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evacuate
10 September 08, 13:22
Never played the FIFA 08 demo, is the arena in the FIFA demos?

Off topic: BAP in NHL 09 is awesome.

Bitter Rivals
10 September 08, 13:29
Never played the FIFA 08 demo, is the arena in the FIFA demos?

Off topic: BAP in NHL 09 is awesome.

yea since 08

Cammey
10 September 08, 13:33
will there be occurrences of subtle and wild deflections from long distance shots and free kicks off walls that result in freak goals, near misses etc? i havent seen anything that shows this off in gameplay videos

The ball physics are fantastic even in 08 so yes freak goals do occur.

juju123
10 September 08, 13:36
Hi,

Are you sure that wheather (rain and snow) are include in Fifa09 ???

Becoz we never see any video ingame with this.

Ea will forgot this in final build ?

Bitter Rivals
10 September 08, 13:36
Hi,

Are you sure that wheather (rain and snow) are include in Fifa09 ???

Becoz we never see any video ingame with this.

Ea will forgot this in final build ?

they will be in the final build, they have confirmed it

Almost every aspect of FIFA gameplay has been altered or tweaked in some fashion, things that I can think of that I have yet to mention include:

1. Swerve Passes – good players will swerve some through balls to avoid the defender

2. Net Physics – has been tweaked to give a more satisfying bulge and recoil more realistically

3. Ball Physics – Has been tweaked to give more realistic in air behaviour, plus the addition of rain and snow effects

4. Through passes – Have been improved to assist the user and create some spectacular plays

5. Combo dribble turns – skilled players can perfrom very quick, fluid combinations of turns

6. Skill Moves – more responsive also new moves have been added

7. Outside of the foot shots

8. 100s of new Animations

9. Lay-off free-kicks

10. Custom Team Tactics

11. Slide Tackling – improved targeting logic to make them more useful

12. Jockey Pressing – a new feature which allows you to contain a possessor instead of diving into a tackle

13. Player Reactions – players will react to the plays, applauding or criticizing or pointing for passes

14. Referees – refs and linesmen are actually part of the game

15. etc…

Placebo
10 September 08, 13:42
sweet. obviously you can tell i dont play fifa, but ive been told that there's "flood the box" option (from a friend who plays fifa) when you're say 0-1 down and desperately trying to snatch a draw in the dying seconds. im assuming this will be in 09. so when you use flood the box, how many players will do just that?

another query i have is in regards to long throw ins. how effective are they? is there an attribute that dictate which players can execute it?

There's no flood the box option in next gen Fifa08, you could adjust the attacking emphasis on the fly though.

Players do have a long throw stat, and personally I find throw ins work well (although some people complain), the problem is you can't choose who will take your throw in, so even if you have a player with a long throw it could decide that instead Peter Crouch will take the throw instead of trying to get a nice flick on from the throw.........

Placebo, can you mirror that new video?

would be nice :)

The slow mo youtube vid? Sure I just didn't bother cos the quality looked shite :)

Placebo
10 September 08, 13:55
will there be occurrences of subtle and wild deflections from long distance shots and free kicks off walls that result in freak goals, near misses etc? i havent seen anything that shows this off in gameplay videos

Yeah the ball physics engine in Fifa08 was IMO unparalleled in terms of representing the kind of subtle deflections you see in a real football match, it's really light years beyond PES IMO in that regard, I don't have many such replays saved but here's a quite funny goal I scored from a deflection:

YouTube - Fifa 08 Leon Clarke goal v Newcastle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quyungi6U6M)

Bleeders
10 September 08, 14:04
Sounding better and better...


Today was my second day here at the EA studios. The first thing I did was a meeting with the PC FIFA producer Paul Hossack, he told me about all the things they have been doing to this new version, as I have mention before one of the very best features is the new graphic engine that makes the game looks better than ever, it just look amazing.

Another feature is that now when your goalkeeper is on the floor with the ball you can press the sprint button and he stands up really quickly and continues the play so you can make a great counter attack, not like FIFA 08 where you had to wait until the keeper stands up and you loose you chance to make a good play; also a new thing about the keeper is that when he has the ball, you can tap the pass button twice and he will make a fake throw, I think these makes the game more fun.

Another good point is collisions - they now look very realistic. It’s like if the player that has the ball is in a weak position and the defender is running at him and they crash the player with the ball will fall to the floor and the referee will call a fault against the defender. Now the players will protect the ball, like if Adriano has the ball he can protect the ball until he finds free space to create a chance, a thing that for example Messi could not do because he is not as tall or strong like Adriano. The referee is also a new addition to the game and also his assistants; they add lots realism to the game.

After this meeting I kept playing FIFA 09 on the 360 with the EA team and I tried to use the custom tactics a lot, in my next blog I’ll be talking more in deep about it, but as an example y made my team to play with risky passes asking my players to find the sapace across the field, this made my defense to get really crazy and at the end I lost the game 3-0. You can have four different tactics in the game and change them with the D-pad, this is great because you can change your game style in just a second be really defensive or put all your man attacking in just a second. After that we went to eat something.

After the lunch I had a meeting with Christophe Labrune, the Producer responsible of Be A Pro. This year you can play four seasons as a professional player or you can create you very own player, the better you play in your club will make the manager from your country to call you and play internationals games and even you can play the world cup. I think is one of the most interactive and funny features of FIFA and now you can play 10 vs 10 online, if last year playing 5 vs 5 was cool, this will be madness.

Another thing about Be a Pro Seasons is that you can choose to play or simulate the game and each game you gain experience to improve your player skills and each game you have three goals to complete and if you do it you gain more experience some kind of goals are like score two goals in a game, win the game, have a 8.0 or more rating, etc.

After playing a Be a Pro with Christophe it was time to met Sebastian Enrique who is responsible for making some of the new animations of the game. He is from Argentina so I had the chance to talk in Spanish with him.

The game has a lot of new reactions, the players now ask you for the ball when they see an open space or when you send them to a run, if they are close to you the ask you for the ball with their hands down this looks pretty cool, also the defenders when they are about to get a counter attack they ask the other defenders to return to their positions, now when you hit a player he can get mad or also if you miss a good chance in a very important moment the other forward scream at you.

The referee assistants also react to an offside play and the defenders to they ask the referee with their hands up to call the offside. After Sebastian showed me all the reactions in the game we talk about soccer, he told me he is a huge fan of the team Tigres back in Argentina.

After the meeting I had the chance to play the PS3 version for the first time, I felt the game faster maybe is because I am used to play on the PS3 but I felt like the players respond very quick, I just played one game but I hope to give you more details soon. Well that was the end of the day for me here at EA, on my next blog I will be talking more about the Custom Tactics.

Ozkar
10 September 08, 14:14
Does anyone know if you can switch clubs in BAP season mode? I believe I've read something about that somewhere. That you may start your career at a smaller club and if you're good bigger clubs will want to buy you.

Bump!

I'm pretty sure I did read something about this... But maybe it was in the early stages?

kellex
10 September 08, 14:17
Am I the only one who keeps checking x-box live in case the demo pops up by mistake? :ROLL:

Placebo
10 September 08, 14:20
check out this video!!! slowmo ingame footage...really good

http://lusofifa.blogspot.com/2008/09/novo-vdeo-fifa09-replays-ingame.html

Ok I cleaned this up as best I could, cut out the frame, tweaked the colours, sharpened, doubled size and bitrate:

Dailymotion - FIFA_09_Review_Replays_INGAME, a video from Placebo_SG. Fifa, 09, 360, xbox (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6pnxj_fifa09reviewreplaysingame_videogames)

Jack's posting it to FSB as well :)

DagsJT
10 September 08, 14:21
Another thing about Be a Pro Seasons is that you can choose to play or simulate the game and each game you gain experience to improve your player skills and each game you have three goals to complete and if you do it you gain more experience some kind of goals are like score two goals in a game, win the game, have a 8.0 or more rating, etc.

Confirmed :((

we talk about soccer, he told me he is a huge fan of the team Tigres back in Argentina.

Tigres are in Mexico though?

juju123
10 September 08, 14:28
Quote:
Another thing about Be a Pro Seasons is that you can choose to play or simulate the game and each game you gain experience to improve your player skills and each game you have three goals to complete and if you do it you gain more experience some kind of goals are like score two goals in a game, win the game, have a 8.0 or more rating, etc.

Confirmed


U doesnt like this ? why ?


__________________

Placebo
10 September 08, 14:29
Because some of the goals are stupid things like "have three shots", "Don't be offside" really contrived stuff which is extremely immature and silly.

juju123
10 September 08, 14:33
Because some of the goals are stupid things like "have three shots", "Don't be offside" really contrived stuff which is extremely immature and silly.

Do you think if cups are in Beapro seasons ? (fa cup, copa del rey etc..)

Placebo
10 September 08, 14:34
No idea

DagsJT
10 September 08, 14:39
Because some of the goals are stupid things like "have three shots", "Don't be offside" really contrived stuff which is extremely immature and silly.

What he said.

I want to play the match how I want to play it, not how the game tries to dictate my play.

final lap
10 September 08, 15:01
check out this video!!! slowmo ingame footage...really good

http://lusofifa.blogspot.com/2008/09/novo-vdeo-fifa09-replays-ingame.html

Fantastic video. This game will be inmense!!!

Jamezinho
10 September 08, 15:01
that video was tasty , Im gonna abuse that demo when i get it .

Let's just say, no stone will be left unturned when I test the new collision system. A few reducers should put it through it's paces.

AsterNzeyii
10 September 08, 15:01
Bump!

I'm pretty sure I did read something about this... But maybe it was in the early stages?

Yeah I saw it too ... I think it was in the FIFA 09 Presentation vid shown at the Leipzig GC, the part were they gave some info about BAP.

Shooto
10 September 08, 15:02
Because some of the goals are stupid things like "have three shots", "Don't be offside" really contrived stuff which is extremely immature and silly.

Our manager tells us to get as many shots on target as possible during a game so I dont think that is a daft target. Also staying onside is advisable too :-)

Blaccat
10 September 08, 15:06
What he said.

I want to play the match how I want to play it, not how the game tries to dictate my play.
Yes its real irritating, i played the PS2 version and its annoying but u still get experience points tho not just as much as u would if u completed the goals

jflores
10 September 08, 15:27
Interesting about the PS3 version's speed being faster. Makes me question why the PS3 version always differs from the 360 in games.

Blaccat
10 September 08, 15:40
Interesting about the PS3 version's speed being faster. Makes me question why the PS3 version always differs from the 360 in games.
it depends on the game speed the user selected in the game settings

Slow-Normal-Fast

DagsJT
10 September 08, 15:41
I think people intentionally look for differences and can sometimes fool themselves into thinking SOMETHING is different.

miguel.
10 September 08, 15:42
The slow motion video is impressive. This game is looking so damn good, can't wait for tomorrow (hopefully the LHC won't have killed us by then). :DD

Chris Davies
10 September 08, 15:44
FIFA 09 NEW FEATURE: FIFA 09 CLUBS (http://www.fifasoccerblog.com/)

May have been mentioned in here already but this is the full, official annoucement.

Blaccat
10 September 08, 15:45
I think people intentionally look for differences and can sometimes fool themselves into thinking SOMETHING is different.
Exactly

DagsJT
10 September 08, 15:48
Up to 10 players on a Club can participate in a single game and Clubs are able to play multiple games simultaneously if they wish.

That's a good feature.

Also nice to see the demo has a few teams in it.

winston
10 September 08, 15:49
Bump!

Anyone know for sure what time the PS3 demo is likely to be released on Thursday?

Am I right in saying it's usually the same time every week that they do an update - 6pm GMT or something?

Milanista
10 September 08, 15:52
Might take tomorrow afternoon off :))

Edit: Booked it off, afternoon of FIFA demo for me then :))

What if its out at 9pm?

Chris Davies
10 September 08, 15:55
On the 360 it should be out by 12 noon (BST) at the latest. I'm hopeful that it will be on at 9am - I've seen demos appear earlier than that and as FIFA is a big big game... Here's hoping.

It will be later on PSN though, in the evening I think.

miguel.
10 September 08, 15:56
Yeah, Winston. I'd say it will be available between 4-7PM.

Cammey
10 September 08, 15:57
I don't start my new job until Monday so I will be up early tomorrow.

I will be downloading both the 360 and PS3 demo's so I will notify you of any differences. :))

winston
10 September 08, 15:58
On the 360 it should be out by 12 noon (BST) at the latest. I'm hopeful that it will be on at 9am - I've seen demos appear earlier than that and as FIFA is a big big game... Here's hoping.

It will be later on PSN though, in the evening I think.

What a b*st*rd!

Not you, Chris...well...no, not you.

airjoca
10 September 08, 16:10
Goddamn it, everytime I check the Marketplace and I see two "09"s there, my heart stops, and then the eyes see "NBA" and "NHL"... :(

BobbyBox
10 September 08, 16:11
Everytime I go there I see '69' then my heart races!!! then I realise its jsut a '0' and not a '6' :((

Jamie LUFC
10 September 08, 16:19
FIFA 08 demo was on the marketplace around 8:45am (BST) last year, i'm pretty sure it was anyway.

Blaccat
10 September 08, 16:21
What a b*st*rd!

Not you, Chris...well...no, not you.
Latest by 4pm Uk time

If they are happy and the guy in charge happens to get laid 9am

But that has only happened a few times, SCEE are dead stupid

wan_d7
10 September 08, 16:21
oh..i keep looking in the ps store. i'm going crazy by now. :LOL:

Bitter Rivals
10 September 08, 16:24
FIFA 08 demo was on the marketplace around 8:45am (BST) last year, i'm pretty sure it was anyway.

unfortunatly it wasn't
Availability: Only in Australia, Canada, Hong Kong, Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, United States*
Posted: Sep 13 2007, 10:06 AM by Major Nelson

look
http://majornelson.com/archive/2007/09/13/demo-fifa-08-demo.aspx

we didn't get a sniff in europe until later in the evening i recall?

kouroux
10 September 08, 16:24
I'm worried that the game will be too fast ala PES style which is something I really really hated .The speed in FIFA 08 is perfect for me tbh and i'm mentionning because in every video i've watched it seemed that FIFA 2009 will be quicker than previous versions

wan_d7
10 September 08, 16:26
oh...i've counted,if it's out 9 am UK time,means i gotta wait till tomorrow afternoon....... oh nooooooooooooooooo!!

Placebo
10 September 08, 16:27
unfortunatly it wasn't
Availability: Only in Australia, Canada, Hong Kong, Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, United States*
Posted: Sep 13 2007, 10:06 AM by Major Nelson

look
http://majornelson.com/archive/2007/09/13/demo-fifa-08-demo.aspx

we didn't get a sniff in europe until later in the evening i recall?

Yeah but I taught everyone how to make Singapore accounts so it was all good ;)

Blaccat
10 September 08, 16:30
oh..i keep looking in the ps store. i'm going crazy by now. :LOL:
Dnt worry the game wont be up a sec earlier than its suppose to, start checking from 12noon uk time 2mrrw

Americans create an EU psn account now

BillyBoy
10 September 08, 16:31
Just played the last games of FIFA 08, PES 2008 and the UEFA Euro 2008 demo. Im going to go and trade in both FIFA and PES and delete the Euro 08 demo in anticipation of FIFA 09 tommorow. :)

wan_d7
10 September 08, 16:32
i'm Malaysian,just created my eu psn yesterday. if it's up earlier in Singapore means we gotta make a Singapore psn?

adelante
10 September 08, 16:35
That's a good feature.

Yeah that's what I've been waiting to hear more info about. Good to know you can have multiple games from the same club running simultaneously, which I assume simply means a different set of up to ten players playing another game. So I guess you can have multiple managers in a club? :THINK:

evacuate
10 September 08, 16:38
I'm worried that the game will be too fast ala PES style which is something I really really hated .The speed in FIFA 08 is perfect for me tbh and i'm mentionning because in every video i've watched it seemed that FIFA 2009 will be quicker than previous versions

It will probably feel faster because of the response times and new trapping system.

Blaccat
10 September 08, 16:46
Rooney - 89?
Torres - 88?
hmmmmmmmmm

Bitter Rivals
10 September 08, 16:47
Rooney - 89?
Torres - 88?
hmmmmmmmmm

yea shocking that

kouroux
10 September 08, 16:49
It will probably feel faster because of the response times and new trapping system.

Yeah that's what worries me as long as it doesn't get too unrealistic but i guess i'll have to wait to get the game.

jonneymendoza
10 September 08, 17:00
GREAT NEWS
Default Demo may NOT come out tomorrow!
Just posted on CVG:

News: FIFA 09 demo out tomorrow - http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=196863

EA's David Rutter has confirmed that the demo of FIFA 09 should hit PS3 and 360 tomorrow, September 11.

"There is a Demo coming to both consoles in early September, the 11th to be precise," said Rutter, although he went on to warn: "it could slip a week or two."

He didn't confirm exactly what would be in the demo, but we'd expect half a match with two pre-determined teams, like usual.

Bitter Rivals
10 September 08, 17:05
shame i wont get to play it until later in the day

:S

reddevils
10 September 08, 17:05
how is that great news? :|

Bitter Rivals
10 September 08, 17:10
how is that great news? :|

it is old news with an old quote

but it is confirming it will be out tomoro and not pushed back a week or two as first quoted (which is weeks/months old)

it will be out tomoro

kouroux
10 September 08, 17:30
Rooney - 89?
Torres - 88?
hmmmmmmmmm

Being a United fan,I would even admit Torres is better than Rooney

reddevils
10 September 08, 17:43
i think as an overall ratings it isnt thaqt wrong

sure Torres is faster and has alot better finishing but Rooney has better technique, passing, vision and work rate

gameklip
10 September 08, 18:03
i agree with reddevils. Torres goes missing in games until he pops up and scores. Rooney is constantly running, tackling, and passing which means by the time he gets a chance, he's knackered. sometimes he doesn't make it in the box. (his problem for england).

Geefiasco
10 September 08, 18:03
i think as an overall ratings it isnt thaqt wrong

sure Torres is faster and has alot better finishing but Rooney has better technique, passing, vision and work rate
Exactly. Not to mention better tackling, shot power etc...

winston
10 September 08, 18:06
...and Torres looks like a girl

Dusse
10 September 08, 18:10
...and Rooney is on the cover

wan_d7
10 September 08, 18:17
...and Rooney looks like a big baby with diapers. :LOL:

Sugarray
10 September 08, 18:17
Rooney - 89?
Torres - 88?
hmmmmmmmmm

Where??????????

kobashi
10 September 08, 18:18
I hope I get my instruction booklet and tools to fix my xbox tomorrow. gonna be tough reading everybody going crazy about it while my machine is dead.. :(

airjoca
10 September 08, 18:19
i think as an overall ratings it isnt thaqt wrong

sure Torres is faster and has alot better finishing but Rooney has better technique, passing, vision and work rate

Spot on. Anyway, it will be irrelevant, both players are great. I wonder what Ronaldo's stats will be...

evacuate
10 September 08, 18:33
It's so annoying see people whine about overall ratings. They should remove it and only have all the individual ratings like manager games has.

People always whine about Ibra because they don't understand that he got pretty high values not because he's a super finisher, but because he's got great technique, tall and strong, amazing vision and so on. There's a reason that Mourinho pretty much said he fell in love with him on the first training at Inter.

Anyways... demo is soon out!
Off to see Zlatan run over Hungary. Hopefully.

Jake_Hazuki
10 September 08, 18:47
Seeing as some people know the ratings of some players, does anyone know the ratings of
Totti
Aquilani &
De Rossi?

Thanks.

gameklip
10 September 08, 18:48
fifa clubs sounds amazing.

its clearly the future of online football games.

you can get transfer offers to better clubs if you get scouted etc.

jesus.

this is the best footy game out there for my money. wow.

jonneymendoza
10 September 08, 19:13
fifa 09 DEMO IS OUT........























But for the pc LOL :LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:

wan_d7
10 September 08, 19:29
shit johnny... :LOL:
but,huh? pc's? isn't it 12th?

jonneymendoza
10 September 08, 19:39
check the pc fifa thread. there is a direct link there, im downloading it now

wan_d7
10 September 08, 19:41
thanks dude.

CW
10 September 08, 21:24
Ahem, this is the FIFA thread boys...

Sugarray
10 September 08, 21:25
check the pc fifa thread. there is a direct link there, im downloading it now
joke?

hanakuka
10 September 08, 21:28
Ahem, this is the FIFA thread boys...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/alotofbullsh_t/Cartoons/Sorry1.jpg

sorry

DagsJT
10 September 08, 21:31
:lmao:

LOGANiSE
10 September 08, 21:31
joke?

No?

hanakuka
10 September 08, 21:39
quick question about the online clubs can members of the same club play against eachother for training purposes?

Dr Force
10 September 08, 21:50
Not long now and I am looking forward to having a dabble.

Promised myself not to play it o death though;))

Chris Davies
10 September 08, 21:54
As historic as England's win was (and it may never be repeated), please don't take the thread off-topic lads or there will be warnings handed out to those involved. Not everyone will have seen the match yet for starters.

Not long now and I am looking forward to having a dabble.

Promised myself not to play it o death though;))
I know if I play it to death I'll ruin the full game, but we both know that's one very difficult promise to keep...

hanakuka
10 September 08, 21:54
Not long now and I am looking forward to having a dabble.

Promised myself not to play it o death though;))

i'm gonna play it to death ressurect it and play to death some more:DD

Rob92
10 September 08, 21:55
Not long now and I am looking forward to having a dabble.

Promised myself not to play it o death though;))That'll be an extremely hard promise to keep... :DD.

Dr Force
10 September 08, 21:59
:-pp lol i know what you mean fella's but I think I would just rather practice the shooting, skills and dead balls in the arena than hammer the match.

Last year sort of ruined the wow factor for me so I will keep my promise:SS

Dr Force
10 September 08, 22:03
Oh I forgot to mention.

It aint half going to look good on my 92" screen through my 1080p PJ:w00t::DD

hanakuka
10 September 08, 22:05
show off:-pp

SXFuzz
10 September 08, 22:30
yeah, look at other arena videos

that may be the case but, in this particular video, the adidas logo is part of the net.

Blaccat
10 September 08, 22:41
that may be the case but, in this particular video, the adidas logo is part of the net.
Yea, i watched it again and u guys are right

danhammer
10 September 08, 22:41
Oh I forgot to mention.

It aint half going to look good on my 92" screen through my 1080p PJ:w00t::DD

92 inches!! are you trying to make up for something else dr force? :-)

wan_d7
10 September 08, 22:42
i want a demo now! :LOL: johnny, have you install the pc version? how is it?

Coopz
10 September 08, 22:44
Oh I forgot to mention.

It aint half going to look good on my 92" screen through my 1080p PJ:w00t::DD

What PJ you got?

Im upgrading mine and am looking for options :))

lons_pl
10 September 08, 22:45
i want a demo now! :LOL: johnny, have you install the pc version? how is it?
My friend played and said that its a big crap game.

Chris Davies
10 September 08, 22:46
My friend played and said that its a big crap game.
What a coincidence that your friend said that when you have a signature like yours, hmmm...

lons_pl
10 September 08, 22:49
What a coincidence that your friend said that when you have a signature like yours, hmmm...
Ok but this is my sig not his:-pp

wan_d7
10 September 08, 22:52
yeah i wonder. with that "not turning back statement", maybe i wait others to tell, or after i finish download myself. even though it really a crap,but not as crap as before,i hope.

Cammey
10 September 08, 22:59
The PC version is always crap tho so It's no big deal to me.

mjsmith2k
10 September 08, 23:12
Is the demo a midnight release chaps?

Placebo
10 September 08, 23:20
Well thanks everyone for ruining the England match for me, won't be as enjoyable to watch it tomorrow now :(

Chris Davies
10 September 08, 23:22
Is the demo a midnight release chaps?
No way. I've seen Marketplace get updated between 8am and noon (GMT/BST), so I would bet it'll be 9am or 10am when we see it.

Jamezinho
10 September 08, 23:22
So what's the general consensus on the XBL release time tomorrow?

EDIT: Just seen Mr Bauer's post.

gameklip
10 September 08, 23:23
can't wait for the demo btw. hope they get it out @@ 1am or something.

placenbo: which channel is showing it tomorrow? don't setanta have it all?

mjsmith2k
10 September 08, 23:25
Cheers Chris

SXFuzz
10 September 08, 23:31
What a coincidence that your friend said that when you have a signature like yours, hmmm...

I read it as "FIFA is a shit nicely wraped" due to the bad spelling.

Blaccat
10 September 08, 23:33
Well thanks everyone for ruining the England match for me, won't be as enjoyable to watch it tomorrow now :(
oops


Ursakta polare

hanakuka
10 September 08, 23:49
Ok but this is my sig not his:-pp

the spelling made me laugh so i stole his sig and changed the games around :-pp

Placebo
10 September 08, 23:53
placenbo: which channel is showing it tomorrow? don't setanta have it all?

World Wide Web :)

gameklip
10 September 08, 23:57
lol, cool.

i'll leave it there mods.





...f*ck setanta. :))

Jamezinho
11 September 08, 00:06
the spelling made me laugh so i stole his sig and changed the games around :-pp

You spelt 'wrapped' correctly.

Must try harder.

hanakuka
11 September 08, 00:07
link for the pc demo
http://www.gamershell.com/news_59664.html

hanakuka
11 September 08, 00:08
You spelt 'wrapped' correctly.

Must try harder.

dam my speling must knot get bettar

andish2001
11 September 08, 00:08
no worries, create a new account and you should get 1 month gold for free :) download the demo and then you can access it on any profile

:D:D

Happy Day!

Im in Aus...is it released at a different time here?

IIRC the 08 demo was up for me before half of you fellas got it.

wan_d7
11 September 08, 00:16
what time is it now at UK? it's 7.13 am here. i'm so tired.

Blaccat
11 September 08, 00:19
what time is it now at UK? it's 7.13 am here. i'm so tired.
Thursday, 00:20

Beattie
11 September 08, 00:22
Annoyingly I am working 12.30-9.30 tomorrow so hopefully it's released early morning so I can get a couple of hours in before work.

I can't believe it's been a year since the last one.. I distinctly remember Placebo instructing folk on how to get a foreign profile to get it early etc.

evogerman10
11 September 08, 00:30
If each clan is based on a real team and you have to use a player based on a real one, at the same time you can have up to 50 players in the squad. Then it will be a lot of Rauls on the field at the same time.
I really cant see this as being the case, even though this is how you can read the article on IGN. Ive read the answer several times, but its really a very strange answer.

They basically say that we all use players at the same level, and it is not possible to level up. That doesnt have to mean that every attribute is the same for all players. I hope they really mean that it is the overall attribute level that is equal for every player. The overall attribute level that is a number in fifa today (for instance Fabregas has overall 88). That again translates into a certain amount of attribute points that is divided on the different attributes.
It will pretty dull if all players is equally fast and strong. I would think that the player creation for clans is similar to the player creation in CYC.

EA will hopefully release better info in the near future.

THERE ARE GOING TO BE 50 PLAYERS IN THE SQUAD BUT ONLY THE FIRST TEN TO CONNECT GETS TO PLAY. SO THIS MEANS THAT NO ONE HAS A DESIGNATED PLAYER UNTIL THE MATCH IS ABOUT TO START

Slobber
11 September 08, 00:41
Absolutely no desire to play the new PES, very excited over Fifa 09. Hope they've worked on the control when the ball is in the air though. Reason I didn't buy 08

Nick Cave
11 September 08, 01:04
In a pickle do I play the Demo and then can't stand to go back to 08? Still a while till the full game?

andish2001
11 September 08, 01:18
Why is it released in UK time?

When they say Sept 11th, it should mean sept.11.

Its 10:18am here in melbourne, meaning if it gets released at 9 UK time that will be at 7 2night. :| I have an exam tomorrow.

Buzzyhead
11 September 08, 01:22
hey guys you can download it now on gamershell.2 words for the demo oh dear!!!

gameklip
11 September 08, 01:27
please take that to the PC thread. thanks.

evogerman10
11 September 08, 01:28
Hi,

Are you sure that wheather (rain and snow) are include in Fifa09 ???

Becoz we never see any video ingame with this.

Ea will forgot this in final build ?

the official trailer shows raining.

santiago
11 September 08, 01:32
I don't have my XBOX connected to LIVE so, I won't be able to dowload the demo :( ...
It will be so hard to see all the post here of people who are already playing fifa 09 :( ...

evogerman10
11 September 08, 01:40
Confirmed :((



Tigres are in Mexico though?

there is a team in argentina called tigres

Blaccat
11 September 08, 02:14
am going to bed, whoever has a japanese account on psn, monitor them fuckers they update at random times

Sugarray
11 September 08, 02:16
I don't have my XBOX connected to LIVE so, I won't be able to dowload the demo :( ...
It will be so hard to see all the post here of people who are already playing fifa 09 :( ...
Our hope is the torrents... :(

wan_d7
11 September 08, 02:18
Why is it released in UK time?

When they say Sept 11th, it should mean sept.11.

Its 10:18am here in melbourne, meaning if it gets released at 9 UK time that will be at 7 2night. :| I have an exam tomorrow.

and it will be probably 5 or 6 pm here. i can't wait any longer. play myself euro 2008 demo. ahhh.. if only i have hdtv. is it because of the lcd monitor make my player looks ugly? looks like they are tearing all over with jaggy jagg.

pepper63
11 September 08, 02:44
It's showing Rooney in inside xbox but say's not availible yet. Viva la FIFA; 09 demo makes first team.

Keez
11 September 08, 04:08
Screens 1440x900 great fifa 09:)

http://s8.directupload.net/images/080911/temp/cfwj3g39.png (http://s8.directupload.net/file/d/1549/cfwj3g39_png.htm)
http://s5.directupload.net/images/080911/temp/ew9an29a.png (http://s5.directupload.net/file/d/1549/ew9an29a_png.htm)
http://s7.directupload.net/images/080911/temp/clq2tl79.png (http://s7.directupload.net/file/d/1549/clq2tl79_png.htm)

embraceuk1
11 September 08, 04:10
It's showing Rooney in inside xbox but say's not availible yet. Viva la FIFA; 09 demo makes first team.

Yep says demo is live on the Uk and Europe xbox live Marketplace but link leads you to a dead page

gameklip
11 September 08, 04:19
what a cocktease.

watching the Argentina game though. i don't mind.

red_devils2k4
11 September 08, 04:29
bring that demo. i never been so hyped like this about a fifa demo

embraceuk1
11 September 08, 04:35
Nothing on the usa marketplace might be up midnight EST that is in 20 mins but i doubt it, i expect it to go live around 2-3am here midnight PST

red_devils2k4
11 September 08, 04:38
Does anyone knows wat time is the australian psn usually get updated?

Blaccat
11 September 08, 04:42
Be a pro - 10 v 10 interview

http://uk.gamespot.com/xbox360/sports/fifasoccer09/video/6197536

rickyricc
11 September 08, 04:47
I just hope that they have the following on the demo:
- A decent difficulty setting.. Not crappy Semi pro, either have at least pro or one lower setting and one higher setting..
- 4 Min halfs.. I know they said a full game but i hope thats not 2 X 2, its just not long enough..
- I would also like to see like 2 weather settings.. Maybe Rain and Sunny or snow and sunny etc.. This way they could show the effects to us without revealing to much..
And thats about it.. Looking forward to it.. Tomz afternoon couldn't come soon enough!!

Pozzati
11 September 08, 05:36
Guess it's the same as in the PC Demo. Then there's semi pro, 2 minutes halves x2 (full game).

Lami
11 September 08, 07:40
2 minute halves? FGS...

andish2001
11 September 08, 07:59
Wasnt it supposed to be out around now?

Placebo
11 September 08, 08:04
2 minute halves? FGS...

Yep complete and utter shite that, I play 2x10 mins in manager mode, I'm barely gonna feel like I've kicked off :(

Placebo
11 September 08, 08:05
Wasnt it supposed to be out around now?

More like 10am-12pm GMT at best guess.

DagsJT
11 September 08, 08:16
2 min halves again?? Why? What's the reason behind that? :SHAKE:

Placebo
11 September 08, 08:19
Moronicity.

RockyJJP
11 September 08, 08:23
GRRRRRRRRRRRR, I can't take the waiting. I so hope it's not 2x2 min, they did say it would be longer than the PC demo and the NHL demo was 5 min halves. so here's hoping. first game for me real vs chelsea, can't wait

FlawlessCowboy
11 September 08, 08:24
Eagerly awaiting...

I hope it comes out prior to 9:10AM! After that I'm leaving for college and I'd much rather have it downloading while I'm there :)

andish2001
11 September 08, 08:24
More like 10am-12pm GMT at best guess.

Well thats just crap. Means its released at 11pm here. Then I sleep and have exam in the morning :MAD: so i dont get to play it until tomorrow afternoon!

BTW is major nelson based in UK or US?

Jamie LUFC
11 September 08, 08:29
Will definetley be available today. If you go to Inside Xbox, it confirms it there.

Unfortunatley the link to download, doesn't work just yet, as the game has not been uploaded yet.

Placebo
11 September 08, 08:30
BTW is major nelson based in UK or US?

US.

Milanista
11 September 08, 08:32
2 minute halves!? Oh come on EA!

RockyJJP
11 September 08, 08:39
2 minute halves!? Oh come on EA!

That's not for sure yet, there is still hope that it could be longer.

sweetkilla
11 September 08, 08:46
Yeah not fact until we get it in our hands

wan_d7
11 September 08, 08:57
even 2 minutes half, when i play the demo on pc, i feel the match is quite longer, and i feel i had more time than euro2008. hopefully it is more longer,like NHL09.
anyone know how to do the :-$ celebration? what to press and the timing. i wanna try it out on euro demo. that;s i've been playing while waiting for fifa09. :-$

DagsJT
11 September 08, 08:58
there is a team in argentina called tigres

I stand corrected :LOL::blush:

Elber
11 September 08, 09:01
oh god, I hope I can download the demo by torrent or something because I have no access to Xbox live :(

RockyJJP
11 September 08, 09:02
How big do you think the demo will be, NHL 09 was 700MB I think, and I think Euro 2008 was about the same. Hopefullyn less than 1GB

Primepost
11 September 08, 09:04
just played the demo on very high settings im gonna ring fifa to stop making soccer games what sought of football is that???? the players look drunk and on drugs pathetic passes and shots it took me 2 hours to download and 15 sec to play and exit hahaah im not kidding man pls people i recommend pes 2008 for now no bullshit.

DagsJT
11 September 08, 09:06
just played the demo on very high settings im gonna ring fifa to stop making soccer games what sought of football is that???? the players look drunk and on drugs pathetic passes and shots it took me 2 hours to download and 15 sec to play and exit hahaah im not kidding man pls people i recommend pes 2008 for now no bullshit.

:ROLL:

andish2001
11 September 08, 09:06
I'm sorry?

You are a disgrace to melburnians.

RockyJJP
11 September 08, 09:07
just played the demo on very high settings im gonna ring fifa to stop making soccer games what sought of football is that???? the players look drunk and on drugs pathetic passes and shots it took me 2 hours to download and 15 sec to play and exit hahaah im not kidding man pls people i recommend pes 2008 for now no bullshit.

Obviously, your talking about the PC demo.

tobi
11 September 08, 09:08
NeoGAF are saying that the demo will be up on the store at 12pm.

Placebo
11 September 08, 09:12
just played the demo on very high settings im gonna ring fifa to stop making soccer games what sought of football is that???? the players look drunk and on drugs pathetic passes and shots it took me 2 hours to download and 15 sec to play and exit hahaah im not kidding man pls people i recommend pes 2008 for now no bullshit.

Took me 5 mins and 6 seconds to download, but you're still in the wrong thread.......

wan_d7
11 September 08, 09:13
NeoGAF are saying that the demo will be up on the store at 12pm.

UK? US? Aus?

placebo: are you using fiber optic? damn that was fast. i wish to stay at Sweden now :LOL:

robablade
11 September 08, 09:15
whens it coming out on xbox live

tobi
11 September 08, 09:15
WILL GO UP AT NOON THURSDAY EUROPE TIME!

Link (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=334774)

Trance_Allstar
11 September 08, 09:17
Took me 5 mins and 6 seconds to download, but you're still in the wrong thread.......


And thus we can conclude, Sweden is roughly 24 times better than Australia. At least...

red_devils2k4
11 September 08, 09:18
come on just put that demo up!!!! im going insane waiting for it

Placebo
11 September 08, 09:19
And thus we can conclude, Sweden is roughly 24 times better than Australia. At least...

Having spent January 07 in Australia I can say Sweden is more like 24,000 times better than Australia ;)

lons_pl
11 September 08, 09:20
Everybody waiting for the demo!!!!!

red_devils2k4
11 September 08, 09:21
it took me 7 minute and im in australia. he must have a crappy internet.

Trance_Allstar
11 September 08, 09:26
it took me 7 minute and im in australia. he must have a crappy internet.


My calculations... All my work... ruined.......




RUUUINED! ](*,)

fantomas23
11 September 08, 09:27
There's no flood the box option in next gen Fifa08, you could adjust the attacking emphasis on the fly though.

Players do have a long throw stat, and personally I find throw ins work well (although some people complain), the problem is you can't choose who will take your throw in, so even if you have a player with a long throw it could decide that instead Peter Crouch will take the throw instead of trying to get a nice flick on from the throw.........


you're joking? surely they have rectified the problem for 09 and implemented the ability to select the desired thrower. surely.........

Treetopp
11 September 08, 09:28
THERE ARE GOING TO BE 50 PLAYERS IN THE SQUAD BUT ONLY THE FIRST TEN TO CONNECT GETS TO PLAY. SO THIS MEANS THAT NO ONE HAS A DESIGNATED PLAYER UNTIL THE MATCH IS ABOUT TO START

Im not telling you that you are wrong. Im wrote that I think the answer is strange, and I hope what you say is not the case. The talk about teams can (I say can) relate to BAP seasons and that people that play bap seasons on stronger teams, will raise their stats quicker. Hence giving them an edge online statswise. To get rid of the problem, they disable the ability to take your grown stats online. Then again I dont know. It might be that I hope so strongly that it gets me to read the answer in an other way.

Placebo
11 September 08, 09:28
you're joking? surely they have rectified the problem for 09 and implemented the ability to select the desired thrower. surely.........

Well I haven't played Fifa09 yet so have no idea.

red_devils2k4
11 September 08, 09:30
My calculations... All my work... ruined.......




RUUUINED! ](*,)

u will forget about it as soon as the demo is out

Trance_Allstar
11 September 08, 09:32
u will forget about it as soon as the demo is out

;)

Actually I am not a 360/PS3 owner, so I will depend on my dearly beloved brother for some FIFA09 time in the weekend hopefully. :)


The PC version Demo was nicer than 08, but since I have WE9:LE installed...

hanakuka
11 September 08, 09:33
Everybody waiting for the demo!!!!!

yeah trying my best to be patient:DANCE:

Jamezinho
11 September 08, 09:37
even 2 minutes half, when i play the demo on pc, i feel the match is quite longer, and i feel i had more time than euro2008. hopefully it is more longer,like NHL09.
anyone know how to do the :-$ celebration? what to press and the timing. i wanna try it out on euro demo. that;s i've been playing while waiting for fifa09. :-$

Hey mate, watch this:

YouTube - UEFA EURO 2008 - celebrations tutorial (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Mne7jQnm44k)

Chris Davies
11 September 08, 09:37
WE WANT THE FIFA DEMO! WE WANT THE FIFA DEMO!

winston
11 September 08, 09:40
WILL GO UP AT NOON THURSDAY EUROPE TIME! Link (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=334774)

That's 11am UK time. Just over one hour.

I bet the servers overload and crash.

jonneymendoza
11 September 08, 09:48
HOW MANY are at home ready to download the demo though? bet hardly any as u should be in school or work!

Chris Davies
11 September 08, 09:50
HOW MANY are at home ready to download the demo though? bet hardly any as u should be in school or work!
This is the 21st century, if you don't work from home you're an idiot. ;)

lionel_messias
11 September 08, 09:52
This is the 21st century, if you don't work from home you're an idiot. ;)

I'll drink to that! Although some of my collegues are not really allowed to, so some jealously may creep in.

jonneymendoza
11 September 08, 09:54
This is the 21st century, if you don't work from home you're an idiot. ;)

mate tell me about it. i want my next job to allow me to work from home. only way to do that is to do freelance stuff or beg my boss to allow me to work from home especialy in my line of work!

what do u work has mate? btw, i heard your heading off to africa to fight them terrorists in a epic feature length movie :-pp

proudy99
11 September 08, 10:00
Played PC demo, feels very polished and quite a lot of pre pro evo 5 feel to it. Lot of buttons to get used to, but thats typical fifa. I am rather impressed and I have really not liked/played the fifa series at lengh since 98-99.

Graphics are rather good, cheat a bit with goal replay. blur/soften them them to make them look better.
found (shooting)free kicks rather easy!?
Playing control stil isnt a fluent an PES but not far off now.

I may have to invest in a copy of this once released. Cant wait to see how PES compares.

janneblaffa
11 September 08, 10:00
check this out!!! awesome juggling skills in fifa 09!

YouTube - Fifa 09 Juggling Skills Tutorial HQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q83QXzvZXvw)

Placebo
11 September 08, 10:02
Demo is out!

WEtongelre
11 September 08, 10:04
Finally! I'm at school till 18:00 in the evening :(

cowden_harley
11 September 08, 10:04
cheers on what format?

Placebo
11 September 08, 10:04
25% complete :)

Xbox 360 UK Marketplace. (Haven't checked my Asia account yet)

Scorpio
11 September 08, 10:05
360

Bingham67
11 September 08, 10:07
Downloading :DD

WEtongelre
11 September 08, 10:07
Not on PSN?

ryan437
11 September 08, 10:07
not on PSN as yet :'(

tobi
11 September 08, 10:08
HOW MANY are at home ready to download the demo though? bet hardly any as u should be in school or work!

I'm ready, I don't go back to Uni until October 6th.

cowden_harley
11 September 08, 10:08
bastard!!! This is the ONLY time I regret not having my 360 any more

Geefiasco
11 September 08, 10:09
Sony behind, as usual :brick: idiots!

Chris Davies
11 September 08, 10:09
PSN at 11am or 12 noon if you believe the rumour posted earlier on.

Downloading!

ryan437
11 September 08, 10:10
*sigh*another 1-2 wait

Placebo
11 September 08, 10:11
70% ;)

ryan437
11 September 08, 10:13
70% ;)

nice connection working ;))

Placebo
11 September 08, 10:14
Finished!

LemonJelly
11 September 08, 10:14
What size is the download for the demo?

kevano22
11 September 08, 10:14
40% for me :lol:

Size: 740.11mb

Will have some videos up throughout the day :)

cowden_harley
11 September 08, 10:14
placebo for us who are in a delayed state could you possibly pot up an initial quick impression before absorbing yourself completely in the game please

airjoca
11 September 08, 10:16
10% after 3m, 27m remaining I guess... :)

lons_pl
11 September 08, 10:18
35% complete

Placebo
11 September 08, 10:18
2x2 min halves confirmed :(

Can change the game speed in the demo which is nice!

Controlled Ronny in the arena for 30 seconds or so, he moves reallllly fast....

Placebo
11 September 08, 10:20
Gonna play me Chelsea v Toronto on Pro, will come back with feedback :)

airjoca
11 September 08, 10:20
This is the day we've all been waiting for. I hope everyone enjoys the demo and that we all get even more excited in anticipation of the final game. :)

Jamezinho
11 September 08, 10:21
Yeah, have fun guys.:))

winston
11 September 08, 10:22
Size: 740.11mb


oh well, at least it's reasonably small for my crummy 2mbit connection

come on Sony, release the blasted thing!

wan_d7
11 September 08, 10:23
yeah...but i'm on ps3. i want the demo... +(

airjoca
11 September 08, 10:24
My friendlist: "Xbox360 Menu" on all of them, wonder what they're doing... :lol:

wan_d7
11 September 08, 10:25
when? when? shit..placebo, how is it? wat ya feel man?

Jamezinho
11 September 08, 10:26
Downloaded!

juju123
11 September 08, 10:27
Placebo, have u weather options in the demo pliz ??

pepper63
11 September 08, 10:28
I got it. loading this baby up now.

wan_d7
11 September 08, 10:28
every post separated by a few minutes here, and everyone is currently online. i can't wait anymore!

cowden_harley
11 September 08, 10:29
woooooaaahhh enough questions just now. Placebo is a man of great knwowledge of what were after I am sure he will give a comprehensive roundup as will others, lets not have pages of just questions to read through

vondave
11 September 08, 10:31
im messing bout in the arena and free kicks feel alot different. weightier

airjoca
11 September 08, 10:32
Done. I'm like a little kid on Christmas morning... :D

hitmanuk
11 September 08, 10:32
just played one game of the demo..awsome...fast, fluid,responsive and smooth..I love the collision system and the foul animations are superb when you hack someone down from behind..I scored one goal in my first match with a sliding shot which looks like a new feature..looked very nice...One of the big things for me is the user controlled camera so you can set your own zoom and height dont think this was in the last version ( didnt like 08 ) Excellent so far everything PES should be (Im a converted PES fan boy since Euro 08 ) ...Cant wait for full releaase now :O)

evacuate
11 September 08, 10:33
Can anyone confirm that you need an active Live Gold to download? I guess you do I think silver people have to wait an extra day or so right?

wan_d7
11 September 08, 10:34
haha. mad man.. i keep browsing thru psn. none none none!

hanakuka
11 September 08, 10:37
haha. mad man.. i keep browsing thru psn. none none none!

I Know it's torture:TWIST:

pepper63
11 September 08, 10:39
in the arena you can actually see bits of dirt fly when keeper saves.

Scorpio
11 September 08, 10:41
Shut up! I mean tell us more!! :D

Placebo
11 September 08, 10:42
Wow I like it, really impressive, first match 0-0, Chelsea won on penalties, Ballack straight red for off the ball clash!

hitmanuk
11 September 08, 10:43
yes you need a gold account...just played one more game...the runs your team mates make are amazing..and when two players challenge for a high ball and they collide and fall over looks really good too...im loving this

Placebo
11 September 08, 10:43
I grabbed a couple of vids with my PDA, seeing if they worked now :)

vondave
11 September 08, 10:44
weird.

playing milan vs marseille. I clattered ben arfa with nesta. Ref sends off Kaka then books Nesta. It clipped to a cutscene of Kaka arguing with the ref first.

weird if dissent is in especially as i didnt want Kaka sent off!

wan_d7
11 September 08, 10:44
how bout the frame drops? is it there again? man i type nervously until typo many times

*** Nomis1 ***
11 September 08, 10:45
Flippin ACE. First game finished 0-0 against Marseille who went on to win on penalties. Some of the animation is absolutely superb. AND THE CPU FOUL YOU!!!!. Anyway, im off again.

DagsJT
11 September 08, 10:46
Keep the impressions coming! :DD

cowden_harley
11 September 08, 10:46
Off the ball clash???? like an elbow or a push?

winston
11 September 08, 10:46
How are the AI. Pixel perfect passing all the time?

vondave
11 September 08, 10:46
now nesta gets second yellow. if anyone manages two players sent off i salute you.

great net bulge btw

Placebo
11 September 08, 10:47
Off the ball clash???? like an elbow or a push?

I mistimed a tackle so badly I hit the wrong player, got straight red, I have a video of it, gimme a few mins :)

drekkard
11 September 08, 10:47
weird.

playing milan vs marseille. I clattered ben arfa with nesta. Ref sends off Kaka then books Nesta. It clipped to a cutscene of Kaka arguing with the ref first.

weird if dissent is in especially as i didnt want Kaka sent off!

It could be because of a previous foul? That would be good because the ref has "memory" and accumulates cards. The bad side of the coin is that a red card must be shown instantly, never letting play go on.

Or it was simply that kaka was there on the play and the collision system failed?

airjoca
11 September 08, 10:48
I played my first game. Sex!

evacuate
11 September 08, 10:50
Sounds good that Placebos first impression is good. He's the kind of guy that would rip it another asshole if it was bad. Hopefully the impression is the same after a couple of hours with it.

vondave
11 September 08, 10:50
i watched the replay Kaka was 15 yards away from play. must of been from an attempted hack earlier.

cool though, as the ref can issue simultaneous cards when play is stopped

drekkard
11 September 08, 10:51
By the way, is there a PSN Australia zone? Could the demo be released there? Keep up the work, 360 users!

juju123
11 September 08, 10:51
Wheather options ??

wan_d7
11 September 08, 10:51
man, u just keep making me heartache... :-$

RockyJJP
11 September 08, 10:52
The 2x2 minutes is a dissapointment, but i guess it could have been worse like a one half only as in Fifa 08. Also at least the game goes to a shootout. my DL is at 20%, keep the impressions comming guys P.S vids please!

evacuate
11 September 08, 10:54
how bout the frame drops? is it there again? man i type nervously until typo many times

If you mean frame drops in replays they might still be in because in NHL 09 it's the same as FIFA 08 where the gameplay is 60 fps but replays is like 20.

But someone should be able to confirm this now with the demo out.

pepper63
11 September 08, 10:55
Peno's are much better.

hanakuka
11 September 08, 10:56
SONY WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO MEEEE!!!!!!!!!

Beattie
11 September 08, 10:56
Loading up now :)

pepper63
11 September 08, 10:57
I had terry and lampard sent off.