FIFA 09 PS3/360 Discussion Thread

[Vindaloo]

There is no confirmation on this either way if my memory serves me correctly, however, I believe you will NOT be able to play in Be a Pro in this way at all. One person per console at maximum.

However, you can play normal matches in this way. On the 360 you can play 4v4, so presumeably on the PS3 you can play 7v7. 7 players on your console, vs 7 against someone else.

This would be in normal cooperative play, rather than a locked-to-a-player system.

Its only 2v2 on the Xbox, it will only accept 4 controllers in total

[jeblo05]

IMO the point isnt to play just a 100% simulation of football (that would be uncontrollable and boring....) the point is to play a GAME that lets us controll footballers 11v11...and the most skilled RL player to win not the one who has the higher stats....
Thus in order for KONAMI to compete with EA they should ditch all that stat mumbo jumbo and pre match tactics....just make all players the same skill...as its in FIFA...

I'm thinking/hoping this is meant to be ironic ;)

- in FIFA the player stats also do have impact on their performance.

- I want a mixture of gamer skills and stats (like TopSpin3): bad players/teams are hard to control, need skillfull gaming and vice versa

anything different will be an arcade fest

[kouroux]

I think there could be a way to combine "stats" and "manual control" .
The higher the stats ,the less you 'll mess up the pass,the shooting,the through ball. It could work

[Scorpio]

Was messing around in the arena earlier trying to hit hard dipping shots when this happened...

YouTube - Fifa 09 Demo - comedy goal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Osdc2c0oWGM)

Couldn't help but laugh and be impressed at the same time.:DD

LOL! This made me laugh so much I almost pissed my pants... Seriously... :(

:D

[Nick Cave]

IMO the point isnt to play just a 100% simulation of football (that would be uncontrollable and boring....) the point is to play a GAME that lets us controll footballers 11v11...and the most skilled RL player to win not the one who has the higher stats....
Thus in order for KONAMI to compete with EA they should ditch all that stat mumbo jumbo and pre match tactics....just make all players the same skill...as its in FIFA...

Damn that's the whole point I feel, I want as close to a 100% simulation, surely by that logic you find football boring?
2 human teams of 11 playing each other should be awesome, especially if they know what there doing...

[Rodelero]

Tactics for example. We can´t use our custom tactics online and that´s bad. I used to play with Chelsea just because I liked their 4-3-3 formation. But I would prefer to use that formation in Real Madrid and I couldn´t. FIFA needs more tactical customization online (offline is good and this year is even better).

Also we should have the option to play with D-pad and yeah.. I know the game has 360 degree but what if I prefer to play with D-pad? Doesn´t matter if I loose 360 degree. I just wanted to play with the D-pad because I hate analog..

Wow, so misinformed...

Its only 2v2 on the Xbox, it will only accept 4 controllers in total

Fairly sure you're wrong. Offline, it's 2v2, 3v1, 4vCPU, but online, you can do 4v4 as far as I can remember (fairly sure I've done it before).

[oFifa09o]

Damn that's the whole point I feel, I want as close to a 100% simulation, surely by that logic you find football boring?
2 human teams of 11 playing each other should be awesome, especially if they know what there doing...

See you dont get it...real football is slow...its 1.5 hours for christs sake....and sometimes (alot of times) it ends 0-0...Can you play 1.5 hours each match? I doubt it...Also do you like that in real football a team with quality players smashes (usually) the weaker opponent? This is what pes have done with the overzealus stats representation....Fifa made the wise choice to make players less dependant on the stats so the players skill counts and not the team that he controlls....

[Nick Cave]

See you dont get it...real football is slow...its 1.5 hours for christs sake....and sometimes (alot of times) it ends 0-0...Can you play 1.5 hours each match? I doubt it...Also do you like that in real football a team with quality players smashes (usually) the weaker opponent? This is what pes have done with the overzealus stats representation....Fifa made the wise choice to make players less dependant on the stats so the players skill counts and not the team that he controlls....

I think the time is irrelevant, and you are never going to get 100% simulation, but I want it to be as close as they can get it. I don't understand the point about quality beating weaker opponents, that's what should happen.
As for the stats there are PES fans screaming from the roof tops that PES lets you feel you are controlling individual players and on FIFA they all feel the same and "floaty like".
I'm not having a dig and I don't play online at all with PES and only twice with FIFA, so I can't judge them.

Would it be better if for every player in 11 v 11 you had a basic player ie all strikers had the same stats, all midfielders had the same stats etc, then you had say 30pts you could allocate yourself to improve whatever you wanted?
Not sure how it's set to work on 11 v 11...

[OPM]

Well remember I'm a data editor ;) We were told to have all the final transfers done in time for the end of 1st September and I was given the impression that they would feature in the retail version :)


ah you signed up for that? :DD i wanted to help with kits research but they didn't need anymore help (2 years back or something)

good to hear transfers will be up to the 1st. allways been a big discussion the past years all over the ffa community whether they were or not...:))

[Placebo]

ah you signed up for that? :DD i wanted to help with kits research but they didn't need anymore help (2 years back or something)

good to hear transfers will be up to the 1st. allways been a big discussion the past years all over the ffa community whether they were or not...:))

Yeah I've been doing it for a while now, I contributed informally to Sheffield Wednesday's squad for the Fifa08 January squad update but I officially did the data for Sheffield Wednesday, Sheffield United, Accrington Stanley and Grimsby Town in Fifa09 :)

[Nick Cave]

Yeah I've been doing it for a while now, I contributed informally to Sheffield Wednesday's squad for the Fifa08 January squad update but I officially did the data for Sheffield Wednesday, Sheffield United, Accrington Stanley and Grimsby Town in Fifa09 :)
An Owl doing the Blade's stats... ;))

[OPM]

it's a pretty good idea to involve people with good knowledge about certain areas in europe instead of letting some monkey from canada randomly type in numbers and sell them as accurate statistics. ;) i like the way ea handles this.

[Placebo]

An Owl doing the Blade's stats... ;))

LOL well it wasn't my choice, I chose Sheffield Wednesday and Grimsby Town and the other two were assigned to me, but I try to be professional in all I do so did my best for the Blades :)

[Vindaloo]

Fairly sure you're wrong. Offline, it's 2v2, 3v1, 4vCPU, but online, you can do 4v4 as far as I can remember (fairly sure I've done it before).

Sorry I thought you meant 4v4 offline, my mistake.

Never tried more than a 2v2 in an online match, but I suppose its possible

[Rodelero]

LOL well it wasn't my choice, I chose Sheffield Wednesday and Grimsby Town and the other two were assigned to me, but I try to be professional in all I do so did my best for the Blades :)

Recent evidence, from a certain match tells me that they ought to be terrible. Have you achieved this? :/

[Placebo]

They're not the only team to lose 6-0 this season ;)

[Rodelero]

True. Tottenham must have lost by that much a few times by now.

[andish2001]

After just going down to my local JB Hi-Fi (big electronics chain in Australia) to preorder fifa 09 expecting it to be ready next thursday the 2nd, i was pleasantly surprised to hear they are breaking release and releasing it on tuesday the 30th! Happy days!

[Coopz]

So who's ordering the full Adidas live thing then?

I was going to but £15 seems a bit much for a bit of form to be added to it

I guess ill get the free Prem one and when i have a league with mates just use Prem teams, well that or buy Spain and Italy seperate

[MadsenDK1987]

After just going down to my local JB Hi-Fi (big electronics chain in Australia) to preorder fifa 09 expecting it to be ready next thursday the 2nd, i was pleasantly surprised to hear they are breaking release and releasing it on tuesday the 30th! Happy days!

Nice one!!

How far is that shop from Glasgow? :-pp

I've preordered mine yesterday at GAME in Buchanan Galleries.

[airjoca]

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10 FIFA 09 Demo

[DagsJT]

Nice one!!

How far is that shop from Glasgow? :-pp

I've preordered mine yesterday at GAME in Buchanan Galleries.

Better ordering it online, you'll probably get it next Thursday instead ;))

@Coopz, I'm just keeping with the Prem as my free league. As long as the rosters are up-to-date, I don't really care about form for leagues which I don't follow.

[Coopz]

@Coopz, I'm just keeping with the Prem as my free league. As long as the rosters are up-to-date, I don't really care about form for leagues which I don't follow.

Im not really but it would just be nice when you have a league with mates to have to change your 1st team ala PES's form arrows

[DagsJT]

Does it affect user-created leagues?

Even then tho, you'd have to spread your league over real weeks for the form to change?

[MadsenDK1987]

Better ordering it online, you'll probably get it next Thursday instead ;))

I know there is a small possibility for that to happen, but having it a day doesn't matter for me. Would be better off having it 3 days before :DANCE:

[Coopz]

Does it affect user-created leagues?

Even then tho, you'd have to spread your league over real weeks for the form to change?

I may not bother with it at all then because it may only mess the team i am up :LOL:

[DagsJT]

Aye. I'm not entirely convinced how well it'll work to be honest. I suppose it's good for random unranked online games or offline multiplayer games where you see your mates every week.

My main interest is MM and BAP though so I'm not sure I'll even notice the form much.

[Trance_Allstar]

I think there could be a way to combine "stats" and "manual control" .
The higher the stats ,the less you 'll mess up the pass,the shooting,the through ball. It could work


Not only possible, but easy. :)


The analog stick allows you to aim anywhere you want, and the stats control how much the pass/shot/cross etc will deviate from the intended aim/power/etc, aswell as make mishits more or less likely.

So just because you give PES manual control over shots rather than the autoaimed ones, you can't hit the top corner every time, because the stats are configured to introduce as much randomized outcomes as real life does.

Obviously, if you suck at using the analog stick, you will have inaccuracy both in the direction you aim the analog stick, aswell as the stats further messing up the ball path. So human skill and practice is required to master the intended aim with the analog stick, and only having the stats of the players in the game introducing unwanted effects to the aim and such. :)

[evacuate]

The attributes already do what you guys are talking about but I guess you want it to interfere even more. Not so sure about that though. I rather see passes go bad when trying to pass behind your back or have the ball in a bad position than standing perfect but resulting in a bad pass just because of attributes.

[Blaccat]

The attributes already do what you guys are talking about but I guess you want it to interfere even more. Not so sure about that though. I rather see passes go bad when trying to pass behind your back or have the ball in a bad position than standing perfect but resulting in a bad pass just because of attributes.
exactly, which would mean everyone and their mothers using manu and bacra all day online

[Geefiasco]

Anyone know how much Blockbuster stores charge for brand new games? (ie. FIFA 09)

[Chris Davies]

£40 - they're the best for trade-ins though, in my experience. Typically they offer £3 more than GAME, sometimes more.

[jonneymendoza]

8 more days till we all cum on our joypads

[Geefiasco]

£40 - they're the best for trade-ins though, in my experience. Typically they offer £3 more than GAME, sometimes more.

Thanks.

[Gunners`]

damn i want to get that game i wanna try Arsenal :P and beat every team in the game loool

[wan_d7]

8 more days till we call cum on our joypads

i can't wait to cum... :sick:

[jonneymendoza]

i can't wait to cum... :sick:

all cum*:LOL: fuck my spelling is shocking:LOL::DANCE:

[eliasg]

OXM joins Official PS mag and GamesMaster in giving FIFA 09 a 9/10.

They gave FIFA 08 and Euro an 8/10

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[reddevils]

is that UK OXM?

[andish2001]

Nice one!!

How far is that shop from Glasgow? :-pp

I've preordered mine yesterday at GAME in Buchanan Galleries.

Approximately 10,516 miles, if my calculations are correct:D. Was very surprised because they rarely break release. Cant wait tho and will post first impressions! Odd that a country that has 3 popular football codes gets first taste. A-League ftw! (Yes I know its rubbish. Its all we've got.)

[Trance_Allstar]

exactly, which would mean everyone and their mothers using manu and bacra all day online

The attributes already do what you guys are talking about but I guess you want it to interfere even more. Not so sure about that though. I rather see passes go bad when trying to pass behind your back or have the ball in a bad position than standing perfect but resulting in a bad pass just because of attributes.


"than standing perfect but resulting in a bad pass just because of attributes"


Well, since it happens in real life, I don't see why it shouldn't find its way into a football simulation. Obviously if the players are in good balance, even a poor defender would be able to strike a good pass with consistent and fair accuracy, but it needs alot more nuance and range than it currently does IMO. :)

[kouroux]

Not only possible, but easy. :)


The analog stick allows you to aim anywhere you want, and the stats control how much the pass/shot/cross etc will deviate from the intended aim/power/etc, aswell as make mishits more or less likely.

So just because you give PES manual control over shots rather than the autoaimed ones, you can't hit the top corner every time, because the stats are configured to introduce as much randomized outcomes as real life does.

Obviously, if you suck at using the analog stick, you will have inaccuracy both in the direction you aim the analog stick, aswell as the stats further messing up the ball path. So human skill and practice is required to master the intended aim with the analog stick, and only having the stats of the players in the game introducing unwanted effects to the aim and such. :)

I remember talking about these subjects with you on pesfan before. We had great ideas but if only Konami could listen .
Anyway this thing with players dribbling/shooting/passing with their weak foot is getting at me :brick: .

[evacuate]

"than standing perfect but resulting in a bad pass just because of attributes"


Well, since it happens in real life, I don't see why it shouldn't find its way into a football simulation. Obviously if the players are in good balance, even a poor defender would be able to strike a good pass with consistent and fair accuracy, but it needs alot more nuance and range than it currently does IMO. :)


Yeah but mostly a bad pass would be because of him being in a stressful situation and FIFA doesn't simulate that. So I agree that in such situation the chance of a bad pass should be more frequent, but if a defender would totally miss a pass without being pressed it would just piss me off and it would feel that the cpu was trying to cheat. It's a tricky situation because you want to feel in control but also that attributes should play a big role in the game.

Edit: The thing is that on manual controls your own stress will be shown in the game. Because you would not aim as perfect at you do when not under stress, just like when playing real football. I think there should be minor difference in how you aim and the result because of attributes, like it is now. And shooting does not always go where you point, because attributes and position is important here, especially position to the ball.

[DaWu]

konami is faking screenshots? :)

http://de.games.konami-europe.com/media/de/000206889.jpg

http://de.games.konami-europe.com/media/de/000206877.jpg

[Nick Cave]

konami is faking screenshots? :)

http://de.games.konami-europe.com/media/de/000206889.jpg

http://de.games.konami-europe.com/media/de/000206877.jpg

How bad does that look...

[Rob92]

Look at the player on the far left of those PES screenshots! :LOL:

Is he wearing 3/4 lengths?

Those graphics are shocking for this generation - the only in-game screenshot which has looked good is the Totti one.

[s33k3rgr]

just one word. Ugly

[Dazfeeder]

lol it looks fucking shocking, could easily be the pc version

[brunnoce]

lol it looks fucking shocking, could easily be the pc version

pc version actually (can)looks better than the ps3/360 version os PES case, as oppose to fifa.

[Bitter Rivals]

guys it is all about the gameplay!

oh yeah i forgot, that sucks to!

roll on fifa instead

[s33k3rgr]

the good think is that fifa 09 gives no room for me (and the most people i think) to be sad about how wrong pro - evo has gone in 2 years time (pes6 and pes2008 was disappointing for me)

i have no desire to learn about pro-evo anymore

[Radiation]

Was messing around in the arena earlier trying to hit hard dipping shots when this happened...

YouTube - Fifa 09 Demo - comedy goal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Osdc2c0oWGM)

Couldn't help but laugh and be impressed at the same time.:DD

Good job Cech's got that headgear on! Amazing goal!

[74ND4 8E42]

hope this hasnt been posted yet.
i was scratching my head a bit at the penalty shootouts. i couldnt always get the ball to go where i wanted. after some experimenting i realized the shooting doesnt work the same way it does during the game ie the power bar does not serve as a height bar or gauge.

if i just point and hold to the area of the goal i want to shoot at with the left stick and then press and hold the shoot button (the more power the better up until the threshold which is about 3/5 of the bar) then the ball seems to go where i want it to.

again sorry if this is posted already or is common knowledge amongst you all. just trying to help!

[Coopz]

hope this hasnt been posted yet.
i was scratching my head a bit at the penalty shootouts. i couldnt always get the ball to go where i wanted. after some experimenting i realized the shooting doesnt work the same way it does during the game ie the power bar does not serve as a height bar or gauge.

if i just point and hold to the area of the goal i want to shoot at with the left stick and then press and hold the shoot button (the more power the better up until the threshold which is about 3/5 of the bar) then the ball seems to go where i want it to.

again sorry if this is posted already or is common knowledge amongst you all. just trying to help!

Yeah that's just the Fifa way of Penalty's ;))

[74ND4 8E42]

dag
...knew i was taking my chances with that one. im a pes convert you see.....
now i look like a jacka$$

[Nick Cave]

dag
...knew i was taking my chances with that one. im a pes convert you see.....
now i look like a jacka$$

No you don't mate that's what forums are all about, does it explain that in the demo, I can't remember...

[Rodelero]

hope this hasnt been posted yet.
i was scratching my head a bit at the penalty shootouts. i couldnt always get the ball to go where i wanted. after some experimenting i realized the shooting doesnt work the same way it does during the game ie the power bar does not serve as a height bar or gauge.

if i just point and hold to the area of the goal i want to shoot at with the left stick and then press and hold the shoot button (the more power the better up until the threshold which is about 3/5 of the bar) then the ball seems to go where i want it to.

again sorry if this is posted already or is common knowledge amongst you all. just trying to help!

The way it works, basically, is you have two different aspects of the aim. With your analogue stick you can choose left, right, and middle, and up, down, or straight. That should give you around 9 places, though I'm slightly confused with how the middle aim works.

When you use the power, the more power the further towards the edge of the goal the ball will go. If you shot to the left, it will go further left, if you shot to the right, it goes further right, and if you shoot at the middle, it goes further up.

So, you can probably, basically hit around 15 different areas of the goal by choice (although, it is totally organic and you can hit towards pretty much any bit).

If you hold RB/R1 (depending on console) it does a finesse version, whether this actually makes any gameplay difference, not that sure. You can also use LB, to do a chip shot... but this always goes down center. Don't ask me why.

[Geefiasco]

konami is faking screenshots? :)

http://de.games.konami-europe.com/media/de/000206889.jpg

http://de.games.konami-europe.com/media/de/000206877.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/20sg6df.jpg

[sweetkilla]

dawu silenced lol

[Gunners`]

so what is so bad about thease screen shots ? its only screen shots of the beta game before its released ! i dont give a damn f*ck for EA and konami plans i care about the game and FIFA 09 win compared to what i saw from pes2008 and 2009 videos and improvment key

[Coopz]

Saw something new in the demo earlier

Drogba and Nesta went up for a header and Drogba got hammered by Nestas running leap winning the ball. Drogba went down like a sack of shit after he landed and had to be taken off :LOL:

[Nick Cave]

Saw something new in the demo earlier

Drogba and Nesta went up for a header and Drogba got hammered by Nestas running leap winning the ball. Drogba went down like a sack of shit after he landed and had to be taken off :LOL:
Damn no vid of it?...

[Coopz]

I never thought really

i replayed it a few times as well :LOL:

[gameklip]

put Dudek in goal for penalties for a surprise :lol:

it shocked me at first.

[jonneymendoza]

7 more days till our wifes/girlfriends will get ignored for a couple of days, maybe weeks!

[Tim7]

6 days ;)).

And I've already told my missus I can't see her on the 3rd October \\:o/.

[kamy100]

Advertisement in the papers today says that an exclusive demo for the PS3 will be available for free from GAME stores tomorrow.

[Placebo]

Won't that simply be the same demo we all got two weeks ago on a DVD?

[Nick Cave]

Won't that simply be the same demo we all got two weeks ago on a DVD?
Maybe it's two and a half min's a half... :DD

[WILDSTER180774]

will there be a podcast on fsb before this game gets released? anybody?

[OPM]

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o81/Milky2323/h-Copy.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o81/Milky2323/h.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o81/Milky2323/h2-Copy.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o81/Milky2323/h2-1.jpg

[Bitter Rivals]

*NEW* Fifa 09 GUIDE

Heaps of new info and screenshots, hints in the FIFA 09 Guide
http://www.operationsports.com/forums/fifa-discussion/270383-official-players-guide-fifa09-ea-sports-updated-56k-warning.html

[PESV]

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o81/Milky2323/h-Copy.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o81/Milky2323/h.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o81/Milky2323/h2-Copy.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o81/Milky2323/h2-1.jpg

Seems like another PES devotee is struggling to find something to dislike.

When is FSB getting their hands on a copy??

[JayD]

Good they gave it 9/10 but what do they mean it's for people who still refuse to embrace Pro Evolution? WTF is that? And controls still not as good as Pro Evo? These mags are really blinded by how good PES 'USED' to be.

[Androctonvs]

if fifa had the PES resposiveness, it'd crush pes on every aspect.

we're still driving tanks.

[Bingham67]

*NEW* Fifa 09 GUIDE

Heaps of new info and screenshots, hints in the FIFA 09 Guide
http://www.operationsports.com/forums/fifa-discussion/270383-official-players-guide-fifa09-ea-sports-updated-56k-warning.html

Nice alot of work there. :))

[football_fan]

Good they gave it 9/10 but what do they mean it's for people who still refuse to embrace Pro Evolution? WTF is that? And controls still not as good as Pro Evo? These mags are really blinded by how good PES 'USED' to be.

i totally agree they still have this image of hoe pes used to be in their heads when they are reviewing FIFA.
they give it 9/10 which is a very gud score then the say its for people who reuse ti embrace pes what with that?...
and i have read in another review that said fifa was very good and they tried to make it sound shit y saying it was too realistic...since when was a football being realistic a problem?..isnt that what both EA and KONAMIare aiming for?...and think this year FIFA is the closest tothe real game and i know that where my money will be going come 3rd october....i will still play PES2009 but i know i will enjoy FIFA09...i even loved the demo and suff from WENB said they had even taking out some animations and stuff...even how the final product willbe like..amazing i say...

oh well maybe these reviewers who love PES too much will come to learn that FIFA is now the better game...will all know really thelove it when they play FIFA they are just trying to hide it...to keep thier fans lol

[Coopz]

if fifa had the PES resposiveness, it'd crush pes on every aspect.

we're still driving tanks.

Thats the whole point of realism!!

you don't have players in in real life that can instantly change direction when running because you would just fall over at that speed

At the end of the day you either have realism or arcade style

PES is the latter because of this

[Chris Davies]

*NEW* Fifa 09 GUIDE

Heaps of new info and screenshots, hints in the FIFA 09 Guide
http://www.operationsports.com/forums/fifa-discussion/270383-official-players-guide-fifa09-ea-sports-updated-56k-warning.html
After reading that I can safely say there isn't enough depth in FIFA, nowhere near. I won't be playing it this year, I'm sticking with PES.

...Can you seriously imagine someone saying that, without sarcasm, after reading that?

:SHOCK:

Stunning, absolutely stunning. The depth in the engine is just unreal. Definitely the closest thing to real football we've ever seen, I don't understand (whilst not meaning to sound "shitty" for want of a better word) how anyone could argue with that. The amount of calculations and possibilities is just crazy.

I'm going to put the demo on now and try to get used to the low shooting method they describe.

[Coopz]

The corning crossing gauge has helped me, im useless at corners and now i know i need 75% power for a decent one :))

[jonneymendoza]

After reading that I can safely say there isn't enough depth in FIFA, nowhere near. I won't be playing it this year, I'm sticking with PES.

...Can you seriously imagine someone saying that, without sarcasm, after reading that?

:SHOCK:
.


mate i was about to go over to where you are and give u right old slap in the face :LOL:

[Rodelero]

Let's be honest, anyone who reviews PES2009 higher than FIFA09, is fundamentally warped. What exactly DOES it have? A few player likenesses which are better, and editing.

I'm going to read that guide a few times, though some of it is 'dum dum' obvious and it could be a little more helpful giving the CONTROLS for some of the stuff.

[LemonJelly]

Can someone explain how the celebration system works? Whenever I score a goal and try and do some "cool" looking celebration, the guy just runs around like some circus monkey (no racial comment intended).

[Rodelero]

:P BEFORE you score, go Start, Controls, Celebration Help, and there is a list of every celebration.

[juju123]

Hi,

In a french review (console+), they says that no weather conditions in a final build!

Im very disapointing!

[Nick Cave]

Hi,

In a french review (console+), they says that no weather conditions in a final build!

Im very disapointing!
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo... Placebo, say it ain't so!!!...

[Chris Davies]

Surely they wouldn't release a trailer featuring rain and snow if that was true - they would get slaughtered by the buyers.

Our preview copies are due to arrive sometime within the next week, I'm sure we'll confirm it either way as soon as we have it.

[*** Nomis1 ***]

Do you know, i really have a sneaky feeling there wont be any weather in too! dunno why, just do - hope im very wrong though!.

[Bitter Rivals]

weather would be a bonus, but it really wouldn't bother me..

[juju123]

But some pics you see a rain !! and why the snow in the trailer ???

No do this EA !! :((

[Rodelero]

:/ Seems a tad unlikely. No review has mentioned it either way thus far, have they?

On the FIFA 09 website, I can't find any murmurings of weather any more :/ Whether there were any before, I'm no sure.

[Chris Davies]

I wouldn't mind there being no weather effects either; it's the fact that they were featured in the trailer. If they're not in the game then that's very disappointing. They were in Euro 2008 and it was a great little addition.

[juju123]

why EA no put the weather in ? its lot of work ??

The trailer and screens was a lie !

[Chris Davies]

why EA no put the weather in ? its lot of work ??
It is a lot of work because it's not just graphics; it effects the gameplay as well. Rain in Euro 2008 made the ball slow up and made the game a lot harder.

But if it's in screenshots and trailers it has to be in the final game, surely?

[juju123]

yeah but only rain !! in euro2008 it was in ^^

im very tired to play a 90% match in sunny day !

[Nick Cave]

I take it it's not been posted anywhere that it's in or out on an EA release or site...?

[Chris Davies]

If you remember, there was a FIFA review that said online Be A Pro/Live Seasons wasn't included in the game, and it is... The trailer featuring weather is even included in the demo (if you leave the pad alone while the "press start to play" screen is on) - I'm sure this is a mistake by the magazine in question.

[juju123]

But in the trailer Ea put the snow and the rain and some pics u see the rain! why isnt in the final build ??

[Aboutreika18]

But in the trailer Ea put the snow and the rain and some pics u see the rain! why isnt in the final build ??
Where is evidence to back up your claim?

[Rodelero]

There is still a screenshot on the website with weather, and quite a few show overcast. In the demo, in the settings, the option 'Condition' - odd name if it just means night and day, says 'Play Under the Natural Light of Day, or Under the Stadium's Floodlights'. I agree with Chris though, this is pretty much paranoia... then again, I can't think of anything about weather in any review, or the website as far as I can see/remember/

[Nick Cave]

But in the trailer Ea put the snow and the rain and some pics u see the rain! why isnt in the final build ??
juju123, i don't think anyone knows for sure whether the weather is in or not, Placebo said they have already said they will not include night game in the MM, no weather in there too and I'll be looking at playing PES good or bad because I'll be so gutted with EA...

[DagsJT]

But in the trailer Ea put the snow and the rain and some pics u see the rain! why isnt in the final build ??

Relax, mate. It's not the end of the world, certainly not enough to warrant five posts asking why it's not in when we don't know if it is or not either :LOL: ;))

[Nick Cave]

Where is evidence to back up your claim?
I think thats a question mate...? :))

[juju123]

no but Ea lie all people waiting for the game and play all matchs in a sunny light is not funny at all !

[Placebo]

As I recall weather had been confirmed but it's not in the game as some kind of selectable sunny/overcast/rain/snow option, but rather at certain times during certain matches in appropriate seasons it may rain/snow? Could have sworn I read that from somewhere, I've asked Suff to confirm with his EA contacts......

[Nick Cave]

As I recall weather had been confirmed but it's not in the game as some kind of selectable sunny/overcast/rain/snow option, but rather at certain times during certain matches in appropriate seasons it may rain/snow? Could have sworn I read that from somewhere, I've asked Suff to confirm with his EA contacts......
we are all waiting with bated breath Placebo... :LOL:

[Oli]

I'm sure it will just be like Euro 2008. You can select day, night, night rain, etc

[juju123]

Thanks placebo because David rutter had been confirmed too that weather include in ^^ i see that in a interview video.

[Placebo]

Trying to find confirmation:

http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/fifa-09-sony-playstation-3-microsoft-xbox-360/330913-weather-effects-manager-mode.html#post5573804

From A Video Interview Of Simon Rutter That If The Weather Is Overcast There Will Be A Chance Of Rain....there Is No Weather Setting For Rain In Fifa 09. If U Are Playing In Overcast Weather It Might Rain, It Might Not. And The Rainfall Is Realistic In The Sense That It Can Stop Raining And Start Again. It Doesnt Just Rain For The Entire Match.
However There Will Be No Instances When The Ball Gets Stuck In A Puddle Like In Euro 2008 Because Rutter And The Guys At Ea Say This Disrupts The Game (some Of U May Not Like This But I Personally Think Its A Good Idea)

Juju you remember which video interview this was?

[juju123]

i think is the same video that you say ^^

Placebo im french and im very bad in english hihi, can you say me if in your text, wheather in ?

[pepper63]

Saw something new in the demo earlier

Drogba and Nesta went up for a header and Drogba got hammered by Nestas running leap winning the ball. Drogba went down like a sack of shit after he landed and had to be taken off :LOL:Now that's fucking football.:))

[Placebo]

That is not official text, it's some guy posting same as you what he remembers from a video of Rutter being interviewed.....

[juju123]

i see a video from Barcelona convention, its the only video to show us a rain !

Spain Vs Brazil match !

http://www.n4g.com/pc/News-180245.aspx

YouTube - Fifa 2009 - Gameplay - Brazil vs Spain - Part Two (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_xkn_TOLAs&feature=related)

You can see here a text from wiki that says rain and snow include.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_09

[Rodelero]

I've found a video with rain in it, and I'm 99.99% sure it's gameplay...

http://www.operationsports.com/ostv.php?id=145&no=2&outof=3

Watch carefully. There is a shot taken relatively early, goalie saves, and you can see rain falling.

In fact, there's rain all the way through that video. Obviously, it COULD-COULD have been taken out, but that sounds highly doubtful.

[Blaccat]

Trying to find confirmation:

http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/fifa-09-sony-playstation-3-microsoft-xbox-360/330913-weather-effects-manager-mode.html#post5573804



Juju you remember which video interview this was?
I think its the interview with the german xbox site and that weird guy

[Placebo]

So found some more confirmation it was in earlier builds at least, Operationsports had a couple of people who went over to Vancouver a couple of months ago, here's some confirmation from them:

http://www.operationsports.com/forums/fifa-discussion/263142-community-q-fifa-09-a.html

Yea the ball was really skipping and taking off in the rain.

http://www.operationsports.com/forums/fifa-discussion/258867-therizings-community-day-impression-so-far-7.html#post2038551049

I actually didn't see any "weather" in the game. It is there but, you can't set it in the game settings menu. It's a random occurrence. Rain and snow are likely to appear in games that have the overcast option for the stadium.

[RockyJJP]

Trying to find confirmation:

http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/fifa-09-sony-playstation-3-microsoft-xbox-360/330913-weather-effects-manager-mode.html#post5573804



Juju you remember which video interview this was?

In my opinion that is much better, if it's true of course.

[Placebo]

I have to go into town to buy my wife a birthday present (it's her birthday today!)

If anyone's bored these are links to Rutter video interviews:

http://www.fifasoccerblog.com/2008/08/fifa-09-new-interview-gameplay-vid-from.html
http://www.fifasoccerblog.com/2008/08/fsb-exclusive-q-with-david-rutter.html
http://www.fifasoccerblog.com/2008/09/g4-tv-preview.html

[Rodelero]

It's customary, I believe, to buy presents before the day. Have fun :P

[Nick Cave]

I have to go into town to buy my wife a birthday present (it's her birthday today!)

If anyone's bored these are links to Rutter video interviews:

http://www.fifasoccerblog.com/2008/08/fifa-09-new-interview-gameplay-vid-from.html
http://www.fifasoccerblog.com/2008/08/fsb-exclusive-q-with-david-rutter.html
http://www.fifasoccerblog.com/2008/09/g4-tv-preview.html
You're all heart Placebo... :LOL:

[Rodelero]

Overcast, rain will randomly occur. Rain effects physics. Puddles are gone. Broke responsiveness of the game sometimes. Snow available in SOME stadia. This is from David Rutter's own mouth in an interview: http://www.xboxdynasty.de/movie/xbox_360_fifa_soccer_2009_interview_mit_david_rutt er___100mb_movie_2080.html

Go to 7 minutes, 30.

[Chris Davies]

The magazine mentioned only played the game for five minutes then; suspected as much.

[Blaccat]

Overcast, rain will randomly occur. Rain effects physics. Puddles are gone. Broke responsiveness of the game sometimes. Snow available in SOME stadia. This is from David Rutter's own mouth in an interview: http://www.xboxdynasty.de/movie/xbox_360_fifa_soccer_2009_interview_mit_david_rutt er___100mb_movie_2080.html

Go to 7 minutes, 30.

YouTube - FIFA 09 NG Interview David Rutter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFuU0ENpodg)

[Placebo]

Thanks Blaccat & Rodelero :)

[Nick Cave]

YouTube - FIFA 09 NG Interview David Rutter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFuU0ENpodg)
Hmmm snow in some stadia! we should have rain then and no puddles I forgot about those I'm glad they are gone... It does not say anything about it being in MM though does it?

[juju123]

I think it being in MM but no night games ! i dont know why..

[OPM]

http://www.mygamercard.net/leaderboard.php?gt=&g=611&z=&c=&x=66&y=12

allready a few more people with the game

[Rodelero]

Hmmm snow in some stadia! we should have rain then and no puddles I forgot about those I'm glad they are gone... It does not say anything about it being in MM though does it?

They occur at random in overcast. Was their 'overcast' in MM in FIFA 08? That will likely answer your question. (doesn't matter whether there was a setting, did you get the clouds)

[juju123]

http://www.mygamercard.net/leaderboard.php?gt=&g=611&z=&c=&x=66&y=12

allready a few more people with the game

Lucky mansssssssss :))

[RockyJJP]

Lucky mansssssssss :))
So i gather it's gone gold

[Coopz]

Of course there is rain

why have it in Euro and take it out for a bigger game?

[cb7]

I think it being in MM but no night games ! i dont know why..

In fifa 08 there is a glitch that let´s you change MM night/day/dusk by selecting them in the friendly set up, hopefully someone at FSB will confirm if it's still in 09.

[Becanes]

I have finally caught back up on the news. Just felt like I needed to say that.

[Placebo]

I have finally caught back up on the news. Just felt like I needed to say that.

Great, we'd stopped sharing new information cos we were worried you were getting left behind ;)

[brunnoce]

Chungface guys is definatly someone from EA , i remember him having fifa08 a lot earlier last year too.

[WEtongelre]

Guide:

http://www.operationsports.com/forums/fifa-discussion/270383-official-players-guide-fifa09-ea-sports-updated-56k-warning.html

Very interesting

[shieldslfc]

Any reputable Mag or site reviewed it yet ??????

[Rob92]

Any reputable Mag or site reviewed it yet ??????No mag or site are reputable any more - all of them bullshit or are biased - I wouldn't believe any of them on the quality of games, they are just useful sometimes for information/facts about games.

That guide is brilliant, and highlights why FIFA is so good, the depth in the gameplay is incredible. I don't think shot power and height should be related though - in real life you see a lot of very powerful low shots.

[Erik]

Honestly, if in MM the European games are not at night then I will have a hard time buying this game. It drove me nuts playing all the games at night or during the day. If EA wants to make this as "real" as it can be, that seems like a such a simple fix. I was astonished at the lack of accuracy for Fifa 08 on PS3 when Fifa 07 on PS2 was just about spot on.

[jamxo]

Maybe slightly off topic but I hope it's something included in 09 -

In manager mode in Fifa 08, on ps2 you can schedule pre-season friendlies - but one can't on the xbox360 version right? Why is that?

[Rodelero]

Wo. You can save twenty eight custom tactics!

[Placebo]

Honestly, if in MM the European games are not at night then I will have a hard time buying this game. It drove me nuts playing all the games at night or during the day. If EA wants to make this as "real" as it can be, that seems like a such a simple fix. I was astonished at the lack of accuracy for Fifa 08 on PS3 when Fifa 07 on PS2 was just about spot on.

No night matches in manager mode, sucks but confirmed numerous times in here.

Maybe slightly off topic but I hope it's something included in 09 -

In manager mode in Fifa 08, on ps2 you can schedule pre-season friendlies - but one can't on the xbox360 version right? Why is that?

No friendlies in Fifa09 manager mode.

[Erik]

[QUOTE=Placebo;1453501]No night matches in manager mode, sucks but confirmed numerous times in here.

Why in the world couldn't they add that in? It makes no sense to me... Of course, I don't know the ins and outs of game development, but wouldn't it be a simple transfer of code from one platform to another?

What is silly is it feels like FIFA takes one step forward, one step back. Great, we may get weather effects that we can't control but there was snow years ago and you could play with the orange ball... why did they ever take it out?

I am not a PES fan what so ever - who can take the time to play as merseyside red - but this news is just silly. Maybe I am being too harsh...

[Jamezinho]

Why in the world couldn't they add that in? It makes no sense to me... Of course, I don't know the ins and outs of game development, but wouldn't it be a simple transfer of code from one platform to another?

What is silly is it feels like FIFA takes one step forward, one step back. Great, we may get weather effects that we can't control but there was snow years ago and you could play with the orange ball... why did they ever take it out?

I am not a PES fan what so ever - who can take the time to play as merseyside red - but this news is just silly. Maybe I am being too harsh...

You're not being harsh. I totally agree with you.

The things you mention are basics that shouldn't command too much development time at all.

[hitmanuk]

Who cares about night games in manager mode and orange balls..what matters is getting the game right..having the same feeling scoring as you used to in the old ISS games..getting the responsiveness right..thankfully we are there this year with plenty of bells and whistles included to last till next year

[eliasg]

lazy EA as always, but the gameplay rocks...

[Nick Cave]

Who cares about night games in manager mode and orange balls..what matters is getting the game right..having the same feeling scoring as you used to in the old ISS games..getting the responsiveness right..thankfully we are there this year with plenty of bells and whistles included to last till next year

If you're after a football Sim it matters, these are tangible things that can/should be added, it may take some time to do but it's not like tying to create a game engine...

[Erik]

Who cares about night games in manager mode and orange balls..what matters is getting the game right..having the same feeling scoring as you used to in the old ISS games..getting the responsiveness right..thankfully we are there this year with plenty of bells and whistles included to last till next year

Well, I care... The gameplay is improved but after 10 day games the scenery starts to look the same.

When you market yourself as the most complete and accurate game on the planet, why not make a few changes to reflect that?

[Placebo]

Why in the world couldn't they add that in? It makes no sense to me...

If you read a page or two back I explained EA's reason why there.


Who cares about night games in manager mode

Me, considering manager mode has had fuck all improvements where as Online is heavily built onto from Fifa08, Be a Pro is heavily built onto from Fifa08 there are those of us manager mode fans who were holding out for a few small crumbs of hope like variable weather, midweek night matches, AI fatigue rotation, AI playing purchased players......

[k_19]

Hopefully the nighttime glitch in 08 is still in there. It wasn't that much of a hassle to do and the best thing about it was that you were able to control it... unlike PS2/PSP versions of FIFA 08 where it was totally random.

I'd be pretty mad if they took it out though.

[gameklip]

After reading that I can safely say there isn't enough depth in FIFA, nowhere near. I won't be playing it this year, I'm sticking with PES.

...Can you seriously imagine someone saying that, without sarcasm, after reading that?

:SHOCK:

Stunning, absolutely stunning. The depth in the engine is just unreal. Definitely the closest thing to real football we've ever seen, I don't understand (whilst not meaning to sound "shitty" for want of a better word) how anyone could argue with that. The amount of calculations and possibilities is just crazy.

I'm going to put the demo on now and try to get used to the low shooting method they describe.


i agree man. the detail is staggering! :SHOCK:

[brunnoce]

i agree man. the detail is staggering! :SHOCK:

yeh..im with u guys...
ive already knew about the custom tatics and all..but after reading this player guide im very impressed on the level of AI this game has...
its just ridiculous...football heaven for us sim guys...

i love it.

im gonna spend a loooooooot of time testing teams from all over the world just to feel the difernt styles of playing!

[kobashi]

the depth in this game is incredible.

[chriswilliams]

for those who aint seen it, the back of the game cover, pretty dull really, saying that what do i want expect from it haha

http://www.woolworths.co.uk//product_images/17/18/46/17184683.jpg

[Gunners`]

One of my freind work in Games shop he told me that the game will be in his store before the 3rd of Octobar maybe around the 27th or 28th of this mounth and he is Soo sure guys !! HOPE Sooo i told him to book 1 copy for me Yesssssssss

[reddevils]

well he and you may get the copy early but they are not allowed to sell it to us early

[Bingham67]

Quite a few videos on EA football world

http://www.eafootballworld.com/en_GB/videos/index/view/all?game=fifa

http://www.eafootballworld.com/en_GB/video/780503

http://www.eafootballworld.com/en_GB/video/783152

[Chris Davies]

Great stuff. And THIS VIDEO (http://www.eafootballworld.com/en_GB/video/783152) (the third link in your post) proves that weather effects are in. God I hate it when magazines talk shite.

[reddevils]

thats the PS2/PC though :?

EDIT: my bad, that is next gen....the fuzzy looking nets confused me

[andythom77]

last night i accidentally took someone out off the ball with Ruud Van Nistelrooy. Then after gaining possession and putting a cross in, with a little help from a schalke defender heading it on i smashed the ball in with Ruud Van Nistelrooy. who then was shown a red card for the previous offence.

i know if i was the other team i would be slightly annoyed.

anyone else had this happen?

this can't happen in the released version, red card offences stop play immediately.

i was very impressed by the defensive error that lead to the goal though. the schalke defender stretching to get the ball and not getting enough of a connection to clear the cross. it looked very realistic

[Placebo]

Great stuff. And THIS VIDEO (http://www.eafootballworld.com/en_GB/video/783152) (the third link in your post) proves that weather effects are in. God I hate it when magazines talk shite.

LOL Accrington Stanley! That's one of my teams :)

[Placebo]

last night i accidentally took someone out off the ball with Ruud Van Nistelrooy. Then after gaining possession and putting a cross in, with a little help from a schalke defender heading it on i smashed the ball in with Ruud Van Nistelrooy. who then was shown a red card for the previous offence.

i know if i was the other team i would be slightly annoyed.

anyone else had this happen?

this can't happen in the released version, red card offences stop play immediately.


Yeah that is a bit bobbins, hopefully fixed.

[Tim7]

You don't HAVE to stop the game to produce a red card, so if the ref felt the opposition team had a good advantage he should play on and show the red card at the next stoppage in play. Unfortunately it just happened to be a goal scored by the player to be sent off! :LOL:

[evacuate]

That depends on some things Tim7. I talked to a professional ref and he said as soon as the player that is going to get the red card touches the ball, the play have to stop and the second yellow or straight red will be shown. If he never touch the ball then the game go on and the result could be a goal and then a red card to the player.

If he touch the ball and gets his red card the ref drops the ball between two players. Don't know what it is called in English.

[Nick Cave]

That depends on some things Tim7. I talked to a professional ref and he said as soon as the player that is going to get the red card touches the ball, the play have to stop and the second yellow or straight red will be shown. If he never touch the ball then the game go on and the result could be a goal and then a red card to the player.

If he touch the ball and gets his red card the ref drops the ball between two players. Don't know what it is called in English.
A drop ball...

[evacuate]

Thanks...

[MO_DINERO]

Fascinating depth in that players guide, I'll have to hibernate with this for a month or so before I feel comfortable enough to go online, it's great to see such attention to detail.

[proxi]

That depends on some things Tim7. I talked to a professional ref and he said as soon as the player that is going to get the red card touches the ball, the play have to stop and the second yellow or straight red will be shown. If he never touch the ball then the game go on and the result could be a goal and then a red card to the player.

If he touch the ball and gets his red card the ref drops the ball between two players. Don't know what it is called in English.
As NC says, a drop ball, however if it's a match between Spurs' first team and the Spurs reserves, it's regarded as a merciful suicide bomb.

[Nick Cave]

For 2010, they should lock five people away and only let them out once they have made a fluid running figure...

[andythom77]

You don't HAVE to stop the game to produce a red card, so if the ref felt the opposition team had a good advantage he should play on and show the red card at the next stoppage in play. Unfortunately it just happened to be a goal scored by the player to be sent off! :LOL:
i did mean immediately after there advantage had been played, sorry for any confusion.

but in real football if there is an off the ball inccident then usually play stops immediately due to the players stopping and the ref getting invovled to resolve the situation

[football_fan]

the videos look great cheers..
the runnin animation i guess need some work....mabe a bit more variation or something...who know they may woprk on this in 2010....but overall great looking game so far...
cannot wait for the day it comes out

ARSENAL MANAGER MODE, FIRST BUY YALA BOLASIE....a mate who playes for plymouth agyle...great player with pace...check him out when you get the chance

[football_fan]

for those who aint seen it, the back of the game cover, pretty dull really, saying that what do i want expect from it haha

http://www.woolworths.co.uk//product_images/17/18/46/17184683.jpg

its whats in the box that counts :-pp

[tata]

One of my freind work in Games shop he told me that the game will be in his store before the 3rd of Octobar maybe around the 27th or 28th of this mounth and he is Soo sure guys !! HOPE Sooo i told him to book 1 copy for me Yesssssssss

I am getting the game on Tuesday (cashed in on a favour)...gonna get just the DVD on Tuesday, for the plastic and papers I have to wait until friday :))

[football_fan]

hey...do you guys know there i can find the stats of the some of the players in fifa09 plus faces...like the ones that pes2009 has out now


thanks alot if you find them it will be great....i know the game is coming out soon but it will keep me a little busy.

[Joe]

http://www.eafootballworld.com/en_GB/video/782223

Argh night matches still look weird

[Nick Cave]

http://www.eafootballworld.com/en_GB/video/782223

Argh night matches still look weird

Looks like 1960's floodlights with half the bulbs out...:LOL:

[Bingham67]

IGN UK Review

8.0 Presentation
Menus are slick, but with so many they're a little cumbersome.

8.5 Graphics
Hardly an improvement, but still a step ahead of the opposition.

9.0 Sound
The commentary and crowd noises conspire together to create an authentic experience.

8.5 Gameplay
So exactingly realistic it can be off-putting and not without a few gripes, it's still the best FIFA yet.

9.0 Lasting Appeal
The Adidas Live Season will keep it fresh for the next 12 months, and the online modes are a triumph throughout.

8.9 Great Overall

http://feeds.ign.com/~r/ignfeeds/xbox360/~3/403686157/913467p1.html

[jeblo05]

IGN Review 8.9 (http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/913/913467p1.html)

I think I was too slow, pasting the link....

[Placebo]

Wonder if they'll be sponsoring PES again ;)

[Bitter Rivals]

sod playing at night

looks crap!

[Placebo]

Am I the only one to find this funny:

8.5 Graphics
Hardly an improvement, but still a step ahead of the opposition.

Fifa08 review:
8.0 Graphics
The same good looking animations and player models return, even if they do move a bit slower. Now if they could only give gamers more control of what's going on.

So the graphics are "hardly improved" yet they graciously give 0.5 extra for no reason?

Considering that the player models are noticeably more realistic looking I fail to see where they get the "hardly an improvement" from, at least they do admit that Fifa is better looking than PES........

[Placebo]

Also:

Not that the single-player experience is neglected. Manager Mode is a little fleshed out

Funny that we've been hearing that manager mode is untouched, so how is it fleshed out? Sadly they don't bother telling us, all they tell us is "it's still not as immersive as PES's Master League"............

[Nick Cave]

Also:


Funny that we've been hearing that manager mode is untouched, so how is it fleshed out? Sadly they don't bother telling us, all they tell us is "it's still not as immersive as PES's Master League"............
Not as impressive as a complete fabrication? That's reality for you.. :SS

[Tim7]

Too realistic? :lmao:

IGN can suck my balls.

[adelante]

SCore's not too shabby I suppose...though the game falls victim to its realism aspect once again...don't understand how it can be penalized for that, of all things.

[Nick Cave]

I guess if you are used to playing Speedy Gonzalez ping pong, reality can seem a little slow...

[kobashi]

If it was pro doing the realism they would be raving!!

[DaWu]

4players.de gave top spin 3 a rating of 67% because it was too realistic.
the should play wii tennis instead..

those reviews are all written by morons and I couldnt care less about the ratings

[Coopz]

IGN UK Review

8.0 Presentation
Menus are slick, but with so many they're a little cumbersome.

8.5 Graphics
Hardly an improvement, but still a step ahead of the opposition.

9.0 Sound
The commentary and crowd noises conspire together to create an authentic experience.

8.5 Gameplay
So exactingly realistic it can be off-putting and not without a few gripes, it's still the best FIFA yet.

9.0 Lasting Appeal
The Adidas Live Season will keep it fresh for the next 12 months, and the online modes are a triumph throughout.

8.9 Great Overall

http://feeds.ign.com/~r/ignfeeds/xbox360/~3/403686157/913467p1.html

Would have been around a 9.3 then if the menus wasn't so slow then

i noticed that with the demo

[Rodelero]

It's the same every time. Any review lower than 90%: The game is too realistic.

[FlawlessCowboy]

IGN UK are cunts. I've never seen a good review from those guys.

So to be fair, an 8.9 from them is really good. But still, they're idiots

[football_fan]

Wonder if they'll be sponsoring PES again ;)

from IGN
"This slavishness to reality may be jarring to those who've plied their trade in other football franchises, and it's fascinating to see how FIFA has now set itself up as the more simulation minded game in opposition to the instant gratification that PES offers."


sounds like they are starting to see sense....but maybe they still love the instant gratification that the mention about PES

[Coopz]

fuck the reviews

they are meant to be reviewing Fifa but they always mention PES

[Becanes]

The review was actually pretty decent. I'm not sure if the score matches what the reviewer said. It just seems like he has a different preference for football (PES).

[football_fan]

the review also says this
'Wet weather returns from EURO 2008, bogging down the pitch with puddles and slowing the play.'

i this true i thought i heard David say that 09 will not have this because it broke responsiveness and stuff....does this mean they have decided to add it in the final build?

i guess its good as long as it does not break responsiveness.

[Placebo]

I replied to the same Q on the EA forums, I would guess they're speaking metaphorically......

[Ferraritim]

The review was actually pretty decent. I'm not sure if the score matches what the reviewer said. It just seems like he has a different preference for football (PES).

That's the problem with all reviews so far. They prefer PES, and I'm starting to think it's not because of the style of PES but because the game is called PES.

First they preferred PES because it was more realistic. And now they admit that Fifa is more realistic, but it's too realistic. What a joke.

[deathcab001]

The caption underneath the Wayne Rooney pic in the IGN review:

Wet weather returns from EURO 2008, bogging down the pitch with puddles and slowing the play.

...which is in direct contrast to what has been said over the past 3 pages on this thread/various interviews about how puddle have been removed :LOL:

did they play this game?

8.9 is a good score, but i doubt they will give pes a lower score

[beachryan]

I think it's a fair point re: pick up and playability. Imagine being a reviewer who has never played FIFA or PES before - it'd be incredibly difficult to grab FIFA and start doing what you wnated. For most of us this is a good thing as we're seasoned pro's at the games, but I can understand how it could be viewed as a hinderance.

Anyway, I'm massively excited, can't wait. I bought a 360 last year for 08, and a year on (and the obligatory shipping off for fixing) looks like I'll finally get a game I'm satisfied with. Bring. It. On.

[juju123]

The caption underneath the Wayne Rooney pic in the IGN review:

Wet weather returns from EURO 2008, bogging down the pitch with puddles and slowing the play.

...which is in direct contrast to what has been said over the past 3 pages on this thread/various interviews about how puddle have been removed :LOL:

did they play this game?

8.9 is a good score, but i doubt they will give pes a lower score



Puddles in !! its great :LOL:

But did they play really the game or its fake review...

[evacuate]

8.9 from PES fanboy magazine and they say it's too realistic. I'd say that's pretty impressive and exactly what we realism freaks wanted to hear.

I predict they give PES 9.5 this time.

[kobashi]

Its annoying cos Pro was always given plaudits for its realism compared to Fifa. Now Fifa is doing realism suddenly it becomes maybe to realistic.

[Nick Cave]

I think for the longest time PES played such a better game than FIFA, it was more fluid and instinctive, but when you look at it beside a real football game the speed was always way too fast along with the way the ball would whip around too...
I think the jump from PES speed to 08 speed is too much for most PES fans to take, I hope the speed bar will make it easier for the PES addict to at least try FIFA...

[Trance_Allstar]

The caption underneath the Wayne Rooney pic in the IGN review:

Wet weather returns from EURO 2008, bogging down the pitch with puddles and slowing the play.

...which is in direct contrast to what has been said over the past 3 pages on this thread/various interviews about how puddle have been removed :LOL:


This is one of the problems with reviews and such. They almost always color their comments, and are never concise or analytical enough.


In this case, it might be the case of the game having rain that alters the physics evenly on the pitch, and the "puddle" comment is just the reviewer adding a dash of color commentary to the feature. In other words, there might not be actual puddle formations on the pitch where the ball gets stuck, but it is just an unnecessary elaboration on the concept of "rain" from the reviewer.

[jamxo]

Two things that perhaps might be improved in manager mode:

1) In the IGN review it says that cup finals are now played at Wembley - that is new right?

2) And if you view the new screenshots over at
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fruliweb.empas.com%2Fdata% 2Frulinews%2Fread.htm%3Fnum%3D16371&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=ko&tl=en

(english translation)
you can see that Man city's homeground under "FOOTBALL GROUND" (they don't have the city of manchester stadium in fifa) isn't Estadio de las Artes is it?. Does this hint that we can choose stadium or at least you will get the right generic stadium for your league? In one of the video's they said that they really wanted to make you feel like you were playing all over the world with new stadiums and different crowds - so it would seem that they wont just chuck everyone in Las Artes?!

What do you reckon?

[Placebo]

I think it's a fair point re: pick up and playability. Imagine being a reviewer who has never played FIFA or PES before - it'd be incredibly difficult to grab FIFA and start doing what you wnated. For most of us this is a good thing as we're seasoned pro's at the games, but I can understand how it could be viewed as a hinderance.


A reviewer who has never played Fifa/PES before should not be reviewing Fifa/PES IMO.

It's like me reviewing an RTS game, I hate RTS games and thus would give it a shit review.........

[Placebo]

you can see that Man city's homeground (they don't have the city of manchester stadium fifa) is a generic English stadium I think - not Estadio de las Artes. Does this hint that we can choose stadium or at least you will get the right generic stadium for your league?

It was confirmed a long time back that there are more generic stadiums and are assigned for each league as appropriately as possible.......

[Dusse]

Is there any list of the stadiums in 09?

[jamxo]

It was confirmed a long time back that there are more generic stadiums and are assigned for each league as appropriately as possible.......

So we wont have the plague of Las Artes anymore?!

[jamxo]

http://ruliwebimg.empas.com/data/news9/09m/26/ps3/ruliweb_fifa09_22.jpg

Also I am totally amused by how the generic British arena seems to look like a ruined battlefield from the Second World War!

[Coopz]

It looks like a concentration camp

[Nick Cave]

Can't see the problem, that's Britain to a tee, though there should be some hoodies nicking everything slowly then Knifing you for the ball...

[juju123]

http://ruliwebimg.empas.com/data/news9/09m/26/ps3/ruliweb_fifa09_22.jpg

Also I am totally amused by how the generic British arena seems to look like a ruined battlefield from the Second World War!


If feel the rain was comin in the pitch...

[gameklip]

yup, looks like a courtyard i played in once :lol:

[gameklip]

Am I the only one to find this funny:


Fifa08 review:


So the graphics are "hardly improved" yet they graciously give 0.5 extra for no reason?

Considering that the player models are noticeably more realistic looking I fail to see where they get the "hardly an improvement" from, at least they do admit that Fifa is better looking than PES........

the lad reviewing has absolutely no clue. he gets found out a few times in that article. especially with player switching (which you can use the right analogue stick or knock down the assistance slider to improve).

tbh, i'm pretty sure we know more about the game than some of these guys reviewing3-4 games at once.

[74ND4 8E42]

the lad reviewing has absolutely no clue. he gets found out a few times in that article. especially with player switching (which you can use the right analogue stick or knock down the assistance slider to improve).

tbh, i'm pretty sure we know more about the game than some of these guys reviewing3-4 games at once.

i think i can safely say you guys definitely know more about the game than these dudes......at least from my experience on the board the last couple of months...

[red_devils2k4]

i personally think that the reviews for Fifa and PES are starting to annoys me.
In the last gen,PES was good because it was the ultimate simulation and it reflects how the sport is in reality. That was why they prefer PES over FIFA.
Now that the opposite is happening, FIFA is deeper and more realistic. They are saying now that they prefer to have the fun of PES.
I wonder what did Konami do to these reviewer to make them so dumb.

[Chris Davies]

I wonder what did Konami do to these reviewer to make them so dumb.
I think it's more "if we're a bit too honest about the game then Konami aren't going to give us anything to put in our magazine"...

Although saying that I'm sure they all genuinely do prefer PES to FIFA, simply because that's what they're used to, and they've played it so often and known it to be the most realistic for so long that they still imagine it to be realistic.

[OPM]

http://homepage.mac.com/picsilike/.Public/fifa091.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/picsilike/.Public/fifa092.jpg

according to the ea forums this is from a shop in n/e london...start the hunt!

[Rob92]

That's such a tease :((.

[Bingham67]

Video on youtube also :))

YouTube - Fifa 09 PS3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3rnNIqQ7vU)

[Chris Davies]

:( Just not fair.

He must be very lucky, there's a shop in my area that sells games as soon as they come in and he's being told he won't be getting them until early next week at the earliest, possibly even Thursday.

[Placebo]

Lucky bastard!

According to his post on the EA forums he has a terminally ill wife so perhaps not so lucky :-ll I know where you're coming from of course but felt I should post that to put it into perspective.

[Rob92]

:( Just not fair.

He must be very lucky, there's a shop in my area that sells games as soon as they come in and he's being told he won't be getting them until early next week at the earliest, possibly even Thursday.Only 7 days to go for the rest of us though - just find a few games to eat up that time or do something away from the computer/console, it'll soon pass ;)) It doesn't seem like too long ago that Euro was only just released and that was about 5-6 months ago.

Get Peggle, that will pass some time if you get addicted ;).

According to his post on the EA forums he has a terminally ill wife so perhaps not so lucky :-ll I know where you're coming from of course but felt I should post that to put it into perspective.I feel so guilty now :(, i'll edit my post, that's a sad thing to hear about anyone.

[Coopz]

Video on youtube also :))

YouTube - Fifa 09 PS3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3rnNIqQ7vU)

I like that arena :))

[Bingham67]

Yeah looks smart :))

[Sugarray]

What about me and all the others guys that have to wait until the usa release in 14/11???? Stop complaining for nothing :(:(:(

[gameklip]

the arena looks sick.

[jonneymendoza]

http://homepage.mac.com/picsilike/.Public/fifa091.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/picsilike/.Public/fifa092.jpg

according to the ea forums this is from a shop in n/e london...start the hunt!
let me guess. walthamstow in a shop called "awsome games"

[kobashi]

let me guess. walthamstow in a shop called "awsome games"

I just called them. They have got it as when I asked, the guy's response was "are you a regular". When i I said no, he said next week!

[sweetkilla]

I just called them. They have got it as when I asked, the guy's response was "are you a regular". When i I said no, he said next week!

call up again different voice and say you are ? :-pp

[jonneymendoza]

I just called them. They have got it as when I asked, the guy's response was "are you a regular". When i I said no, he said next week!
ha you see, i know about it mate. i could get this game this weekend if i wanted to. i know people also but im patient and just pre ordered it from shopto. cheaper as the place i can get it from, will charge me £50 for it. sod that no matter how great the game might be.

if you guys dont believe me, well i got gta4 nearly a whole week before it was officialy launched by the same source

[jonneymendoza]

call up again different voice and say you are ? :-pp
you have got to know these guys personally mate for them to give u a copy.

[gameklip]

"are you a regula?"
"..er.. no?"
"well fark awf then!"

~dial tone~

:lol:

[BwA Spectre]

So, just read the review from ign.com. Their UK reviewer gave it an 8.9. I thought he/she was gonna give it a 9.3 or so going by what he/she wrote but the final score was an 8.9 which is still really good. An 8.9 from ign = a 9.5 from a respectable site. IGN giving it an 8.9 says alot about the greatness of this game. I predict they'll give PES at least a 9.2

I believe OXM and PSM gave it a 9.0 each as well. Judging by the demo, I would guess 9.0 myself. One thing to bare in mind is that ign is in business with Konami so obviously they cannot give fifa a higher score than PES. I personally feel that ign reviewer wanted to give it a 9.3 or so but felt compelled not to shoot his emplyer in the foot. :NONO:

[k_19]

What about me and all the others guys that have to wait until the usa release in 14/11???? Stop complaining for nothing :(:(:(

Don't you mean 14/10? November sounds like Pro Evo release date.

Well, that's what the GameFAQs says anyway.

[Achillias]

I wonder about the grapics off the ps3 version. Pleas let it be equal as the Xbox 360.

Anyone has asked him already about it?

[pepper63]

ha you see, i know about it mate. i could get this game this weekend if i wanted to. i know people also but im patient and just pre ordered it from shopto. cheaper as the place i can get it from, will charge me £50 for it. sod that no matter how great the game might be.

if you guys dont believe me, well i got gta4 nearly a whole week before it was officialy launched by the same sourceYour a grass pal>:DD

[gameklip]

the lad reviewing has absolutely no clue. he gets found out a few times in that article. especially with player switching (which you can use the right analogue stick or knock down the assistance slider to improve).

tbh, i'm pretty sure we know more about the game than some of these guys reviewing3-4 games at once.

I wonder about the grapics off the ps3 version. Pleas let it be equal as the Xbox 360.

Anyone has asked him already about it?

i asked. didn't get an answer.

i think PS3 only owners think we're trolling. i'm really not. not even picky normally. it's just so obvious when flipping over the channel (got both demos). it's weird cause my PS3 games normally look better cause i have it hooked up via HDMI.

i don't care as much though now. i just want the game in my hands :PIG:

[The Power]

What about custom soundtrack? I want to hear some of my Fifa 98 Songs in Fifa 09. It is possible? :SS

[LOGANiSE]

According to his post on the EA forums he has a terminally ill wife so perhaps not so lucky :-ll I know where you're coming from of course but felt I should post that to put it into perspective.

I don't understand what does that have anything to do with getting Fifa early? Is that why he mentioned his wife because people were telling him how lucky he was?

[pepper63]

I got 2 copies they're coming on next day,but i got a wedding tomorrow,so sunday it will be one for me one for my son..cain't wait.

[Geefiasco]

Looks as if you start off playing in the reserve team in BAP Seasons (from what i can tell in the new screen shots)

[The Power]

What about custom soundtrack? I want to hear some of my Fifa 98 Songs in Fifa 09. It is possible? :SS

help :-ll

[Sugarray]

Don't you mean 14/10? November sounds like Pro Evo release date.

Well, that's what the GameFAQs says anyway.
Yeah, youre right, but anyway, theres 11 torture days waitinf for this beauty

[LOGANiSE]

Get in contact with the people who got the game early & tell them to come here because they can't speak up on the EA forums.

[winston]

those reviews are all written by morons and I couldnt care less about the ratings

Absolutely, but the danger is that the developers care about what score their game gets. I always fear that they might adjust their philosophy about what direction they want to take the game in the future in order to appease the critics.

Hopefully, EA recognise how idiotic, uninformed and prejudicial IGN are and ignore their reviews.

IGN UK are cunts.

A bit harsh, I say they are merely cocks.

[DaWu]

I just read a review from the maniac (one of the biggest german magazines).
they gave fifa 81% (pes 86% lol). their biggest negative point was that it is not possible to control via digital cross. you are forced to use analog controls. so there is only one conclusion to be made. they didnt even play the fuckin game. if was EA I`d call my lawyer now. last time I bought this crappy magazine full of idiots.

[OPM]

maniac is a stupid, biased kids magazine.

[Disqo]

Found a place seeling this in London....................but they only have PS3 versions............cries