because of my professional lives (yes, plural lol).

About master league, it´s fictional after all. We can all let our imagination fly and decide how we want to enjoy this experience. Doesn´t PES 6 allow us to play with player development off in ML? Still, I believe I will try the full experience first for a couple seasons and see how it goes.

 

[*aLe]

Team: Argovie
Country: Switzerland

Wow, these kits are insanely good... Wonderful color scheme there (despite it reminding me of Inter)!

 

[mattmid]

Demo Teams (Part 6)


Team: Abruzzo

Country: Italy

Honours: Italian Champions (2002)


(kits to follow with these as a work in progress ) For now they have a generic blue/white kit for the demo



Ilario Restuccia cuts an imposing figure in the Abruzzo goal. Standing 198cm tall and weighing in at 95lbs he doesn’t leave much of the goal to aim at when he gets his angles right. Despite his size he has great agility and is one of the better shot stoppers in the Federation. At just 23 it is felt he could go on to have a big career and is highly thought of by the club.





Aurelio Mella is a modern day full back. Good going both ways he’s up and down the pitch with stamina to burn. He’s a real team player with a good mentality and tops it all off with an eye for a pass. He’ll be looking to get an assist or two over the course of the season but is just as keen to keep things tight at the back as well. Sure to be one of the key players for Abruzzo this season, it’s unlikely he’ll be letting anyone down.



Making things tick for Abruzzo will be Walter Libbi. He’s easily recognisable at just 169cm but it’s more likely his ability on the ball that will stand him out from the crowd. He has good technique backed up with great shooting technique that should nab him a goal or two as well. He’s nimble around the midfield and his long range passing is pretty good as well.



Abruzzo play a 4-3-1-2 with a high line. They have only ever won the tough Italian Championship once, back in 2002 and these days find themselves in Div 2. The word from those in the know is that they feel they have a squad capable of getting back into Div 1 for next season and promotion is very much the aim this year. A fairly young first 11 with a little bit of experience thrown in might just see them do it.

 

[mattmid]

Demo Teams (Part 7)



Team: Baden-Wurttemberg


Country: Germany


Honours: German Champions (2001)




Patrick Schaffler is one of a twin pairing of Attacking Midfielders that Baden-Wurttemberg play with. Extremely attack minded, Schaffler is always looking for that killer ball and often finds it. Don’t think you’ve stopped him if there’s no passing lane for him as he can run with the ball as well and doesn’t need to be asked twice to take a shot at goal either. His mentality is spot on as well. His only real downfall is a lack of natural fitness.




Cassius Nothhaft is one of the striker’s looking to get on the end of anything Schaffler can produce. Of average height with not the greatest of leaps you’d still be wise to ensure he is tightly marked because if he does get his head on the ball it is likely going to be on target. His shooting is decent as well and he’s an all round threat.




If Nothhaft doesn’t get to the header then his strike partner Felix Strange most probably will. With a good leap and accurate heading ability he is a real danger in the air. Leave him unmarked on set pieces at your peril. While not as proficient on the deck, he is still a serious threat.






Baden-Wurttemberg plays with an attacking 4-2-2-2 formation. They don’t hold too high a line for fear of being caught on the break with a ball over the top. Baden-Wurttemberg has won the Championship just once and that is now getting on for 17 years ago. It’s something they want to put right and they feel this just might be their year. With the potent strike force of Nothhaft and Strange, with a bit of quality on the bench as well, they’ll hope the goals will come regularly, particularly if Schaffler can work his magic. Solid enough at the back, if a bit lacking in depth, they look likely to be challenging for the title if all goes well. An injury or two at the back in the wrong places though could leave them badly exposed.

 

[mattmid]

Demo Teams (Part 8)


Team: Drenthe


Country: Netherlands


Honours: Dutch Champions (2001)






Raoul van der Moot is a classy central midfielder in the typical Dutch mould. His short passing is sharp and precise, a joy to watch at times. He spots those passes other’s don’t even know are on. His defensive work is average but that isn’t what Drenthe have him in the side for. It’s to probe and create and that’s what he does best.






Got van der Moot covered. Great. Want the bad news? Alongside him in that midfield is Edmund Rienstra and that bad news is that he’s even better than van der Moot. While Moot’s passing is a shade better, Rienstra can ping long balls around with accuracy as well and has technique to match. A top technical Dutch player who can pass with both feet he also has precise shooting accuracy and with his size is also strong in the challenge. I did tell you it was bad news.





Up front Fabio van der Werff will be looking to score the goals. With high shot accuracy and technique he appears to be well qualified to do so. Couple that with a good leap and decent heading accuracy and we could be looking at a player who may well appear near the top of the scoring charts if his team can get him the ball regularly. With the two in midfield behind you would think that may be a given.






Drenthe are long overdue a Dutch Championship having won it in the second year of its existence but never since. As it happens they won’t be winning it this season either as they will start it in Division 2. They look well set for a promotion push though. They play an attacking 4-4-2 with a high line and with the class of their two central midfielders in particular, look well placed to achieve their goal.

 

[geeeeee]

@mattmid and @miguelfcp congrats on this project. Really awsome work! Shame i am only on PS2 so unfortunately i won’t be able to join in the fun.

@mattmid regarding the wages issue. I came across that issue in my PES2008 project. Players wages being 5000 points. My workaround is to completely change them to a GK. Sometimes that works on it’s own but if not add 5 to 7 Special Skills that will not affect their position. So, as it is a GK, the Special Skills selected will be Post Player, Lines, Middle Shooting, Side, Centre, One-Touch Pass, Outside. As a result their wages goes down from 5000 to approx 100.

This only works with GK’s and may only work on PES2008.

 

[mattmid]

@geeeeee Ah that interesting. Konami at work again I'll give that a try see if it's the same. There were two or three that still had 5000 points with 5 stats across the board! Not even Redknapp would have signed them.

 

[geeeeee]

@geeeeee Ah that interesting. Konami at work again I'll give that a try see if it's the same. There were two or three that still had 5000 points with 5 stats across the board! Not even Redknapp would have signed them.

Yep it’s really strange. I worked it out by mistake by editing Messi over one of the 5000 points players thinking that sounds a reasonable wage for him. But then his wage went down to 100 or even less. Then for some reason i decided to take away a skill at a time and test it until eventually his wage went back up to 5000. But that would have meant having Messi with hardly any Special Skills.

I think it is something to do with the extra team slots. Because when i changed it to default he turned into me (a white bald guy called PLAYER 1)

I would have prefered to have an option file with no extra players unlocked but I have come so far now it would mean restarting over a years work.

 

[Titch]

Looks amazing so far
Wait, so if you add special skills to some players it makes their wages go down?

 

[mattmid]

@geeeeee The mystery deepens, or at least they added a new twist to it for 2008! I tried changing to keeper and also adding skills but they wouldn't budge from 5000. Bloody modern footballers and their wage demands Thanks for the info though, certainly worth trying

 

[geeeeee]

Looks amazing so far
Wait, so if you add special skills to some players it makes their wages go down?

Yes but it seems only in PES2008 PS2.

 

[Titch]

Even so, that's so weird.
I wonder if every player ID has a different formula for ML wages?

 

[mattmid]

@Titch I wonder if even they know what they did! Maybe they messed up a formula originally, you wouldn't put it past them would you? I tried swapping players and so on. One had 1300pts I swapped the id's between him and another player and reimported. Started a ML to check what had happened and they were both around 50 Swapped others and one goes higher, another lower. All manner of random things happened.

Also the salary is not set in stone. Whatever their calculation is it has a random number in it because the proper player who has the top salary in this file varies between around 680 and 760 each time I test start an ML to have a look. He's always highest but at various totals. It's as if they phone Pogba's agent and get him to suggest a number.

 

[miguelfcp]

Reason to play AMADOR #1904: It's football for the hardcore.
In an age where most are playing 10 min. online matches that look more like hockey than actual football, Amador provides a complete change of direction from that. 20, 25 and 30 min. matches (!!!) have been tested and provide a spectacularly tough and complex football experience without it turning into an arcade-fest.
Ready to take football simulation to the next level?

Spoiler: 30 min. matches

 

[xicpanad]

Holy s#$t!!!
30 min matches!
I´ve been playing 20 mins and its already great. Stats wise, I believe PES 5/6 and WE series were spot on, no matter how much time you choose. Possession is amazing, even knowing these are pass assisted games, because we see so many errors even on vanilla version. Pretty sad this is gone on so called "modern" versions...

 

[*aLe]

(kits to follow with these as a work in progress ) For now they have a generic blue/white kit for the demo

I can confirm that their final kit will be blue/white, that their main keeper kit will be yellow and... That their away kit will feature a combination of white, blue and green (but I still have to figure out how to do it).

 

[fmicablues7]

Reason to play AMADOR #1904: It's football for the hardcore.
In an age where most are playing 10 min. online matches that look more like hockey than actual football, Amador provides a complete change of direction from that. 20, 25 and 30 min. matches (!!!) have been tested and provide a spectacularly tough and complex football experience without it turning into an arcade-fest.
Ready to take football simulation to the next level?

Spoiler: 30 min. matches

I like the fouls count.